NCASE M1: a crowdfunded Mini-ITX case (updates in first post)

crazjayz said:
You can't just say, "OH THEY'RE JUST BETTER!" Please provide some real talking points.

Moreover, when you say that Corsair has made better things than Lian Li, are you comparing apple to apples, or are you comparing a LL $60 case to Corsair $300 case?
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yes i am and im willing to pay that 240 bucks more for a better case

and i think the case in question here is worth 200 to 250 if it has the right finish that imo Corsair could give it
the OP has great idea and i think hes being low balled at 160 when he could get more for it
 
Elios said:
yes i am and im willing to pay that 240 bucks more for a better case

and i think the case in question here is worth 200 to 250 if it has the right finish that imo Corsair could give it
the OP has great idea and i think hes being low balled at 160 when he could get more for it
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OP is setting the price, so Necere and W360 aren't really getting "lowballed" as you put it. As of right now, they have their price target. If they can deliver it at said target, then this case will be of great value. Otherwise, they'll raise their target price, and then you can pay $200.

I've already said that a well made case (something comparable to my LL V1000) like this one, I would pay up to $300 for. The sheer number of features this case has, and the attention to detail is astounding. Moreover, I would willing pay that amount knowing it came from a couple of gents from our own [H]forums.

In the end, while they can charge anything they want (Murderbox 2s go for $1200), I'm exciting for them to charge a fair price, and even less than a fair price, in the name of giving this case the label of the best value.

Back to the original point, you haven't said why Corsair is better. I have yet to see, touch, feel, a Corsair case in person, but let me be the first to say that LL's top tier cases are definitely top notch. So what is it about Corsair cases that make them special? Cable routing features, SATA boards, or the actually material and processes they use to manufacture the case? Because only the last one matters when you've designed a case from the ground up and need a manufacturer to fab it.
 
its a fit and finish kind of thing
think of VW vs say a BMW
and i will say it is subjective but at lest with my 800D it wont be getting replaced any time soon
then there are things like Corsair offering upgrade parts for it to update it to USB3 and SATA3 for the front ports and hotswap bay
 
We probably could price it higher. In fact, I think it will make some people happy if we did.

Our goal for the M1 is:
- Promote Small Form Factor PC.
- Promote more variety and competition for the mITX market
- Promote more R&D coordination with forum community from companies
- Create a computer case that will push for smaller high-performance components
- Pave the way for others to crowdfund computer components
- Make Necere a real product designer (his 10+ years hobby)

Those goals are best achieved if we make M1 accessible to people, an expensive case is less accessible to people - not everyone has $200 for a case.
 
Elios said:
its a fit and finish kind of thing
think of VW vs say a BMW
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If VW is Corsair and BMW is Lian Li then maybe. I seen 800D in person and had a highend Lian Li (PC-V1110A); while 800D is a good case, the aluminum was thinner than the one used in Lian Li. I would place 800D somewhere between Lian Li PC-V and PC-A cases - worse than PC-V, better than PC-A and the laughable thickness of aluminum in case of PC-A series.
 
Let's not get in an argument about manufacturers, it's not worth it. Switching now would be difficult anyhow. Lian Li is going to do the absolute best work it possibly can to satisfy a customer (us, as a group). Lian Li isn't going to take this case design and start selling it tomorrow with their name on it. That's not what this thread is about.
 
Based on the current success of the campaign, it doesn't look like it'll be a worry whether or not you can get 300 customers for a supply run. $10 tier sold out already! Congrats!
 
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wahaha360 said:
We probably could price it higher. In fact, I think it will make some people happy if we did.

Our goal for the M1 is:
- Promote Small Form Factor PC.
- Promote more variety and competition for the mITX market
- Promote more R&D coordination with forum community from companies
- Create a computer case that will push for smaller high-performance components
- Pave the way for others to crowdfund computer components
- Make Necere a real product designer (his 10+ years hobby)

Those goals are best achieved if we make M1 accessible to people, an expensive case is less accessible to people - not everyone has $200 for a case.
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Still, 500 cases (my guesstimate on the quantity you might sell) is a very niche market, and thus price point shouldn't really matter. Heck, for those of us who know how much custom things cost, such a case for 250€ (thats the price that appears in my mind... and I'm sure it will be very close to that once you add VAT and everything) is not something terrible.

Well, I don't know about you, but my keyboard costs north of 200€, and it has no bells nor whistles, nor its even a custom keyboard (simply a Filco with some Cherry keycaps)

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My point being: if a custom product looks expensive to you... you are in the wrong place. I'd rather fork $50 extra and have THE product, that try to save some pennies and have a product that ain't perfect. Heck, if we do it, lets do it for good and show the industry that we have deep pockets... provided they have a good enough product. I don't know about you guys, but I'm tired of paying premium money for shit that is not worth a damn.

Last case I bought from Silverstone was a FT03, and let me tell you something: whoever was a designer of that case should be fired. The features all were wrong, and placed exactly where they shouldn't be, and don't let me talk about the interior. Nice looking case, totally terrible on the inside.

So, please, with the money you have raised I bet you can afford another prototype, and if nothing stops, even a few more. Take your time, tinker with the prototypes, test a few things, ask another prototype, and release it to the world when its ready. No need to hurry, those people who are in a hurry have no idea what "custom" means, and my intention is not to get a case for my inmediate build... but a case that is good enough that its worth it to build a computer around it. Most of the time people decide the form factor and then look for the case... this M1 will force people to choose case first, adapt later on ;) Heck, I'm using a Banchetto 101 at the moment... totally the contrary of this M1 case, hehehe.
 
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prava said:
SNIP!
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Not sure why you quoted me twice there.

prava said:
This is something that I don't understand. If I were LL I'd do as follows:

-LL: (to necere and wahahahhahahaha) hey, we bought you some tickets to Taiwan.
-What for?
-So you can start to tinker with your case.
-But I thought we hired you to build it, and we sell it?
-What about we produce it... but we give you a % of the profit, but we also hire you to work on the prototypes and the like?
-:eek:
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I would assume the contract has LL as the manufacturer. If Necere and W360 get a job out of this, that would be nice, but I would like to see them retain their attention to detail. Though, what you propose is highly unlikely since Necere and W360 are doing this as a side-gig.

prava said:
Quality wise, they aren't. But Corsair cases have a zillion of thought in them: they are "full" products, whereas LL products are "boutique" products most of the time. I've owned some cases from LL.. and sure they look awesome, but they lack a tremendous amount of things that they shouldn't for the price they cost.

PS: sure some LL cases have a lot of features... but they are mainly the higher-end, which cost A FORTUNE.
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$300 case is a $300 case. I was trying to objectively see why Ncase would move from LL to Corsair. There would be no point if the reasons that were given were based on features or design, since Necere already designed the thing. The only reason to move from LL to Corsair would be due to their better manufacturing processes or materials they source.

prava said:
My point being: if a custom product looks expensive to you... you are in the wrong place. I'd rather fork $50 extra and have THE product, that try to save some pennies and have a product that ain't perfect. Heck, if we do it, lets do it for good and show the industry that we have deep pockets... provided they have a good enough product. I don't know about you guys, but I'm tired of paying premium money for shit that is not worth a damn.
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I'm not sure what you mean by "if a custom product looks expensive to you... you are in the wrong place. I'd rather fork $50 extra and have THE product". To my knowledge, this is THE product. No one is trying to save pennies and have a product that isn't perfect. There's 75 pages, 4 versions, and a bunch of renderings that show that they're tying to make this as perfect as possible. My point about pricing was that if they want to price to the masses, not make a huge margin, and offer the best product the industry has seen recently, then by all means they should do that. What that results in is a product that has good VALUE.
 
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Because they're different sections of your post, and he wanted to respond to each in turn?
 
Morac said:
Because they're different sections of your post, and he wanted to respond to each in turn?
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But his responses don't make sense. Both of those post were in response to Elios, since he said they should switch to Corsair as the manufacturer. Maybe I missed something, or something was misinterpreted.

/shrug/
 
@crazjayz: sorry, it gets a bit hard to write something decent at this time (almost 2:00 AM here), in a language that is my 3rd. No excuses, simply saying sorry for the mess ;) But I'll try again:

Corsair VS LL: my point was adressed at the comment that mentioned Corsair as being a lot worse than LL, not directly to you (no idea what happened to those quotes, I probably had a brainfart :D ).

Also, the idea is that Corsair has a terrific knowledge of things that work and things that don't. So, they might not be able to produce the best quality cases (talking about full alu designs) but, function wise, they'd nail it. And, still, they might surprise some people quality wise... at the end of the day their 900D is not full alu... but, feature-wise, you can't compete with it. You simply can't (and the outside of the case is stunning, too).

Manufacturer vs something else: I know that both designers do this as a side-thingy... was only pointing out that it surprises me that, sometimes, the community is far more effective at doing things than the industry itself.

Saving some pennies. What I was saying is that we don't really know how the case will perform until they get a prototype and start tinkering with it. For every revision there will be the need of a prototype (probably), and those prototype costs will have to be shared among the final order, provided the first crowdfunding can't afford them all.

My point about this is that I'd rather have the guys order 8 prototypes and be sure that the case will be 100% tested.... that only ask 2 and have a few corners covered. Keep in mind that I'm not talking about the fabbing case alone, but all the costs that will get paid for us in the end.

Hope all that clarified a bit...

PS: but I don't agree with you about the "value". This case is aimed at a very niche market inside a niche market. First, we are targeting computer enthusiasts and, among them, those who like small computers and, among them, those who like to have a kinda high-end rig. This is not something for the masses whatsoever, its a very very very niche product. This product is simply trying to prove to the world that you can make a design right with no compromises by simply listening to the potential customers. At the end of the day, the final customers have something to say in those things they buy... specially in such techie forums... "value" in this product comes by simply comparing it to the non-existent competing products... or by the fact that you have to mod other cases like mad to get something half-decent. There is your value ;)
 
can we get an optional front plate to replace the current one fitted to support a slim CD drive? (for those that have no need for a CD drive, the only thing I dont love on the case is the front design)

also since we already doubled the goal why not send for prototypes from 2 companies (LL, Corsair or silverstone)
 
prava said:
@crazjayz: sorry, it gets a bit hard to write something decent at this time (almost 2:00 AM here), in a language that is my 3rd. No excuses, simply saying sorry for the mess ;) But I'll try again:
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No problem, it just had me a bit confused with the points you were making.

prava said:
Also, the idea is that Corsair has a terrific knowledge of things that work and things that don't. So, they might not be able to produce the best quality cases (talking about full alu designs) but, function wise, they'd nail it. And, still, they might surprise some people quality wise... at the end of the day their 900D is not full alu... but, feature-wise, you can't compete with it. You simply can't (and the outside of the case is stunning, too).
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This is the point that I've been trying to make. Corsair has awesome FEATURES, but when it comes to actual materials and manufacturing, everyone is the same. There is no real reason why this case should be made by Corsair over LL. Necere and W360 have worked with LL as of now, and switching to Corsair would just result in a lengthier delay.

prava said:
PS: but I don't agree with you about the "value". This case is aimed at a very niche market inside a niche market. First, we are targeting computer enthusiasts and, among them, those who like small computers and, among them, those who like to have a kinda high-end rig. This is not something for the masses whatsoever, its a very very very niche product. This product is simply trying to prove to the world that you can make a design right with no compromises by simply listening to the potential customers. At the end of the day, the final customers have something to say in those things they buy... specially in such techie forums... "value" in this product comes by simply comparing it to the non-existent competing products... or by the fact that you have to mod other cases like mad to get something half-decent. There is your value ;)
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Possibly. But from an economic sense, value is something that delivers more than you expected at that price point. It's true that when there are no competitors, value is... abstract in a way. You can't pin it down to anything since there's nothing else that offers the same experience.

Also, while the target market is computer enthusiasts, and even within that subset, people who build ITX systems, there's no reason that someone just entering this market should be turned away from the case because of the price. By pricing it below $200, they can get the 1st time ITX builder to buy it, and as their experience in the field grows, they can grow into all the features of the case.

For example, you buy this case because you want to try an ITX system, but you use it with an ATX PSU. Then, as you go deeper, with your next system, you buy a SFX PSU, and some SSDs. Then you upgrade your GPU. Finally, you want to take it to the next level by doing watercooling. All of that can be achieved with this case. As you mentioned before, with many other cases of similar size, you would have to start modding it, cutting it up, and doing all these makeshift things to it, in order to use a larger GPU and watercooling.

To be honest, this was the same reason I bought my Koolance V1000. I wanted to build a hell of a desktop, and I did. I watercooled it. I SLI'd it. I had 4 harddrives in RAID0 for performance with 2 more in RAID1 as backups. I grew into that case, starting small then moving up. The case was an investment that lasted through many upgrades. I feel that the M1 will be the same way.

Anyway, all talks about pricing doesn't matter until the Kickstarter is live. And for that I CAN'T WAIT!
 
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I like the idea of a designing for changing use over time aka. growing into a thing. Going to have to write that down somewhere.
 
Morac said:
I like the idea of a designing for changing use over time aka. growing into a thing. Going to have to write that down somewhere.
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Haha, no problem. I could relate it to cars as well, with people doing resto-mods and whatnot. It's not about the engine, interior, or suspension, but rather the chassis that can accommodate the direction you eventually move to. I see the M1 being extremely versatile from HTPCs to all-out LAN beasts.
 
crazjayz said:
Possibly. But from an economic sense, value is something that delivers more than you expected at that price point. It's true that when there are no competitors, value is... abstract in a way. You can't pin it down to anything since there's nothing else that offers the same experience.
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You said it yourself, there isn't any competition for this case. There are a ton of options in mITX cases, but none of them have all the features combined that this unit will.... which is the point of making this case on the first place: to design and sell something based on input from the community that gets everything done... and mind you, I think that the [H] SFF community is probably the [H]ardest in the english world. The germans are kinda beasty with it too... no idea, I speak no "kartoffen" :D
So, sure nobody wants a $500 custom case with no "guarantees", but at $200 or even $250 I see no problem. Heck, for non-US folks we will get stabbed by our customs... unless NCASE can "gift" the cases to us :D

Also, while the target market is computer enthusiasts, and even within that subset, people who build ITX systems, there's no reason that someone just entering this market should be turned away from the case because of the price. By pricing it below $200, they can get the 1st time ITX builder to buy it, and as their experience in the field grows, they can grow into all the features of the case.
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I don't agree with this either. If its the first time you go mITX I recommend that you try something not expensive at first, to see if the huge PITA's to deal with the system are worth your time. I'll put the analogy of a keyboard: you have $60 mech keyboards and $500 mech keyboards (same mechanism), which one would you rather buy to get initiated? If anybody starts into the SFF (I have no experience with mITX, but some with cramped mATX cases) world and they start with this case... I'm sorry to say it, but they are doing it wrong. With this case you have 2 options (provided you don't know what you are looking for)

a) You learn about it now. You think you like it. Go buy some normal mITX case, tinker with the form factor. Like it? Perfect, by the time the prototypes are ready you will be able to join ship.

b) You learn about it in 4 months... it doesn't matter: you can't get it.

Either way, this case isn't for beginners. A case at this price tag is for people that know exactly what you get for your money. See the comments in Toms? Those people have no idea why this case is that expensive, and thus they aren't candidates for it, simply because its clear as a day they haven't even built any small computer and realize how this design outweights them all.


For example, you buy this case because you want to try an ITX system, but you use it with an ATX PSU. Then, as you go deeper, with your next system, you buy a SFX PSU, and some SSDs. Then you upgrade your GPU. Finally, you want to take it to the next level by doing watercooling. All of that can be achieved with this case. As you mentioned before, with many other cases of similar size, you would have to start modding it, cutting it up, and doing all these makeshift things to it, in order to use a larger GPU and watercooling.
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This case doesn't grant that much flexibility, it simply adds some options to build your computer. This is why I said that you will design your computer build based on the case. Sure you can go air or water with this case... but water implies that you will only use 1 x 3.5" HDD (at most), among other things. SSD? If you are looking at such case... you should have used SSD's at least by the recent years, etc.

The ATX psu seems as a "gimmick" to me, since we will be using SFX psu's... or, at least, most will. The case is small enough to have to deal with very big psu's and super long cables (unless you truly know what you are doing).

All in all, I can't say I agree with you, which isn't bad or anything :D I simply state that I don't see this case for newcomers nor people not really tech-savvy. Also, I have no idea how you can grow with the case, as the product is a 100% focused product: big gpu, not many drives, an SFX psu, a not really big HS or some WC. Thats it :D:D:D:D:D
 
just because its not all Alu doent make it bad
would it make it better if some one made an all Ti case? not really
what its made of is imo less important then the finish of the case

my biggest bias is Corsair is a US company LL isnt
 
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Elios said:
just because its not all Alu doent make it bad
would it make it better if some one made an all Ti case? not really
what its made of is imo less important then the finish of the case

my biggest bias is Corsair is a US company LL isnt
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I doubt Corsair does 100% of their manufacturing in the US.

Probably not even half of their products are sourced and manufactured here.

Doesn't really matter where something is made. What's more important is how it's made. The same company makes Dell parts and Apple parts in China. No Applefan cares.
 
prava said:
You said it yourself, there isn't any competition for this case. There are a ton of options in mITX cases, but none of them have all the features combined that this unit will.... which is the point of making this case on the first place: to design and sell something based on input from the community that gets everything done... and mind you, I think that the [H] SFF community is probably the [H]ardest in the english world. The germans are kinda beasty with it too... no idea, I speak no "kartoffen" :D
So, sure nobody wants a $500 custom case with no "guarantees", but at $200 or even $250 I see no problem. Heck, for non-US folks we will get stabbed by our customs... unless NCASE can "gift" the cases to us :D
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As I previously said, arguing about pricing doesn't matter until the Kickstarter is official.


prava said:
I don't agree with this either. If its the first time you go mITX I recommend that you try something not expensive at first, to see if the huge PITA's to deal with the system are worth your time. I'll put the analogy of a keyboard: you have $60 mech keyboards and $500 mech keyboards (same mechanism), which one would you rather buy to get initiated? If anybody starts into the SFF (I have no experience with mITX, but some with cramped mATX cases) world and they start with this case... I'm sorry to say it, but they are doing it wrong. With this case you have 2 options (provided you don't know what you are looking for)

a) You learn about it now. You think you like it. Go buy some normal mITX case, tinker with the form factor. Like it? Perfect, by the time the prototypes are ready you will be able to join ship.

b) You learn about it in 4 months... it doesn't matter: you can't get it.

Either way, this case isn't for beginners. A case at this price tag is for people that know exactly what you get for your money. See the comments in Toms? Those people have no idea why this case is that expensive, and thus they aren't candidates for it, simply because its clear as a day they haven't even built any small computer and realize how this design outweights them all.
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I guess we differ when it comes to this. I'm deeply threaded in the "do it once, do it right" camp. If I'm buying a computer case, I want it to be the best, regardless if I need the best today. The biggest downside to this mentality is the price premium you have to face.

To use your analogy, if I see the value of the $500 keyboard, sure I'll get it. Heck, I use a 30" monitor, so spending "more than the usual person" for some things isn't out of my norm. I honestly don't see the point in buying some mid-range parts, and some generic crappy $60 case, only to realize that hey, I need more power (need to buy new parts) and my $60 case isn't going to cut it. If you're the type of person who buys what they need today, without planning for tomorrow, then fine. You'll start small, and every time you want to grow or change, you'll have to buy everything again.

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This case doesn't grant that much flexibility, it simply adds some options to build your computer. This is why I said that you will design your computer build based on the case. Sure you can go air or water with this case... but water implies that you will only use 1 x 3.5" HDD (at most), among other things. SSD? If you are looking at such case... you should have used SSD's at least by the recent years, etc.

The ATX psu seems as a "gimmick" to me, since we will be using SFX psu's... or, at least, most will. The case is small enough to have to deal with very big psu's and super long cables (unless you truly know what you are doing).
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Actually, everything that I said, this case can do. Just imagine someone moving from ATX to ITX. Everything they have is ATX standard. So what do you do first? You change motherboards. Well, if you buy this case, you can still use everything else you have. Your ATX PSU still works, your stock cooler still works, RAM, GPU, everything. Now, you want to upgrade as newer things come along? Fine, buy a SFX PSU, and voila, you can now fit that massive GPU. Moreover, you can still use a 3.5" drive mounted at the bottom, or 2 in the drive cage. You really want to up things later and jump into watercooling, or even if you just want to start exploring OC'ing? You can grab a 2x120 or two 120mm radiators, mount them and done.

prava said:
All in all, I can't say I agree with you, which isn't bad or anything :D I simply state that I don't see this case for newcomers nor people not really tech-savvy. Also, I have no idea how you can grow with the case, as the product is a 100% focused product: big gpu, not many drives, an SFX psu, a not really big HS or some WC. Thats it :D:D:D:D:D
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Yes, in the end, I suppose we agree to disagree. My thing is, if you start small, literally small, and end up with a powerhouse machine, this case will survive all that. No need to start with an i7, GTX680, 32GB RAM, and 2x120mm cooling loop from the beginning... though you can bet I will :D

Elios said:
just because its not all Alu doent make it bad
would it make it better if some one made an all Ti case? not really
what its made of is imo less important then the finish of the case

my biggest bias is Corsair is a US company LL isnt
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Not being all Al doesn't make it bad, but in this space, it's definitely not good. I honestly wouldn't want a steel structure with Al panels. Sure, the steel is heavy, and doesn't vibrate, but it weighs the case down so much. For being the smallest case that can fit this much power, you can bet a lot of people buying it will want to use it for LANs and get it for mobility. A full Al frame and structure keeps being lightweight at a priority, while not sacrificing strength, as long as it's thick enough.

If someone made a case in Ti, it would be UBER premium, or about 5-6x the price of an Al case. Yes, it would be very lightweight, and yes it would be EXTREMELY strong, but you don't need that kind of strength in a computer case.

As far as Corsair being a US company, I'm with you right there. I would love for this thing to be "Made in the USA" (though that doesn't mean much anymore, for the most part).
 
Speaking of 40L mini-ITX cases, have you guys seen the new CaseLabs? Seems like a decent alternative to the Prodigy, for those who want something even more hardcore and don't mind the size.
 
Sorry to burst the bubble of the 'omg use Corsair they're USA', but all of their OEM's which produce corsair components, and the final assembly of them, are in Asia.

There is nothing wrong with Lian-Li being the OEM for this.
 
Necere said:
Speaking of 40L mini-ITX cases, have you guys seen the new CaseLabs? Seems like a decent alternative to the Prodigy, for those who want something even more hardcore and don't mind the size.
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I don't really get what that case is supposed to do for the Mini-ITX formfactor. It looks way too big, might as well make it an MATX case at this point.
 
Really interested in seeing you guys test it with a 690. I'm concerned about the hot air being pushed into the case, and some of it circulating back underneath. It might be worth having a perforated front panel and setting up air baffles around the end of the card. Or even vents on the side of the front panel.
 
Necere/Wahaha360, what was Lian Li's mfg. engineering dept's final word on the perforated top? Are they adding a second pressing process post punch? Or are they laser cutting that profile? Just curious.
 
Talking about the price:

I can't believe I'm seeying people say this case should cost more than the projected price. Why ?! I'm not a penny-pincher but I can't believe we're all something-something Managers with money to burn saying: "Here's some more money, guys, I don't need it". Please do the correct thing and SPONSOR the project if you desperately need to get rid of your money.
 
Phuncz said:
Talking about the price:

I can't believe I'm seeying people say this case should cost more than the projected price. Why ?! I'm not a penny-pincher but I can't believe we're all something-something Managers with money to burn saying: "Here's some more money, guys, I don't need it". Please do the correct thing and SPONSOR the project if you desperately need to get rid of your money.
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I've said earlier in this thread that I'd pay up to around $200 for this case. Anything past that point I'd have a problem rationalizing. We are basically sponsoring this project with our money. It's not going to be sold on Newegg for the lowest price possible, you're not going to find it on Amazon with free shipping, and it won't ever be available in a brick and mortar store.
 
exelias0 said:
Really interested in seeing you guys test it with a 690. I'm concerned about the hot air being pushed into the case, and some of it circulating back underneath. It might be worth having a perforated front panel and setting up air baffles around the end of the card. Or even vents on the side of the front panel.
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Venting in the case shouldn't be a problem at all. Depending on your setup, if I were going all air, I would have two 120x25 or 120x38 fans in the side panel set to exhaust and one 120 in the bottom as intake. If I were running a 690, I would probably use two 120s as intakes on the bottom, with the rear one ideally feeding the 690 and the front one pushing air up towards the exhaust. I think with four 120mm fans in something that 13L, airflow will not be an issue.
 
Perfect, I wanted a full aluminum SG05 case, and it's delivered!

Now, I just want to clarify one thing... I cannot fit both a full ATX power supply and a full sized graphics card at the same time? I have a 160mm PSU and a 670, but it looks to be one or the other?

Also, I want to mount one HDD and one SSD... is there an economic way of doing that, instead of taking up two fan slots (one at the bottom and one on the side)?
 
Eureka! said:
Now, I just want to clarify one thing... I cannot fit both a full ATX power supply and a full sized graphics card at the same time? I have a 160mm PSU and a 670, but it looks to be one or the other?
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Correct. From the renderings, you're going to need a relatively short video card to use an ATX PSU longer than 140mm. The maximum space is somewhere around 170mm (as in 170mm until your touching the GPU). So unless you have amazing cable routing skills, 140-150mm is going to be the longest ATX PSU you can fit.

Eureka! said:
Also, I want to mount one HDD and one SSD... is there an economic way of doing that, instead of taking up two fan slots (one at the bottom and one on the side)?
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You can mount a SSD in the front-inside and then mount the HDD on the bottom. Thus, still retaining both fan slots on the side.

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Eureka! said:
Perfect, I wanted a full aluminum SG05 case, and it's delivered!
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On the contrary, this much more than an all aluminum SG05 and it has yet to be delivered. Donate on this current Indiegogo campaign to get yourself on the short list, donate on the following campaign to make sure it happens. Then if all the stars align properly (which it seems likely they will at this rate) you'll get your case.
 
CMadki4 said:
On the contrary, this much more than an all aluminum SG05 and it has yet to be delivered. Donate on this current Indiegogo campaign to get yourself on the short list, donate on the following campaign to make sure it happens. Then if all the stars align properly (which it seems likely they will at this rate) you'll get your case.
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Already did! The moment I realized what it was, I donated right away (I figure the end product can't be worse than a SG05, at the worst case scenario).

Thank you for all the information, crazjayz. Although I think I will keep 2 fans at the bottom and 1 fan on the side, since going the other way around means I can only fit 1 92mm fan on the bottom. I did not see that SSD mounting point, though. Also, I missed the hard drive caddy... I can just mount both the HDD and a SSD in a 3.5" tray on the side! Hooray!

Doesn't look like there are fan filters built in, though. Am I wrong on this (I hope I am)?
 
Question to NCASE:

Is there any chance to add one or a few vents on this part of the case? Just where it says "long gpu access" as that part seems of no use to me. Sure, they'd better be thin in order for the psu to fit... but it shouldn't have any other problems, right? Or am I missing something?

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