LG 27EA83

For what it's worth, I contacted Newegg.com about the 27ea83, regarding the updated firmware, this was their response as to whether their stock has the new firmware (1.25) or not...



...not very helpful at all.

I don't think anyone who has bought a retail unit can confirm or not if it has the new firmware. We don't even know if it's on production units... It might have just been special review units. A unit from retail needs a proper review, ideally from the same 2 sites that got to review the 'special versions'.

I've already moved on, got a U2713HM for $550 shipped. ~1/2 the price, and it can last me a few years until OLED is cheap :)
 
Um guys biggest issue here isn't knowing the firmware version. It is the fucking backlight bleed which seems to exist in every AH IPS panel. Had mine replaced both 27 and 29. Would you keep one with firm. 1.25 but with massive amount of bleed?
 
Um guys biggest issue here isn't knowing the firmware version. It is the fucking backlight bleed which seems to exist in every AH IPS panel. Had mine replaced both 27 and 29. Would you keep one with firm. 1.25 but with massive amount of bleed?


With all LED backlighting there is a good chance of backlight bleed. TV's monitors, etc. The bigger the screen the more susceptible.

My U2713HM has a little backlight bleed in lower left corner, but for $550 I can live with it. For 2x that price I'd be kinda pissed. The firmware BS is what kept me from picking up a 27EA83... backlight bleed will always be a lottery.
 
...for $550 I can live with it. For 2x that price I'd be kinda pissed.
The sickening thing is you can go on some professional video creation forums and read about the pro kit that costs anything from $5000-$50000 or more, and those guys are also complaining about bleed and non-uniformity of panels. How pissed would you be if you spend five figures on a monitor only to find it's just as uneven as a $1000 graphics monitor!

Is the 27EA83 an 8bit panel? as opposed to 6bit+FRC. It's more expensive than the U2713H, let alone the U2713HM. I was keeping one eye on the LGs primarily because there is an srgb version on some of the websites, it is the same price as the wide gamut and I thought it might be worth a shot if the quality is a step up from the mainstream displays, but I have two reservations:

i) I can't believe I or anyone else is taking LG into consideration, they've come a long way since they were called Lucky Goldstar and the products were just sold under the name Goldstar, but that said LG still feels like rolling the dice more than other brands.

ii) I baulk at even moderately expensive monitors, I had decided I wouldn't buy anything 'good' until there were genuine 120Hz or 4K displays available, but I started thinking that 3-4 years ago!
 
The sickening thing is you can go on some professional video creation forums and read about the pro kit that costs anything from $5000-$50000 or more, and those guys are also complaining about bleed and non-uniformity of panels. How pissed would you be if you spend five figures on a monitor only to find it's just as uneven as a $1000 graphics monitor!

Is the 27EA83 an 8bit panel? as opposed to 6bit+FRC. It's more expensive than the U2713H, let alone the U2713HM. I was keeping one eye on the LGs primarily because there is an srgb version on some of the websites, it is the same price as the wide gamut and I thought it might be worth a shot if the quality is a step up from the mainstream displays, but I have two reservations:

i) I can't believe I or anyone else is taking LG into consideration, they've come a long way since they were called Lucky Goldstar and the products were just sold under the name Goldstar, but that said LG still feels like rolling the dice more than other brands.

ii) I baulk at even moderately expensive monitors, I had decided I wouldn't buy anything 'good' until there were genuine 120Hz or 4K displays available, but I started thinking that 3-4 years ago!



I'm pretty sure the U2713H and the 27EA83 use the same LG panels. And they are 8-bit w/ FRC.
 
Backlight Flicker 27EA83 next to S27B970D (right).

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Um guys biggest issue here isn't knowing the firmware version. It is the fucking backlight bleed which seems to exist in every AH IPS panel. Had mine replaced both 27 and 29. Would you keep one with firm. 1.25 but with massive amount of bleed?

Mine has zero backlight bleed. First unit had some in the upper right corner but most people would have been fine with it but I wasn't considering the price paid. This one is fortunately BL bleed free + no dead pixels. I'm very pleased with it. And yeah, Lucky Goldstar has come a long long way from where they used to be. Back in the day Goldstar was known as junk but these days LG is one of the top panel suppliers in the world. Kinda like how Toyota and Honda started off as cheap junk and are now ranked at the top.
 
No i'm not referring to the post above mine. But after personal experience plus every other comment in here (Forum) i'm certain that getting a bleedless IPS panel is a lottery jackpot
 
Looking forward to get this one but i will wait for proper reviews.

From what i have seen Viewsonic looks better and those oversaturated colors in LG makes the picture a bit wierd or smth like that, but then again i want those extra colors in RGB.

In terms of natural crystal clear colors, which one is better in your opinion. If both have 1.07 billion colors then why everyone talks about oversaturated colors only on LG?
 
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Looking forward to get this one but i will wait for proper reviews.

From what i have seen Viewsonic looks better and those oversaturated colors in LG makes the picture a bit wierd or smth like that, but then again i want those extra colors in RGB.

In terms of natural crystal clear colors, which one is better in your opinion. If both have 1.07 billion colors then why everyone talks about oversaturated colors only on LG?

27EA83 comes factory pre-calibrated from LG themselves. Maybe 1.07 billion colors is supposed to look "oversaturated" ?
 
So you are saying the R version should be a better choice for accurate and non-oversaturated colors?
From the 1st post it loks like R version doesnt have PMW flicker which.

Since i am deciding between Viewsonic VP2770 and LG i have qustion. Viewsonic has 1.07 billion colors, atleast from specs. I remember somebody said it isnt wide gammut.
 
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Can anybody tell me the difference between the the two models:

27EA83-B

27EA83-D

They seem identical to me.
 
I was strugling with thjat myself, someone said that -D is japanese version for 27EA83 and 27EA83R so = 27EA83R-D and 27EA83-D. I dont know about -B. I have seen even V on amazon. Is PMW flicker noticable hile using monitor? Not sure if worth paying extra for 27EA83-D version if RGB is so oversaturated.
 
There isn't any point in buying a wide gamut monitor to use the sRGB mode since normal sRGB monitors pretty much are always better and the LG 27EA83 likely has locked color settings when using the sRGB mode.

Don't forget that Playerwares measured 37ms for input lag (alsmost 4x more than the VP2770 and double most other 1440p monitors) on the 27EA83 and the "new firmware," versions don't actually exist
 
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It would be best to actually experience this monitor before passing any judgement. LG 27EA83 is the pinnacle of IPS technology. Own it love it.
 
Anyone know details about this monitors sRGB mode? does it restrict color controls or brightness controls or anything like that?

I know their is an sRGB version of this monitor, but it doesn't seem to be available in the US.
 
The LG 27EA83 is wide gamut=over saturated and inaccurate colors when viewing sRGB content. Examples from here: http://diy.pconline.com.cn/display/reviews/1212/3133321_all.html

NCX, that is only true when either the sRGB image is incorrectly tagged, or is untagged and wrongly assigned monitor color space by a badly-written program (as some bad browsers used to).

The examples posted in that Japanese review are very obviously mis-interpreted by some bad (read: outdated) software. That is a classic example of one of the headaches of using a wide-gamut monitor when your end-to-end display pipeline is not set up correctly, as was almost guaranteed to be the case a few years ago.

Modern OSs, browsers, and to some degree programs are all color-aware. Up-to-date browsers either correctly interpret color profiles embedded in the sRGB content, or if a profile is missing, make the fair assumption that it probably is SUPPOSED to be sRGB (and not monitor space, which is what leads to the hypersaturation).

When the color profile is correctly interpreted, sRGB content will, in theory, display exactly the same on a wide-gamut monitor as it does on a standard-gamut monitor (with respect to color space; obviously, if they are both 8-bit monitors, the interpreted sRGB content will display using fewer colors than on a native sRGB display, causing potential banding).

In practice, there may be very slight color shifts depending on the accuracy of your monitor's calibration, but that is not what we are talking about here.

Now, I am totally in agreement with you that 95%+ of all users should not buy a wide-gamut 8-bit monitor. Wide gamut is *only* useful if you intend to output to devices with wider color spaces than sRGB – for instance, certain photo printers. Otherwise, you are never receiving wide gamut content from other people (nobody posts Adobe RGB photos to the web, for instance); photos you take on your DSLR may look amazing *if* they happen to have saturated colors outside of sRGB, but you can only see them on your own monitor (you cannot practically share them unless you print them); etc. In the meantime, the actual content generated by web, video, games, etc. is not wide-gamut, so is being displayed by a subset of your 8-bit color depth. A standard sRGB monitor will display that content with greater fidelity and color resolution (bit depth), since it uses its full gamut instead of a subset.

A theoretical "best-of-both-worlds" approach is a wide-gamut 10-bit monitor (either 8-bit + FRC, or true 10-bit, as long as it has a 14-bit hardware LUT). Then even when displaying sRGB content mapped into the monitor's color space, you don't get banding because of the higher bit-depth (even if you don't use an 10-bit-capable video card, the internal LUT helps).

However, even in this theoretically ideal case, reality is you often run into issues with incorrectly tagged images, untagged images that are then mangled by poor browser / plugin / software color interpretation, etc.

So yeah... a wide gamut monitor is not *supposed* to hyper-saturate sRGB content, and in many cases *won't* do so, but unfortunately the systems are still not all perfected in this sense and you do get occasional broken interpretation chains depending on your software.
 
Any LG27EA83 R owners to chime in? Any notice any crosshatching or PWM? Looking to maybe return my 2713hm for it..
 
There are also two versions of the 27EA83D with different firmware:

One with ridiculous input lag (38ms measured with the SMT Tool by overclock.ru and playerwares)

and a negligible lag version with new firmware (tested by PRAD & playerwares)

Insultingly low 120hz LED PWM Dimming Frequency

Both versions sRGB and Adobe RGB modes have mediocre black levels (<700:1 contrast). Overclock.ru & PRAD sRGB & Adobe RGB Measurements

Haven't seen any mention of cross-hatching which is a plus.

There is also the wide gamut 27EA83V...perhaps LG decided to release the lower lag version under a different name?

2 versions of the standard gamut version (LG 27EA83R-D) likely exist and it probably has the same low PWM frequency many of their new IPS panels do.
 
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My LG 27EA83-D does not have PWM at all. I'm posting because I'm somewhat annoyed that I nearly didn't buy this display due to all the outdated reports of its PWM use.

I don't know how good this screen is for professional calibrated color use, who knows perhaps it actually sucks for that (despite that being the design goal). But if you just want a casual screen that looks great, consider actually having a look at the LG 27EA83-D in a shop, if you can.

I ended up buying this despite all reports of PWM due to the occasional review by people who have actually compared the picture directly to one of the alternatives. Examples:

I have the 27EA83-D (10 bit well really 8-bit + FRC) and its a fantastic panel. I bought it the day I saw it at Fry's, that's how much I liked it. I compared it directly with Dell U2711 and U2713H and neither could hold a candle to it. (source)

I had a Samsung S27B970D before. I returned the samsung within 2weeks due to deadpixel, and got this LG instead b/c they had no more samsungs in stock. compared to the samsung, though the exterior isn't nearly as elegant, but I find the display much better and more verstile. I think this LG is a better buy than the S27B970D.(source)

With that out of the way, I also have a Viewsonic VP2770 LED display (also 1440p and 27") that is a competitor but is not wide gamut. With both displays side-by-side, the LG is without a doubt superior in nearly every way. (source)

Don't skip this display just because those who have never had one say it's bad, or because a 1.5 year old review says it has PWM or poor color accuracy. Do note that the sRGB preset is rather dim and poor contrast ratio; I ended up selecting "custom" and about a day later I've tweaked it to my liking. Looks really great now.
 
romkyns - I too have recently bought the LG 27ea83-d and find that it is a rather good display although like yourself I find it too dim in the sRGB mode. (I calibrated it with a Spyder4 Pro and the True Color Pro software, and this does create a nice bright sRGB based calibration but the monitor does not allow me use this mode and also adjust the brightness when I need to!). I have tried to set the 'Custom' values but just cannot get them right! Would you be kind enough to share the values that you have it currently set to. I know these settings are subjective and down to personal preference but it would be good as a place to start. Thanks.

Edit: I need to add that I don't need this display for color critical work. I do a lot of software development and I need clear, crisp text rendering and when I compared this to some other similar WQHD displays, I found that the LG's text rendering was palpably better (despite all the other screens having the same pixel pitch) - less fuzzy is the best way I can describe it. I am keen to try the Eizo EV2736W - although it has the PLS screen. I recently tried the Philips 272P4 that also had a PLS screen but despite it being generally nice and bright, with good colors (and a little less IPS glow compared to the LG), it's text rendering was visibly more 'fuzzy' than the LG. I should have looked at the pixel structure with a magnifying glass whilst I had it and compared it to the LG. I would welcome any thoughts on this.
 
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LG's new semi-glossy coating is marginally lighter than the semi-glossy coating 1440p Samsung PLS use, but also more reflective. The BenQ BL2710PT's coating is just as light as LG's and the colors and black levels are way better vs. the 27EA83D's sRGB mode which is worse than most 120$ IPS panels. The EV2736W uses a special, glow free PLS panel.
 
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