They won't leave the consumer discrete GPU market anytime soon, but I just don't see a longterm future for them
NVIDIA is doing fine in the discrete market. AMD not so much.
Your opinion seems very far from facts.
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They won't leave the consumer discrete GPU market anytime soon, but I just don't see a longterm future for them
A report released by Jon Peddie Research on Tuesday states that during the fourth quarter of 2012, only 28.8 million discrete GPUs were shipped. Compared to third quarter numbers, shipments dropped 16-percent while year-to-year (4Q12 to 4Q11) shipments dropped 9.7-percent. Nvidia suffered the most damage, feeling a 16.7-percent drop in quarter-to-quarter discrete GPU sales.
According to the report, AMD fell in second place, seeing a 13.6-percent drop in quarter-to-quarter discrete GPU sales, followed by Intel which saw only a 2.9-percent drop. Yet the overall PC market grew 2.8-percent from 3Q12 to 4Q12 even though the entire GPU market (embedded and discrete) declined 8.2-percent. The firm indicates that the decline could have been greater had Intel's improved embedded GPU not been "good enough".
"On a year-to-year basis, we found that total graphics shipments during Q4'12 dropped 11.5-percent as compared to PCs which declined by 5.6-percent overall," the firm said. "GPUs are traditionally a leading indicator of the market, since a GPU goes into every system before it is shipped and most of the PC vendors are guiding down for Q1'13."
The report stated that the "turmoil" in the PC market has caused a new forecast. The new Compound Annual Growth Rate (CAGR) for the PC graphics sector is now 3.2-percent from 2012 to 2016. Total shipments of GPUs in 2016 will be to 549 million units whereas the ten-year average change for graphics for quarter-to-quarter is now a growth of -1.3-percent.
You're looking at market share, I'm talking about total sales:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/GPU-fourth-quarter-discrete-embedded-graphics-market,21194.html
A decrease of 11.5% over a single year is a very bad outlook for both parties. You can tout market share figures all you want, the bottom line is just how many GPUs they've sold. 2013 isn't going to reverse that trend either. In fact, it's almost certainly going to be an even bigger decline
You're looking at market share, I'm talking about total sales:
You know what was problematic remembered because I owned one
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel740
It is not a joke , soon after Intel bailed again. If people at Intel had some sort of "vision" they should have pushed Micron to keep developing Rendition Verite.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendition_Verite
I know you want so badly for NVIDIA to be affected like AMD but they simply are not.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/13/nvidia-posts-q4-2013-earnings/
NVIDIA declared that its Tegra business was continuing to grow. And its GPU division continued to put up impressive numbers, raking in $3.2 billion for the year, despite a sagging PC market.
Tegra 4 is fast, but with Snapdragon being faster than most apps require phones are going to go with better battery life.
If AMD goes belly up this year that will hurt PS4 sales.
Tegra 4 is fast, but with Snapdragon being faster than most apps require phones are going to go with better battery life.
If AMD goes belly up this year that will hurt PS4 sales.
Does it matter when AMD cash reserves are crap. High crash reserves help companies run in the red for a very long time.Hate to jinx them, but honestly for everyone who comments that AMD is just going to die you seriously do not know much about what goes on. Liscencing, X86-64, X86 additions, the backing of ATIC etc, AMD simply is not going anywhere soon, no one, even Intel can afford to have them go the way of the dinosaurs, the console wins will surely help them, but I think the thing going to save their bacon(and is starting to show fruit) is their diversity, this goes the same with Nvidia.
AMD wise, consoles, servers(and infrastructure) discrete cards, core cpu business, mobile cpu business, these are all small pieces that are keeping them alive, while no one likes overall the direction they have as a whole taken over the years, I think they have made a lot of really smart moves(and some dumb ones for sure) though I think the biggest thing they did bad in is sitting on laurels to long(Athlon) and letting marketing do the talking(bulldozer-win8)
Nvidia wise, they expanded from initial just GPU and motherboard to doing everything but motherboards(more or less) they diversified early on, and it shows. I hate them as a company, cause overall are definitely anything but "honest" in the way they conduct business practices both from a consumer as well as industry standpoint, but it is hard to argue with success.
Overall, I think AMD has the best shot of being around in a couple years cause simply put, they have all the right parts of the pie, motherboards(core) cpu, gpu, apu, server side etc, they really need to work on the cpu side, however I doubt very highly this will matter in a few years time anymore as the core count is already ballooning, it will be more about the raw performance that can be done within that core and they already have a good start on this, and their gpu overall have always been great.
Intel has it all, the exception is powerfull graphics, something Nvidia and AMD both have.
Nvidia lacks a powerfull cpu side, and yes, in certain things this will matter for years to come. They all 3 have their corners of the market in different ways, and if they are smart in business as they need to be will be and already are diversifying their RnD and products that even if gpu sales fall down, other markets are picking up.
Sony liscenced to be able to make the chips, however, if all falls down, they will have to make new deals and plainly put, a lot of the tech based stuff is non transferable which is part of the reason why folks constantly get sued
Driven quite a bit by enterprise and HPC, with the consumer cards slacking. Tegra 3 did very well, but it was also priced very low and came at the right time. Their Tegra4 SoCs are already late and aren't bringing anything special which you can't get elsewhere.
And I don't "want" anything. I have zero feelings for a corporation that sees me as a bag of money; something that you can't state with the same honesty. nVidia and AMD both are going to have a very rough time in 2013. nVidia because their Tegra 4 SoCs aren't being picked up by OEMs, and AMD because they're relying far too heavily on Win8. I've held back no punches with respect to AMD, who I think might not even survive 2013.
You need to get your fanboy out of your back end, friend
TC,
That makes a lot of sense when it's all put down like that. Do you think it's possible that AMD will bring DDR5 to the desktop market skipping DDR4 entirely (as per the architecture of the PS4)?
I guess what you will say will be put to the test in due course.
Also, I've been out of the loop for a while. Could someone fill me in (a little) on the AMD APU stuff please?
Is there a desktop APU that I can buy today from AMD or is it OEM stuff only (i.e. via Dell/HP in a desktop or laptop)?
interesting article...looks like Nvidia is betting on mobile devices over next-gen consoles...
http://www.gamespot.com/features/nv...ot;AmdVsNvidia;NvidiaAndAmdPlaceBets;ReadMore
TC,
That makes a lot of sense when it's all put down like that. Do you think it's possible that AMD will bring DDR5 to the desktop market skipping DDR4 entirely (as per the architecture of the PS4)?
I guess what you will say will be put to the test in due course.
Also, I've been out of the loop for a while. Could someone fill me in (a little) on the AMD APU stuff please?
Is there a desktop APU that I can buy today from AMD or is it OEM stuff only (i.e. via Dell/HP in a desktop or laptop)?
Hopefully their console drivers work better than some of the desktop ones.
Even BEFORE reading TCs thoughts I was thinking that AMD had basically secured their future off the back of their supply agreements for the next-gen consoles.
When combined with the commentary above about a more "unified" architecture etc it all starts to fall into place.
It might just be hot-air (no offence TC) but there's a certain logic to it all. Only time will tell though.
That's the thing: consoles don't need drivers. The compiled code shoots directly to the chip through the basic OS.
TC,
That makes a lot of sense when it's all put down like that. Do you think it's possible that AMD will bring DDR5 to the desktop market skipping DDR4 entirely (as per the architecture of the PS4)?
I guess what you will say will be put to the test in due course.
Also, I've been out of the loop for a while. Could someone fill me in (a little) on the AMD APU stuff please?
Is there a desktop APU that I can buy today from AMD or is it OEM stuff only (i.e. via Dell/HP in a desktop or laptop)?
TC,
That makes a lot of sense when it's all put down like that. Do you think it's possible that AMD will bring DDR5 to the desktop market skipping DDR4 entirely (as per the architecture of the PS4)?
I guess what you will say will be put to the test in due course.
Also, I've been out of the loop for a while. Could someone fill me in (a little) on the AMD APU stuff please?
Is there a desktop APU that I can buy today from AMD or is it OEM stuff only (i.e. via Dell/HP in a desktop or laptop)?