Windows Blue Update Leaks Out

wonderfield said:
I believe Windows 8 actually supports 281.5 trillion colors.
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But I can only choose something like 16 to use on my taskbar.

Well, come to think of it, Win8 has a nostalgic value. It brings fond memories of Windows 3.1 days, when I was a kid messing with my mom's work computer and, after breaking it one time, my dad gave me my own computer! That was awesome. But it's not 1993 anymore, it's freakin' 2013 and I don't want ugly squares and full screen (FORCED) "apps", and almost no customization.

The weird thing is that previous Windows versions HAD IT ALL! They could just leave it alone and everything would be fine for everybody. But they're forcing an interface, and it sucks. If I were to put a Tablet OS on my PC, Android would be it. At least it's done as a whole and gets better with time, not worse.
 
heatlesssun said:
But those millions and millions of PCs have already been sold. I'm talking about future sales and not many people are painting a pretty picture of that subject.
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Your talking pure speculation and gloom...what we have now is going to be around for years...also, even if pc shipments are slowing down they will still sell millions upon millions in the next few years. I don't get your logic at all?
 
heatlesssun said:
But those millions and millions of PCs have already been sold. I'm talking about future sales and not many people are painting a pretty picture of that subject.
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Those haven't been going well either. In fact, they've been going backwards at a faster pace with Win8 doing nothing about it. Granted, they couldn't have turned that tide even with a great OS being released, but considering the unimpressive welcome Win8 has been it's done nothing to slow that trend either.

Win8's success or failure has to be judged by the sale of convertibles and tablets, and in that sense it's been a clear disappointment. The tablets that have been selling well are the ones with lower margins (Surface Pro), with consumers still choosing legacy compatibility over Metro.
 
heatlesssun said:
But those millions and millions of PCs have already been sold. I'm talking about future sales and not many people are painting a pretty picture of that subject.
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Do you have any numbers on how many of the new Win 8 PC' have been sold but were imminently "upgraded" to Win7??? Maybe that's MS's new strategy: Sell good PC's with crappy, unwanted OS, and then charge another licence fee for what people really need/want (Win7)...:cool:
 
Thanks to Blue leaks, by the time Blue is out we will have working Start8 again. Even if we don't its not that big a deal.
 
Especially those doubters about the startmenu. Digital Life also agrees with me here

http://forums.mydigitallife.info/th...-leaked/page16?p=734783&viewfull=1#post734783

Remember, this is a goddamn beta here and a leaked one at that. While Classic Shell is on 3.6.5, the best version that they're able to get working was 3.5.0. So it suggests to me that Microsoft's development team moved files around instead of stripping out as people are claiming.
 
About the beta point, lots of people thought that Windows 8 was gonna come with the start menu naturally or with an option and that it wasn't there just because "it was a beta".

What really happened was that they even deleted the basic registry keys for it, but still third parties were able to add it back.

So yeah, i will wait, but i don't trust them to actually be trying to just move files around and not block the chances to bring that functionality back as they already tried in the past.
 
First off, to close apps: ALT + F4. No one else figured that out? :p If there's a better way, I haven't found it.

I've been using Win8 for a few weeks now, but only on a touch screen laptop I bought. At first I didn't see what the big deal was, it seems to be OK. However, I'm beginning to understand the complaints. Um, why can't I just open Skype in my desktop environment without being taken out of the desktop to a fullscreen app? Not that it isn't easy enough to get back to it, but it's unnecessary for someone on a desktop/laptop. Why does it work that way? Can they fix that? Argh, stop bringing up the app window thing on the left hand side of the screen when I try to move the cursor to the "Back" button in Chrome! Who thought that was a good place for that? Seriously. Someone suggested going to MS's forums. I may just do that, if my complaint is different from any of the other folks complaining. I fear my complaints will fall on deaf ears since MS seems to know best. I think they're going to put their fingers in their ears and just tell us to get used to it. Not this time guys.

I don't really understand what Microsoft was trying to accomplish with Win8. I mean, I get that they wanted one OS to put on both tablets and desktops/laptops. But, I don't feel it's been executed very well. It's not going on my primary PC or HTPC anytime soon, I can tell you that. "Well, it works fine if you have more than one monitor since you can have an app open on one screen an Metro in the other". Yeah, I have my main PC connected to my 61" DLP tv. I'm not buying another one. It sounds like they may be helping the app situation some with this update?
 
damicatz said:
Wow, four simultaneous applications. That puts my 486 with MS-DOS 6 to shame!
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Windows 7 was built around the premise that less than 10% of users used more than 7 applications/ 10 windows at a time. They hid the ability to launch multiple-instances of applications and put the focus of launching applications from the taskbar where it was hidden that you could launch multiple instances without knowing the secret(s).

Metrics measured from this showed users were multi-tasking less. Windows 8 was built around "fake" multi-tasking (technical) 2 Metro apps. Apparently Microsoft realized their mistake and will now allow "fake" multi-tasking of several more "Metro Apps".

They probably found that too many multiple monitor users were going to the desktop because Metro was completely not designed for this scenario. But that's Legacy and that's bad.
 
Fix Me said:
First off, to close apps: ALT + F4. No one else figured that out? :p If there's a better way, I haven't found it.
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Metro actually requires you RTFM. There is a way to close apps where you drag the app somewhere (i think to the top). The last time I was aware this "fake" closes it however due to complaints about the "fake closing" they may have fixed this so it actually closes it.
 
it makes me sad to see the death of windows.

simple tasks are so fucking difficult in windows 8, for instance:
i was making a pdf (so i could quality print it at office depot) from a word document of two photoshop graphics and 20 or so images that were batch one pixel cropped from irfanview of png ~screenshots of pie chart graphics made in excel 2010 from formulas in open office math based off of information and some photoshop tutorials from about 20 tabs in opera and notepad.

would be nice if excel could save their pie charts into a pdf at high quality without skewing font sizes, dpi, relative layout through the shitty xps document printer, when no printing is needed.

yeah, so point being, windows 8 defenders probably use their computer for facebook, youtube, and doubleyou doubleyou doubleyou dot cute cats dot com
 
Ocean said:
yeah, so point being, windows 8 defenders probably use their computer for facebook, youtube, and doubleyou doubleyou doubleyou dot cute cats dot com
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You can save Excel documents to PDF, not sure what is causing you issues here. And I don't see how this task would be any different in Windows 8 from Windows 7. I run multiple instances of Office programs all of the time across the two monitors of my main Windows 8 workstation.
 
heatlesssun said:
Have you even bothered to download this leak and try it out? All I've said about this leak is what I've observed and indeed easily verifiable by others. From what I have observed by actually using this link instead of blind criticism:
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Are you suggesting that I download illegal Microsoft software?

wgm3446 said:
Classic shell is a decent application that is patched very quickly and a good enough forum support base. If it comes down to it, I can live a day or two without having the icon until a new patch is released. I've suggested it to co-workers and have been very happy since it was installed months ago. I haven't heard from them about any issues.

Again, it's all subjective as it's different for other people. I believe it's a pretty good architecture that it's built on with performance improvements. It's the UI I'm not a fan of, but if that can be circumvented with a small fix, then use it.
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This should not be tolerated, however. You should not constantly have to worry about having your interface screwed up because Microsoft decided to change code yet again.

bigdogchris said:
According to the MSFN, Blue completely rips out all remaining Start Menu code so that Start is Back and Start8 no longer work.
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Microsoft's arrogance knows no bounds. This is why proprietary operating systems are dangerous.

Fort_Major said:
Windows 7 was built around the premise that less than 10% of users used more than 7 applications/ 10 windows at a time. They hid the ability to launch multiple-instances of applications and put the focus of launching applications from the taskbar where it was hidden that you could launch multiple instances without knowing the secret(s).

Metrics measured from this showed users were multi-tasking less. Windows 8 was built around "fake" multi-tasking (technical) 2 Metro apps. Apparently Microsoft realized their mistake and will now allow "fake" multi-tasking of several more "Metro Apps".

They probably found that too many multiple monitor users were going to the desktop because Metro was completely not designed for this scenario. But that's Legacy and that's bad.
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My own metrics say otherwise. We don't allow any computers at our company to phone home to Microsoft with these "metrics" and I suspect most other companies are the same. I don't need Microsoft keeping track of what programs people are running on our computers.
 
heatlesssun said:
You can save Excel documents to PDF, not sure what is causing you issues here. And I don't see how this task would be any different in Windows 8 from Windows 7. I run multiple instances of Office programs all of the time across the two monitors of my main Windows 8 workstation.
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Maybe the user is using a 3rd party PDF printer.
 
Proprietary operating systems are dangerous because new versions occasionally remove legacy functionality?
 
Elios said:
7 is light years better then XP
64bit support is solid and i have yet to run in to any 32bit aps that have an issue with 7 64bit
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If you were programming what I was programming, you'd be quite upset at Windows 7 for making it impossible to do certain low-level things.

I think my needs may differ from yours. I'll stick with XP for now :)
 
damicatz said:
Microsoft's arrogance knows no bounds. This is why proprietary operating systems are dangerous.
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They never removed it. They moved a file that was actually important. Start Menu is still there. The developers of those softwares need to fix it so that it works for the beta. However the chances of developing software for beta are very low.
 
Been removing windows 8 from a lot of new computers and reinstalling 7 on them. People don't like windows 8 plain and simple. Microsoft is digging their own grave. The customer is always right. Give the customer what they want.
 
heatlesssun said:
You can save Excel documents to PDF, not sure what is causing you issues here.
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you can ~save-to-pdf spreadsheets with numbers, but not other things like graphs and piecharts, because excel during this "save" instead prints to the "Microsoft XPS Document Printer" which saves the file to a pdf (and butchers the fuck out of things)
(try excel saving to pdf with no printers enabled, just to get an idea)

this is a bug involving excel, excel graphics, and saving to pdf. with no intended actual printing.

i was ultimately able to do a bizarre work around in which i disabled the print spooler, opened the document, started the print spooler, and then printed the document to a virtual pdf printer.

you could technically do all those things i did in windows 8, just not from the metro interface that defines windows 8.
 
Conker said:
Been removing windows 8 from a lot of new computers and reinstalling 7 on them. People don't like windows 8 plain and simple. Microsoft is digging their own grave. The customer is always right. Give the customer what they want.
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Agreed. I havent really hassled with that for friends and family though. I've been installing classic shell mostly. I disable all w8 functions. It adds a fully functional start menu, disables the corners, and boots straight to desktop. Their response..."Oh, its just like windows 7" lol. I know everyone hates it but Ive made quite a few people happy in 2 minutes or less. (Wait, what??)

:D
 
Ocean said:
you can ~save-to-pdf spreadsheets with numbers, but not other things like graphs and piecharts, because excel during this "save" instead prints to the "Microsoft XPS Document Printer" which saves the file to a pdf (and butchers the fuck out of things)
(try excel saving to pdf with no printers enabled, just to get an idea)
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I just tried this in Excel 2010 and when I saved to PDF the charts were all there.
 
siliconnerd said:
Oh wow, 4 windows at once. Now Mcrosoft is reimplementing features found in Windows 1.0! Maybe the next version of Windows will add support for Windows 2.0's messy windows design and Apple will sue them again.
http://i.imgur.com/kcfkIMI.png[/IMp][/QUOTE]

Maybe we should hand them a couple copies of Amiga workbench, and see what else they can bring back from the dead? :D
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Aratech said:
Agreed. I havent really hassled with that for friends and family though. I've been installing classic shell mostly. I disable all w8 functions. It adds a fully functional start menu, disables the corners, and boots straight to desktop. Their response..."Oh, its just like windows 7" lol. I know everyone hates it but Ive made quite a few people happy in 2 minutes or less. (Wait, what??)

:D
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It's worked for me. Only a couple people still demanded I put Win7 on after installing Classic Shell, and they were the power user types. The last few laptops we've bought have gone straight to Classic Shell.
 
cdr_74_premium said:
But I can only choose something like 16 to use on my taskbar.

Well, come to think of it, Win8 has a nostalgic value. It brings fond memories of Windows 3.1 days...
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MASSIVE F'N LIES!!! :D

On Windows 3.1 I was able to modify every color of every window component. I changed the window title bar to neon green with red text while having the background/deselected window with neon blue, just to piss off family members that couldn't figure out how to change it back.

Can't do that with 8 at all. Sooo... Metro is still pre-Windows in the customization/personalization department. ;)

That said, I've not had issues with 8 on my laptop since installing Start8. The only actual incompatibility I've run into was trying to play Just Cause 2. Since I boot to desktop and I completely ignore the Win8 "improvements," I get along fine with it. I do find the UI for wi-fi connections (I change wi-fi connections often) a little annoying and lacking in options. However, that's the extent of the new UI I have to deal with during normal use.

That doesn't excuse the principle of removing the options and dumbing-down the user experience in order to homogenize the user-base ala iOS.

Prior to using Start8 is an entirely different story. Metro simply doesn't work in a mouse and keyboard desktop environment. Yes it functions, but anyone that claims it works better than 7 is lying to themselves and everyone else.

I also have a much better solution, especially for single-monitor users, than using the new Start Screen... put shortcut icons on your desktop. You can rearrange them into any order or groups that you want. You can even make folders for those seldom-used shortcuts to group them all in one place. It's easier to get to and simpler to navigate than the Start Screen AND you can set the background image to whatever you like. :rolleyes:
 
DiabloRojo said:
Can't do that with 8 at all. Sooo... Metro is still pre-Windows in the customization/personalization department. ;)
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yeah, I'd love to be able to change the basic coloring per-application... is there a way to do this, anyone know?
 
It's just easier and more effective to say No to Microsoft.

And hope that the people boycotting Windows 8 finally make up a large enough percentage where Microsoft decides to stop marginalizing them.

Remember 2% of your userbase is a tiny percent. Until you realize that your user base is 350 million users. And realize that 2% of that is 7 million people.

7 million people is a lot of people capable of pushing the world in a lot of different directions.

Companies and Individuals should just start pushing a little harder and in other directions.
 
You guys are being a bunch of Debbie downers. Look on the bright side, Microsoft has finally given Metro the same capability that Samsung phones have had for a year: the ability to put two apps side by side. Yes, you've had that ability on Windows for ages, but now you can do it in Metro too!!!

Somebody give us the preorder link :D
 
Ocean said:
you can ~save-to-pdf spreadsheets with numbers, but not other things like graphs and piecharts, because excel during this "save" instead prints to the "Microsoft XPS Document Printer" which saves the file to a pdf (and butchers the fuck out of things)
(try excel saving to pdf with no printers enabled, just to get an idea)

this is a bug involving excel, excel graphics, and saving to pdf. with no intended actual printing.

i was ultimately able to do a bizarre work around in which i disabled the print spooler, opened the document, started the print spooler, and then printed the document to a virtual pdf printer.

you could technically do all those things i did in windows 8, just not from the metro interface that defines windows 8.
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What is your context? What version of Office? on What version of Windows?
 
pelo said:
You guys are being a bunch of Debbie downers. Look on the bright side, Microsoft has finally given Metro the same capability that Samsung phones have had for a year: the ability to put two apps side by side. Yes, you've had that ability on Windows for ages, but now you can do it in Metro too!!!

Somebody give us the preorder link :D
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You technically can do that in Windows 8 too (unless they are referring to a 50/50) which you can't it's 1-2 or 2-1. I wonder if they still fake suspend the other app randomly.

And then again how many "power" users are actually going to only run in Windows Metro only. If a one-button OneNote is for you, you could possibly be better served buying an iPad.

Look Windows Metro now supports multiple monitors, Oh that's lovely. I'll put my FB feed there, my Twitter feed there and my Brainwashing News there.
 
pelo said:
You guys are being a bunch of Debbie downers. Look on the bright side, Microsoft has finally given Metro the same capability that Samsung phones have had for a year: the ability to put two apps side by side. Yes, you've had that ability on Windows for ages, but now you can do it in Metro too!!!

Somebody give us the preorder link :D
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Some of us are Debian downers. ;)
 
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