Galaxy Note II screen latency?

Poeple don't notice that cause they're used to it, and think "that's normal for a phone to have that feeling". Even worst : this latency can make you feel like there is a smoothing, as the actions follow slowly your moves... Well poeple are not gamers used to play on 2ms total input lag systems @120hz with a perfect responsiveness. Now please, stop trolling if you don't have an answer.

If we can disable Vsync, then we get at least -45 to -60ms latency. Would be great already : almost divided by 2.
 
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ultimatebyte said:
Poeple don't notice that cause they're used to it, and think "that's normal for a phone to have that feeling". Even worst : this latency can make you feel like there is a smoothing, as the actions follow slowly your moves... Well poeple are not gamers used to play on 2ms total input lag systems @120hz with a perfect responsiveness. Now please, stop trolling if you don't have an answer.

If we can disable Vsync, then we get at least -45 to -60ms latency. Would be great already : almost divided by 2.
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I think it's less about them being use to it (lag/latency/whatever you want to call it) and more about their brains not being trained to register it let alone actively look for it. Being a longtime gamer myself, I do notice it and it can be annoying when action gaming, but I tend to stay away from action based gaming on touch-screens; it just doesn't feel right in most cases (lag aside). When web browsing or texting it has no real adverse effect, I'd even be as bold to say it has no real effect on productivity over all.

This issue doesn't make the phone unusable for me though, I think you may be blowing it a bit out of proportion tbh. I haven't personally been able to input characters fast enough to make some not register, I have accidentally tried to hit two characters at once on many occasions and had one or both not register though.

I'm not really trying to defend the phone or anything here, it's just my opinion that this isn't a huge issue outside of action gaming. I wish Samsung would push out a fix myself, but don't see it being a priority since it has such a small impact on a small portion of the community to begin with. :(
 
It's not a big issue, except for gaming, +1, but the phone would feel way more comfortable and responsive anyway... I guess i'll try some tweaked kernels, even if i didn't wanna touch my note 2's firmware and be relaxed, this is a good reason for me to start tweaking again, i don't whant an iSh!t.
 
Still no input lag here. I drink lots of coffee, jerk off at least once a day(married 10 years, have to), & I cannot perceive any input lag. Dialer shows numbers as fast as I can input them, same as stock Samsung keyboard. Text shows up as fast as I type it in, even if I randomly spam letters. Running stock kernel.
Only game I play is Shadowgun DeadZone, & again, I really can't tell any lag.
Best phone I have used, better than my 4S. In fact, I used to get very noticeable input lag when inputting text on the iPhone 4S. Just as bad as the Droid Charge I replaced it with. Wasn't until the Galaxy Nexus that I thought "wow, this is a fast responsive phone"

Also, seeing as pretty much no one here has a fix for you, nor do the FEW others at XDA, ranting doesn't seem to be working to fix a supposed atrocious issue.
 
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DriZzLe said:
Still no input lag here. I drink lots of coffee, jerk off at least once a day(married 10 years, have to), & I cannot perceive any input lag.
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I find this to be quote worthy lol.


Skripka said:
And when you say "some", you mean yourself and Kurian are posting on xda... Repeating the same tired shit over there as here... And by and large being ignored by all of the note2 devs.
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You know someone is really trying to troll when their example for a "major issue" is them talking to one other person on another forum lol.
 
Try running CleanRom. It uses stock kernel, as that is rumored to give the best performance.
Scott's Roms always seem to be great performers. I tend to use his roms when available.
I also have the Note 10.1, all stock and, looky-looky, no lag to be perceived.
 
DriZzLe => You seem to misunderstand angain the difference between input lag, and the fact of being laggy.

Anyway, you think there is no input lag ? Go to your app list, put your finger on an icon, move right and left (or up and down depending of the scrolling orientation of your app list), quite fast => If at anytime you're able to see the icon that is supposed to be under your finger, you can conclude that there IS input lag.


I made a few videos two days ago, with a comparaison of SGS3 VS iphone 5, and SGS3 VS Note 2 (all stock phones)
Input lag -> SGS3 = Note 2, Iphone > pwned both, even with a 30fps video you can notice it. I'll post it on youtube, slowed down enough, so everyone can see it and get aware of/understand the problem.


On XDA i didn't know it was a guy from here, didn't watch nicknames. :eek:))
Anyway, at least, some poeple believe us, agree, and try to find solution there.
PS : As far as i know, there is no PRogers86 on XDA
 
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DriZzLe => You seem to misunderstand angain the difference between input lag, and the fact of being laggy.

Anyway, you think there is no input lag ? Go to your app list, put your finger on an icon, move right and left (or up and down depending of the scrolling orientation of your app list), quite fast => If at anytime you're able to see the icon that is supposed to be under your finger, you can conclude that there IS input lag.
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LMAO...in what universe would I ever find the need to do something so trivial and useless? If that is what you are complaining about, you really have waaaay too much time on your hands. Maybe you SHOULD drink more coffee and jerk it more often!

I have more important things to do, like drink coffee & jerk off to porn when my wife says no to sex.
 
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LMAO...in what universe would I ever find the need to do something so trivial and useless? If that is what you are complaining about, you really have waaaay too much time on your hands. Maybe you SHOULD drink more coffee and jerk it more often!

I have more important things to do, like drink coffee & jerk off to porn when my wife says no to sex.
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Kinda harsh, man.

I agree it's not really a problem because WTF are you doing on your phone that requires such low response time. I can type a phone number on my Note 2 stupid fast and it picks up every input I give it and in the order I touched it. And if it really was a big issue, you would think at least one of the reputable (key word) reviewers online out mention it about any Android phone, but they don't.

The fact is that there are people out there that are overly sensitive to input lag and this annoys them and for them, they either have to live with it on Android or go to iOS or maybe WP. For all the other advantages that Android brings, for me it's kinda dumb to drop it just because it's slightly less responsive than iOS. I've did the icon drag test Ultimatebyte mentions above on an iPhone and iPad and though response time is considerably better than Android, it still lags behind my finger, just not as much. But if response time is that high on your priority list, then I guess you'll just have to deal with iOS and all its other trade offs. Obviously for most people though, it isn't a big deal.
 
DriZzLe said:
LMAO...in what universe would I ever find the need to do something so trivial and useless? If that is what you are complaining about, you really have waaaay too much time on your hands. Maybe you SHOULD drink more coffee and jerk it more often!

I have more important things to do, like drink coffee & jerk off to porn when my wife says no to sex.
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That post made my day :D

OK, so let's talk about me if you want so ! (YES YOU WANT I SAID §!!)

<me>
I'm stuck at home giving phone calls and managing boring administrations stuff, so i got time, same when lessons take forever to bring something i don't already know (cause i'm passionated in what i study).
Don't worry, i'm under double Tea, coffee, redbull, monster, quite often to handle many 3h nights, and i jerk off far enough, even if celib right now (sex appeal powah)... :D

This is not about the app drawer, it's about everything in the phone, especially those FPS that could be really fun if not totally unplayable because of input lag. I love perfect responsiveness, i love my PC for that, and that's why i bought quality components, including mouse and screen, and that's why i hate my MacBook Pro (offered by my sound engineer school -or force purchase cause included in the price of my school-, i didn't decide to buy one for christ sake) that has about 30-50ms input lag over the screen, and 30-50ms more input lag for the touchpad, and in the end, that's why i bought a high end phone with good reviews...

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The fact is that most poeple, even phone testers, might have a laggy brain (trollface), or must be used to those latencies, as said 10x before.
 
this thread is giving me input lag........ I never realized what I thought was my super awesome Note 2 was really a dud POS, talk about letting the wind outta my sails, next thing you will tell me is my car doesn't actually get the miles per gallon on the sticker, oh hell no, I'll have to go trade it in too.
 
You must be used to it with a E8400 and a 9800GTX, your ingame framerate already gives you a noticeable input lag (33ms @ 30fps). :D
 
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Adionik said:
I wish the power button would turn the screen on quicker
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Somebody made a video about it, guess it depends if the phone is in deep idle or not. Not a big issue, but contributes to make this perfect hardware not perfect in use.
 
ultimatebyte said:
That post made my day
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Seriously though, if you are completely stock, I really do recommend unlocking and installing cleanrom. It is a very fast and lean stock touchwiz based rom that is super snappy and had all the normal touchwiz functions
 
I'll maybe try that after backing up everything.

But I hate touchwiz, i installed Nova Launcher after 10 minutes of using my phone :eek:))
I see you coming guys : no, it doesn't slow the phone : same input lag problems on a SGS3 with stock all, even stock launcher (TW).

Videos coming when i got more free time. :)
 
ultimatebyte said:
I'll maybe try that after backing up everything.

But I hate touchwiz, i installed Nova Launcher after 10 minutes of using my phone :eek:))
I see you coming guys : no, it doesn't slow the phone : same input lag problems on a SGS3 with stock all, even stock launcher (TW).

Videos coming when i got more free time. :)
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I use Nova myself. I am referring to all the proprietary s-pen apps.
 
ultimatebyte said:
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Anyway, you think there is no input lag ? Go to your app list, put your finger on an icon, move right and left (or up and down depending of the scrolling orientation of your app list), quite fast => If at anytime you're able to see the icon that is supposed to be under your finger, you can conclude that there IS input lag.
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Oh my goodness! You're right!. I never knew!!! I'm going to throw my GN2 out the window now that I know what a POS it is. How dare anyone interfere with my ability to wiggle my apps in my app drawer side to side as fast as humanly possible. This is my favorite pasttime and I predict will supplant baseball as America's favorite pasttime by the year 2018. Good work!!
 
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Oh my goodness! You're right!. I never knew!!! I'm going to throw my GN2 out the window now that I know what a POS it is. How dare anyone interfere with my ability to wiggle my apps in my app drawer side to side as fast as humanly possible. This is my favorite pasttime and I predict will supplant baseball as America's favorite pasttime by the year 2018. Good work!!
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It's not a problem in most cases, but if you enjoy playing action based games on your phone it can cause lots of rage. I'm guessing that is what the main concern was about.
 
Well, i'm now running Omega 12 ROM that has scrolling cache disabled: No difference i can see, or it's so small i can't notice compared to the huge initial amount of input lag.

I guess i'm gonna try CM10.1 tomorrow, same as my old SGS1, just to check.

Edit : Well in this one, still input lag https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5a1-wsfaFw
I'm affraid it's an unfixable problem on this phone, maybe due to capacitive detection i guess. :(
 
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http://research.nokia.com/publication/11992 Study about latency : User's performance don't fall while typing with a late feedback, but it's more pleasant if the latency is more tiny.
If i understand well, it's about the vibration feedback, not exactly screen latency.


Well, this is a french one http://www.maximejohnson.com/techno...eduire-la-latence-des-ecrans-tactiles-a-1-ms/
It says, according to microsoft, touchscreens's latencies are around 100ms right now, and for a realistic experience, it should be around 1ms.

If you still don't get it, watch this video from microsoft.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vOvQCPLkPt4

Conclusion of microsoft : Low latency makes you feel like moving a real physical object : The feeling and comfort are drasticly improved.
 
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OK, so finally a guy from XDA proved that the touchscreen is introducing 100ms latency, 100ms more than when a mouse is connected to the phone.

"A quick bit of un scientific testing. I plugged a mouse into my phone and downloaded a reaction tester game. The very best I could get with the mouse (and considering it's 12am) and the best I could do with the touch screen were about 100ms apart."

Now need to fix that.
 
Why is this thread still going on? There is nothing to be done about this. Whatever perceived lag is just how the phone operates. No custom rom or moaning, or insults, or anything is going to change the way the phone works.
Please, just stop perpetuating this.
This is such a non issue. Seriously. All this is doing is trolling for comments, most of them negative seeing as really no one has a problem except you.
 
Many poeple didn't understand what it was about at the beginning, many poeple won't ever notice this huge input lag. Just accept that for those who notice it, this is a huge issue. More than 1/10s is just too much for a natural feeling, and too much for any fast game. You're just trolling and not helping, just stop reading this topic if you can't live with it.

I won't stop posting on it till i get :

1) A solution to at least divide this horrible input lag by 2.
2) OR The scientific reason why the note 2 cannot have less input lag. And from what i see, we can at least reduce it by tweaking the capacitive touchscreen's management.
 
I WILL continue bashing every Android device till they make one as good as the iPhone, since I don't want an iPhone. There is no reason Android users must put up with 300ms of input lag which looks like it scales with the screen size going by the SGS2, SGN and SGTab.
 
KurianOfBorg said:
I WILL continue bashing every Android device till they make one as good as the iPhone, since I don't want an iPhone. There is no reason Android users must put up with 300ms of input lag which looks like it scales with the screen size going by the SGS2, SGN and SGTab.
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+1, but the most frustrating thing is that the SGS1 was at about the same lvl of input lag than the iphone 5... So WTF Samsung ?!
 
I notice lag on my friends note 2. Since he doesn't notice it it's not my place to rain on his parade. *I* wouldn't put up with it though.
 
DriZzLe said:
Why is this thread still going on? There is nothing to be done about this. Whatever perceived lag is just how the phone operates. No custom rom or moaning, or insults, or anything is going to change the way the phone works.
Please, just stop perpetuating this.
This is such a non issue. Seriously. All this is doing is trolling for comments, most of them negative seeing as really no one has a problem except you.
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Seems really silly to simply declare that "nothing" can be done about this. Not all phones have these problems, and if people don't make a stink about issues like this, Samsung is likely to repeat the problem in the future.
 
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I'm seriously thinking about changing my Note 2 for an SGS2 if i don't find a better phone without this input lag.

+1 to ocellaris : If we don't speak about it, Samsung will make no effort about it.
 
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KurianOfBorg said:
I WILL continue bashing every Android device till they make one as good as the iPhone, since I don't want an iPhone. There is no reason Android users must put up with 300ms of input lag which looks like it scales with the screen size going by the SGS2, SGN and SGTab.
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Samsung Galaxy S3
HTC EVO 4g LTE
Samsung Note 2

Each of these are very easily considered better then an Iphone. I can only assume you havent used an iphone, because if you had you would know them for the overpriced pieces of shit they are.

When in Hawaii I loved watching an in-law talk about how great apple is and that people should just buy iphones because everything else is a pale copy. The hilarious part was when watching him try to use Siri multiple times a day and having it come back with a "I dont understand" or "please say that again" response damn near every time.
 
darkstarcow said:
Samsung Galaxy S3
HTC EVO 4g LTE
Samsung Note 2

Each of these are very easily considered better then an Iphone. I can only assume you havent used an iphone, because if you had you would know them for the overpriced pieces of shit they are.

When in Hawaii I loved watching an in-law talk about how great apple is and that people should just buy iphones because everything else is a pale copy. The hilarious part was when watching him try to use Siri multiple times a day and having it come back with a "I dont understand" or "please say that again" response damn near every time.
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Someone hasn't read this at times comical thread. ;)
 
KurianOfBorg said:
I WILL continue bashing every Android device till they make one as good as the iPhone, since I don't want an iPhone. There is no reason Android users must put up with 300ms of input lag which looks like it scales with the screen size going by the SGS2, SGN and SGTab.
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darkstarcow said:
Samsung Galaxy S3
HTC EVO 4g LTE
Samsung Note 2

Each of these are very easily considered better then an Iphone. I can only assume you havent used an iphone, because if you had you would know them for the overpriced pieces of shit they are..
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He's taking about input lag. If the iPhone is a piece of shit, then the SN2 is an even bigger piece of shit in this regard.
 
ultimatebyte said:
I'm seriously thinking about changing my Note 2 for an SGS2 if i don't find a better phone without this input lag.

+1 to ocellaris : If we don't speak about it, Samsung will make no effort about it.
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Yes I'm sure Samsung is reading this very thread right now, or perhaps Kyle will give his buddy Oh-Hyun Kwon a call and get this remedied right away.

It is one thing to let people know about it is another to use the proper channels to get the ball rolling. Somehow I don't think the [H] is the proper channel...just saying.
 
Well, this topic on HF is referenced on google, that's how i found it, and it helped me understanding things. So it's useful. And almost : it made me to do this one
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2175996

And Samsung engineers do read XDA.

Poeple have to be better informed about this unfamiliar characteristic of devices, and if poeple want better input lags, then maybe Samsung will finally work on it.
Already 1,607 views, and except one stupid troll, some poeple confirming that they're hating this input lag, that's a good start.
 
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