Windows Blue Update Leaks Out

Red Falcon said:
heat's posts are not what I would call 'objective', but more 'advertising/marketing' in nature.
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Have you even bothered to download this leak and try it out? All I've said about this leak is what I've observed and indeed easily verifiable by others. From what I have observed by actually using this link instead of blind criticism:

1. Metro apps are now much more multiple monitor friendly. Up to four apps can run side by side on screen simultaneously depending on the resolution of the screen. I can run two Metro apps side by side on my x220t built in 1366x768 screen and three side by side on my 1920x1200 secondary monitor attached to the x200t.

2. Metro apps have adjustable sizes besides the one snap view. Still trying to figure this out as the snap view seems to default to 50/50 but then allow for variable sizing below that. So an Metro app can be snapped to half the screen and then been freely resized horizontally I think.

3. The Start Screen can be opened without disrupting a Metro app on a secondary monitor. Also the Start Screen persists on a secondary monitor. Activating the Start Screen and then working on a secondary monitor will not automatically close the Start Screen.

So if this advertising and marketing then so be it. It's not any worse than your advertising and marketing that doesn't include much in the way of actual use in regards to Windows 8.
 
Brent_Justice said:
Best video I've seen on Windows 8

http://youtu.be/WTYet-qf1jo
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I agree with much of what he says, but the key is what the user experience specialist said.

"Windows 8 is optimized for content consumption rather than content production and multitasking"

That pretty much hit the nail on the head.
Tablets and phones are mainly consumption devices, as are many home PC's
In the office, PC's are mainly used as production devices. (accounting, order entry, developement, etc).
Windows 8 HINDERS productive use of a PC, which is why so many people dislike it.

As much as I hate to say it, Apple has it right. Keep the desktop and table/phone OS's seperate!
 
nutzo said:
That pretty much hit the nail on the head.
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Sure, unless you're like me and have produced plenty of content on Windows 8 and the experience doesn't prove any more different than Windows 7. Content is produce in applications, not the Start Menu or Start Screen.
 
heatlesssun said:
How much do you want to bet that the average consumer when given a choice between Windows 8 and any other non-Windows OS on the desktop would pick Windows 8 by a wide margin?
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Guess it depends on what you consider the average consumer.

My niece (she's used both windows and mac systems) needed a new laptop for college. They wanted to buy a Windows laptop to save money, but after playing with Windows 8, they ended up buying a mac.
If they had been able to find a new laptop (within the specs they where looking for) with Windows 7, they would went with windows.

I've had numerous people at the office ask me how they could downgrade thier receintly bought computer to Windows 7, since they really disliked Windows 8. I tell them sorry, and if they can just return it.
 
nutzo said:
I agree with much of what he says, but the key is what the user experience specialist said.

"Windows 8 is optimized for content consumption rather than content production and multitasking"

That pretty much hit the nail on the head.
Tablets and phones are mainly consumption devices, as are many home PC's
In the office, PC's are mainly used as production devices. (accounting, order entry, developement, etc).
Windows 8 HINDERS productive use of a PC, which is why so many people dislike it.

As much as I hate to say it, Apple has it right. Keep the desktop and table/phone OS's seperate!
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Precisely

I agree, desktop pc's and tablet/phone os's should be separate.
 
I have no more hope for Microsoft when they are releasing new products, it seems every time they release a new product they remove useful features and everybody gets pissed and they don't seem to care.
 
Long time pc user. I have multiple windows xp, 7 and now 2 windows 8 pc's. After using 8 now for a few months, I really love it. Took a day or so to get used to some of the new keyboard shortcuts, but once I did, my pc usage has never been faster and more streamlined.

I actually love switching to the full screen start menu, I now dont have to click through the stupid program files folders, and other lists like the windows 7 start menu. Its much faster to get into the programs I want. I link all my important desktop programs and files/folders directly from the start screen. The trick is to use the 'windows key' all the time, for fast switching to the start screen. (the only real annoyance was going to the corners with the mouse, but once I read up on all the keyboard shortcuts its been a breeze and I don't even use the corners anymore.)

You guys with the stick up your asses about this operating system need to get off your high horses and actually use the damn thing the way it was meant to. Which is better than any OS alternative imo.
 
John Vuong said:
I have no more hope for Microsoft when they are releasing new products, it seems every time they release a new product they remove useful features and everybody gets pissed and they don't seem to care.
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Actually they tend to remove old advertising or features that are used much and even then there are often free or paid alternatives. There's little that Windows 7 does that can't be achieved in Windows 8 with 3rd party tools at no cost on the desktop. There are no 3rd party tools that begin to give Windows 7 the same capabilities as 8 on tablets.
 
I can't believe they didn't put in a 50/50 split from the beginning. That was one of my first complaints, within minutes of learning to use Windows 8.
 
Elios said:
in the long run its going to kill them as the enterprise world will not move to 8 or Blue
and just entrench 7 far worse then XP ever was
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What makes you think Windows Xp is done? That OS is still kicking ass. But something tells me that people will switch to another OS before Windows 7 ends up as XP.

Linux is evolving faster lately, and it's pretty usable as it is. But your choices aren't very good. Ubuntu is good, but frankly there's a lot more wanting from it. If Google were to create their own distro, I could see a lot of people making the switch. Problem is they wanna push Chrome OS, and it sucks.
 
plink said:
Long time pc user. I have multiple windows xp, 7 and now 2 windows 8 pc's. After using 8 now for a few months, I really love it. Took a day or so to get used to some of the new keyboard shortcuts, but once I did, my pc usage has never been faster and more streamlined.

I actually love switching to the full screen start menu, I now dont have to click through the stupid program files folders, and other lists like the windows 7 start menu. Its much faster to get into the programs I want. I link all my important desktop programs and files/folders directly from the start screen. The trick is to use the 'windows key' all the time, for fast switching to the start screen. (the only real annoyance was going to the corners with the mouse, but once I read up on all the keyboard shortcuts its been a breeze and I don't even use the corners anymore.)
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In XP & 7 you could put your key programs on the taskbar as icons. one-click and its launched. Can't get anymore streamlined than that. No screen switching and hunting down the program icon block on the 'start screen'.

You can debate hot keys vs. drilling down menus depending on whether or not you're going to commit a bunch of hotkeys to memory that the average users might use 1-3 times a year. But one click launch you can't debate.
 
jpm100 said:
In XP & 7 you could put your key programs on the taskbar as icons. one-click and its launched. Can't get anymore streamlined than that. No screen switching and hunting down the program icon block on the 'start screen'.
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You know Windows 8 can do this too, right? Windows 8 still has a taskbar that can have icons in it.
 
plink said:
I actually love switching to the full screen start menu, I now dont have to click through the stupid program files folders, and other lists like the windows 7 start menu. Its much faster to get into the programs I want. I link all my important desktop programs and files/folders directly from the start screen. The trick is to use the 'windows key' all the time, for fast switching to the start screen. (the only real annoyance was going to the corners with the mouse, but once I read up on all the keyboard shortcuts its been a breeze and I don't even use the corners anymore.)
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Wait, so you love it for doing something you could have done with the OS you had before? that's like saying "I love Windows 8 because it allows be to play Solitaire in a more annoying way (after signing in to Windows Live)". :p
 
SuperSubZero said:
You know Windows 8 can do this too, right? Windows 8 still has a taskbar that can have icons in it.
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And...

Windows 8 doesn't bring anything in terms of streamlining which is the point. And you can't stay on the desktop, you have to move away from it unless you have some 3rd part program to put the start button back (which won't be allowed where I work) and even then the functionality isn't all there. Aside from that you're forced to switch out unless you start overriding a bunch of things like the default PDF reader, etc. as well. I needed to copy some things out of some rebate forms and the full screen PDF reader was just a complete PITA. Side by side or overlapping windows was something I could do going back to all prior versions of windows and bunch of 3rd party GUIs that ran on top of DOS over 20 years ago. And they might turn that on this summer in WIndows 8. Wow.
 
CreepyUncleGoogle said:
With time between now and the actual release so there's still the potential that some aspects of the OS will be changed. As it sits, it does seem like what Microsoft would previously have provided as a service pack under their previous operating systems. Running multiple Metro apps was something that should have made it into Win8 though. Modern computers are all able to multitask so there was no excuse. That said, I haven't found many reasons to use a Metro app so until software catches up, multitasking with them isn't a big deal.
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Honestly, every once in a while I would like to run some metro apps on one monitor while running desktop apps on the other.


Seems to me they should fix the one thing people hate on: The Windows 8 disappointment comes down to simple the absence of a default start button desktop option without third party mods. Big deal, what ever.
 
ManofGod said:
Hate away folks, hate away. :D Keep doing that well I enjoy my computer just as I want it with Windows 8. :D I am sure glad I actually base what I use on my own personal experience.

I will continue to enjoy what I use well you haters whine and cry. :D Looking forward to Windows Blue and the improvements it brings with it. I have found that as the days go one, the less and less you guys thoughts about computers mean anything to me and what I use.
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It's sad to see this post failed to get the attention it so desperately desired. Allow me to fill that void by simply saying, "LOL".
 
heatlesssun said:
Sure, unless you're like me and have produced plenty of content on Windows 8 and the experience doesn't prove any more different than Windows 7. Content is produce in applications, not the Start Menu or Start Screen.
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For the love of god, can't there be ONE Win8 topic without your constant rehashing of the same and the same and the same...?! We get it! You love Win8, it's the best thing since sliced bread. The only thing more certain than Win8 bashing is your coming to the rescue. How much are they paying you, because I find it hard to believe anyone sane would be willing to spend so much time posting in every damn Win8 topic.
 
Tamlin_WSGF said:
You fucking get a keyboard that is compatible with the os you are running? :p

It can be accessed in lower left corner with the mouse. If you rightclick on it, you get the winkey+x menu.
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another example of backwards we have to use the keyboard to start? That's a decade back.
 
A lot of these complaints could be resolved by giving the option of a "Classic Theme" like every other Windows before it. I've personally used it on Windows XP and 7, yes my OS looks like Windows 95/98 around the edges, yes its very bland but it uses the least amount of system and video memory and it gives the me BASIC interface I look for. If adding this would squash a lot of the Windows 8/Blue haters out there, why not give it?
 
striker444 said:
A lot of these complaints could be resolved by giving the option of a "Classic Theme" like every other Windows before it. I've personally used it on Windows XP and 7, yes my OS looks like Windows 95/98 around the edges, yes its very bland but it uses the least amount of system and video memory and it gives the me BASIC interface I look for. If adding this would squash a lot of the Windows 8/Blue haters out there, why not give it?
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But then why would you pay for a new OS that has to be configured with a skin and adds little-to-nothing over your existing Win7 installation? You're upgrading your desktop OS because of a new style?

The improvements for Win8 and Blue are almost entirely focused around Metro and Microsoft's tablet initiative. I don't understand why people can't comprehend that Win8, and Blue, has no benefits to these people. In fact, they have to go out of their way and tweak it to make it work well on a desktop. If defaulting all typical MS applications to Metro isn't enough proof of Microsoft's direction with Win8 and its future, I don't know what is. I think it's evident that the desktop and all things legacy have taken a back seat. The applications are being defaulted to Metro, Metro APIs are being pushed forward, and even MS's own applications (and the launcher) work better with touch than they do with M&KB.
 
heatlesssun said:
The problem with this though is that the desktop market is not growing. Even Macs are getting hit now.
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There are millions upon millions upon millions of pc's out there and will be for a long long ime. Everytime somebody throws this out there I just have to laugh at the stupidity of the comment. that's not even bringing up business pc's. :rolleyes:
 
Brent_Justice said:
This has come up a million times

For me, the failure in Win8 is that its trying to be 2 things at once.

IMO, it should have been two different versions.

There should have been a Tablet version, ala, Metro, and no desktop, built for touch screen.

Then there should have been the Desktop version, ala, a full Desktop experience up front (like Win7), no Metro.

Problem solved

It's a hybrid trying to succeed at multiple things, and failing at all of them

Instead, it should have been more specific to the platform its installed on
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The problem with this is, there is no way I would have bought a tablet then. Tablets themselves were nothing but expensive toys to me before Windows 8 came out. (Not including the previous Windows tablets which I personally never liked.) Splitting the desktop and metro to two different OS's would have essentially meant that I would have wanted neither.

It is great to be able to use my tablet as a tablet when I want to. Then, when I need to use it for onsite work, connect the keyboard with Ethernet port and use the desktop for things such as a command line when needed.

The hybrid OS is working quite well and does succeed at multiple things at once. Please, it is what I have needed and wanted more or less all along, to go back to what was is to essentially make the tablet back into a toy. (Sorry, but I consider a iOS and Android tablets to be nothing but toys. Nice looking and sometimes cool but still toys.)
 
SixFootDuo said:
I love how people just default back to "the PC is no longer selling" as some sort of lame validation for Windows 8 being ok to use. ENOUGH.

Everyone's hate here for Windows 8 is not blind. It's logical and well thought out.

Even the experts dislike Windows 8.

In fact, for the people that are ok with Windows 8, I would have to say you have very little history with the PC over all - OR - you just don't care - OR - you are clearly not an enthusiast.
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Or you clearly do not have a clue and have no idea what you are talking about. (Or you just hate change.) :D
 
heatlesssun said:
Yet plenty of people are using Windows 8 on the desktop with the same desktop programs they have forever without issue. There seems to be this need by Windows 8 opponents to make fantastically broad claims about its usability on the desktop.

I understand that its different, that some have issue with the full screen Start Screen, the mixing of Metro with the desktop and so forth. After 18 months of Windows 8 use I simply can't see these radical differences on the desktop, probably because I spend the vast majority of my time in applications and not in Start Screen or Start Menu.
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and i talk to plenty of these same people you are referencing.
they hate it. in some cases so much that they went out of their way to go find a copy of win7 and install it.

while i understand the point you are trying to make, some people make use of the start menu and have found it to be way more useful than the metro ui. and those people shouldnt have to buy a 3rd party app just to shoehorn that functionality in.
 
ManofGod said:
The hybrid OS is working quite well and does succeed at multiple things at once. Please, it is what I have needed and wanted more or less all along, to go back to what was is to essentially make the tablet back into a toy. (Sorry, but I consider a iOS and Android tablets to be nothing but toys. Nice looking and sometimes cool but still toys.)
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These "toys" have been outselling PCs.

Let's face it, very few people need the power of a laptop or even a PC. They're computing needs are filled quite well by these "toys." They have more apps and are friendlier to use than your typical desktop and laptop. They're also cheaper and more portable. All of these things threaten Microsoft's cash cow, and they're now wanting in on the party.

While you may need Office, or whatever the hell else Microsoft offers on their tablets, the vast majority of the public does not. They're far better off with a larger app store than they are with MS Office. How long did it take MS to get Twitter on Metro? Yea...
 
And still no official Facebook app! I'm sure people don't use Facebook in the first place. I mean, why would they when "Socl" is so much more Microsofty.
 
ktk_ace said:
I worked at an IT fair last january.

"Im not buying it if it cant downgrade to win7"

"if you want me to use win8 , i'd rather learn mac os X"

Taiwan customers know better imho.

They know Windows 8 is shit.
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Wow, that settles it, you YELLED over the internet, it must be true. :rolleyes::D
 
My dad: "Where is Spider Solitaire?"

So I had to Google it. Did you know you have to download it from the App store now? Amazing.

Actually, the first thing he said was "What the hell is this?", followed by "Sorry son, I think I got a virus."

So his computer is back to 7 now.
 
ManofGod said:
Complete idiot bumbling through using an OS without being able to figure out the simplest of things. Right, best video, ok. :)
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That's precisely his point. You shouldn't have to "figure out" how the OS works in order to get the simplest of things done. It should be intuitive.
 
The point of modern OS's with GUI's have been to make things easier and more intuitive for the user.

Windows 8 achieves neither.

Simple as that, so yeah, keep foaming on the mouth about how awesome it is, the actual adoption rate numbers will keep showing otherwise.
 
I've no issues with windows 8, I like the simpler ui better then win7 aero, I don't miss the start menu, I don't find anything else distracting or getting in my way from actually working...

Of course, I do hope they fix any legitimate issues.
 
Youn said:
I've no issues with windows 8, I like the simpler ui better then win7 aero, I don't miss the start menu, I don't find anything else distracting or getting in my way from actually working...

Of course, I do hope they fix any legitimate issues.
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Well your thoughtful in-depth analysis has convinced me to switch. :rolleyes:
 
Youn said:
I've no issues with windows 8, I like the simpler ui better then win7 aero, I don't miss the start menu, I don't find anything else distracting or getting in my way from actually working...

Of course, I do hope they fix any legitimate issues.
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I have to agree with this because I see it the same way. Windows 8 is hardly perfect but it is good. (I did not like the developer preview but, then again, I was trying it on a 1024 x 600 screen netbook so that was why.)

I like the choices that Windows 8 offers across all the platforms I use. For me, that is the key reason I never bothered with a tablet prior to windows 8, it just would have collected dust which I did not have the money to waste on.

Now, I have a tablet, desktop and laptop all with Windows 8 and they are working well. (Windows Phone as well but it is still on 7 until August when I can get a new phone.)
 
I think I got it. Those who likes W8 must like iOS but for whatever reasons don't have a Mac. W8 basically gives them best of both worlds.
 
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