President To Issue Order On Cyber Attack Defense?

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According to "sources familiar with the matter" the President may issue an executive order aimed at improving the nation's defenses against cyber attacks as soon as tomorrow.

The order, drawn up after Congress failed to pass cyber defense legislation last year, is meant to improve the protection of critical industries and infrastructure from cyber intrusions. Concerns about cyber attacks, which have hit a succession of major U.S. companies and government agencies in recent months, also could be raised by Obama in his annual State of the Union address to Congress on Tuesday evening.
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Does this mean I can't download Care Bears for my kids from torrents anymore?
 
And I'm sure it has nothing to do with the cybersecurity bill that Congress is trying to resurrect. The last thing he would want to do is start a national panic about cyberterrorists right before trying to pass legislation to restrict our freedoms on the internet.

And anyone who says otherwise is racist.
 
Actually, I think it is irresponsible that our government hasn't done something already on the cyber war front ... we were the leaders in the nuclear age and cyber attacks are the new thermonuclear warhead ... we need to remain competitive ... if we were the ones that did the Stuxnet, then we need to make sure we have other weapons and a means of defending ourselves ... if we didn't do it, then we definitely need to improve our defenses ... modern society is too dependent on computers to let a foreign government or terrorists bring us down through electronic means ...

we should keep the focus on that though and ignore any scope creep with internet surveillance or IP protection ... two totally different problems with different approaches and risks ... mixing the real problem of cyber security with them is going to hurt, not help the US
 
bottjeremy said:
No surprise to me anymore, all this guy does is issue "executive orders."
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These executive orders have become more prevalent. What the hell did people expect to happen if he was elected :confused: There is no accountability anymore, he doesn't have to campaign for four more years.
 
MRAB54 said:
These executive orders have become more prevalent. What the hell did people expect to happen if he was elected :confused: There is no accountability anymore, he doesn't have to campaign for four more years.
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Well, according to Snopes, usually a pretty reliable source, President Obama has signed 138 executive orders to date ... compared with 291 from GW in his 8 years and 364 by BC in his 8 ... GW's Dad did 166 in his 4 years and RR did 381 in his 8 years ... doesn't seem to be out of whack with modern presidential behavior :cool:
 
yelsewshane said:
And will also contain thousands of other changes so they can monitor your every move.
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Good, someone needs to give Google some competition. I totally doubt that the USG will get anywhere close to as awesomely good at Google at this, but it'd be nice if someone at least tried to compete in the creepy arena.
 
kbrickley said:
Well, according to Snopes, usually a pretty reliable source, President Obama has signed 138 executive orders to date ... compared with 291 from GW in his 8 years and 364 by BC in his 8 ... GW's Dad did 166 in his 4 years and RR did 381 in his 8 years ... doesn't seem to be out of whack with modern presidential behavior :cool:
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How dare you use critical thinking skills on the internet. Don't you ever do that again.
 
Stiletto said:
Hey, he's not Bush, so whatever he does is just fine.
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And the economy's great because MSNBC said so....

No, he's much worse, and it's not fine.
I'm sure alot of people would love to have the low unemployment, and economic growth we had during Bush's first 6 years (before the Democrats took control of Congress and the Senate)
 
markt435 said:
How dare you use critical thinking skills on the internet. Don't you ever do that again.
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If you think the number has relevance, you're not thinking very hard. It's not the quantity...it's the contents. Whether the order is to suppress 150,000 documents about an ATF scandal that resulted in the deaths of hundreds of people(including at least one Border Patrol agent) or to enact immigration law that failed when put to a vote, Obama has shown himself to be very nuanced when it comes to use of his power against the wishes of the people he is supposed to serve.
 
kbrickley said:
Well, according to Snopes, usually a pretty reliable source, President Obama has signed 138 executive orders to date ... compared with 291 from GW in his 8 years and 364 by BC in his 8 ... GW's Dad did 166 in his 4 years and RR did 381 in his 8 years ... doesn't seem to be out of whack with modern presidential behavior :cool:
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to be fair, with that many passed before him...he doesn't NEED that many yet.

also the problem is a lot of his have been some of the bigger hitters (not that bush isn't known for a bunch of the fuck us over ones too)

quality not quantity.
 
Stiletto said:
If you think the number has relevance, you're not thinking very hard. It's not the quantity...it's the contents. Whether the order is to suppress 150,000 documents about an ATF scandal that resulted in the deaths of hundreds of people(including at least one Border Patrol agent) or to enact immigration law that failed when put to a vote, Obama has shown himself to be very nuanced when it comes to use of his power against the wishes of the people he is supposed to serve.
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I think all of our recent presidents have been "nuanced", it is just easy to single one out ;) (that said, I certainly haven't gone back to read all the executive order from the last five presidents to determine whether there is a difference in "quality" vs "quantity")... ever since Congress tried to emasculate the Executive branch after Vietnam and Watergate it has been a battle by the Executive branch to try and restore their power back to its pre-Vietnam levels ... I would argue that all 5 of our most recent presidents (Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Reagan) have all been adept at trying to restore the power of the presidency ... whether that is reasonable or desirable is certainly up for debate but until someone who has actually read through all 1000+ executive orders and performed a qualitative analysis of them provides their assessment I will give any president the benefit of the doubt (be he Bush or Obama) :cool:
 
Stiletto said:
:eek:

Um, why?
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Because I trust Congress even less than the President ... if what the Presidents have been doing is illegal then Congress should impeach them (that IS their job) ... personally I am not super happy with either party in power or any of the three branches of government, but there aren't too many other options right now ... I am more of a Green Liberpublicrat so none of the parties totally align with my thinking :cool:
 
kbrickley said:
Because I trust Congress even less than the President ... if what the Presidents have been doing is illegal then Congress should impeach them (that IS their job) ... personally I am not super happy with either party in power or any of the three branches of government, but there aren't too many other options right now ... I am more of a Green Liberpublicrat so none of the parties totally align with my thinking :cool:
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Uh, not if they are in leagues with each other. And they are, since they're all paid by the same groups of people.
 
kbrickley said:
Because I trust Congress even less than the President ... if what the Presidents have been doing is illegal then Congress should impeach them (that IS their job) ... personally I am not super happy with either party in power or any of the three branches of government, but there aren't too many other options right now ... I am more of a Green Liberpublicrat so none of the parties totally align with my thinking :cool:
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Wait...you trust the man with the most power over the people with less power?

Okey doke. :eek:

And FWIW, I no longer belong to any party, either. The only political party I actually like isn't even in my country(UKIP).
 
Stiletto said:
Wait...you trust the man with the most power over the people with less power?

Okey doke. :eek:

And FWIW, I no longer belong to any party, either. The only political party I actually like isn't even in my country(UKIP).
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I wouldn't say I "trust" any of the parts of the government (Judicial, Legislative, Executive) completely ... each bureaucracy has elements that work for and against us ... I think people also overplay the power of the President ... most of the President's Executive Orders could be overturned by Congress if they wanted to bad enough ... the only orders he could issue, that they couldn't easily overturn, would be changes to his own disclosure powers (kind of like when Bush and other Presidents have claimed executive privilege) and the infamous presidential signing statements (where he can exempt himself from laws that he signs) ... but since Congress usually exempts themselves from the laws they pass I don't think that is that earth shattering ;)
 
CISPA will be passed in 2013.

If you like it or not.

The Internet has too much free speech.

And cats

Gotta fucking get rid of all the cats
 
Great Leader just loves that end run around Constitution doesnt he
 
kbrickley said:
Well, according to Snopes, usually a pretty reliable source, President Obama has signed 138 executive orders to date ... compared with 291 from GW in his 8 years and 364 by BC in his 8 ... GW's Dad did 166 in his 4 years and RR did 381 in his 8 years ... doesn't seem to be out of whack with modern presidential behavior :cool:
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Its not quantity, it quality...

How many of those Bush executive orders were to de facto implement laws congress did not pass vs. the president working within his executive authority or authority granted by congress.

This article is one place where its clear he's decided to implement legislation congress did not pass. That's not his job.
 
kbrickley said:
Well, according to Snopes, usually a pretty reliable source, President Obama has signed 138 executive orders to date ... compared with 291 from GW in his 8 years and 364 by BC in his 8 ... GW's Dad did 166 in his 4 years and RR did 381 in his 8 years ... doesn't seem to be out of whack with modern presidential behavior :cool:
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Why trust snopes? They are hell bent on supporting liberalism. Here you go: http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/disposition.html

Wiki has an easy list here as well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_executive_orders

If you notice, Bush's made executive orders for mostly benign items, then made second executive orders rescinding prior executive orders, which is why his count is so high. Obama made constitution defying executive orders and then follows those up with more executive orders only to build on his authority based on his previous orders. In short, Obama is making his own constitution of dictatorship.
 
kbrickley said:
I think all of our recent presidents have been "nuanced", it is just easy to single one out ;) (that said,[/b] I certainly haven't gone back to read all the executive order from the last five presidents to determine whether there is a difference in "quality" vs "quantity"[/b])...

... whether that is reasonable or desirable is certainly up for debate but until someone who has actually read through all 1000+ executive orders and performed a qualitative analysis of them provides their assessment I will give any president the benefit of the doubt (be he Bush or Obama) :cool:
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Maybe you should do the 'qualitative analysis' yourself, see the links above.
 
BBA said:
Why trust snopes? They are hell bent on supporting liberalism. Here you go: http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/disposition.html

Wiki has an easy list here as well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_executive_orders

If you notice, Bush's made executive orders for mostly benign items, then made second executive orders rescinding prior executive orders, which is why his count is so high. Obama made constitution defying executive orders and then follows those up with more executive orders only to build on his authority based on his previous orders. In short, Obama is making his own constitution of dictatorship.
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Well, we can blame our weak Congress for making their own bed for many of these things ... I am not a big Obama fan (although I don't share the intense hatred and fear of him that some people do) ... my favorite modern presidents would be Kennedy, Clinton, Reagan, and Nixon ... I actually like a stronger president and I think our government functions best when it is divided (like it was under Clinton and Reagan) ... hopefully Congress will get their act together and start passing some laws (even if they are bad ones) since THAT is their job ...

we need a strong cyber defense bill from Congress (I would like to see billions put into developing offensive and defensive cyber capabilities including non-nuclear EMP weapons) ... we need changes to patent and IP laws that protect US interests ... we need major government reforms and changes ... these are all the responsibilities of the Congress and they should try and pass some laws NOW ... I agree that the president should not be doing these things unilaterally but if Congress doesn't act they do leave the door open for an activist president to take action when they are not ;)
 
Obama is NOT interested in "defense". What he's after is full government control over everything that happens on the internet, your home network, and any ip addressable device you might have at home or at work. It's the only way to achieve the kind of control he wants with everything that falls under the heading of "American".

It's the same M.O. as everything else.....G.M., Health care (including abortion and possible death panels) , guns, other forms of public communications, home ownership, student loans, parental rights, redefining marriage, the overall economy, and smoking. Just about any form of anything that could be looked at as a "freedom".

This is NOT just limited to America either. What he does has a rippling affect across the globe (of course, as the president). What he does ends up pissing people off all over the planet (and people said this about Bush). This guy actually does what people thought Bush was doing.

Bush was no saint and I'm not exactly pro-Bush. But, of the two, I'd rather have Bush back.
 
prndll said:
Obama is NOT interested in "defense". What he's after is full government control over everything that happens on the internet, your home network, and any ip addressable device you might have at home or at work. It's the only way to achieve the kind of control he wants with everything that falls under the heading of "American".

It's the same M.O. as everything else.....G.M., Health care (including abortion and possible death panels) , guns, other forms of public communications, home ownership, student loans, parental rights, redefining marriage, the overall economy, and smoking. Just about any form of anything that could be looked at as a "freedom".

This is NOT just limited to America either. What he does has a rippling affect across the globe (of course, as the president). What he does ends up pissing people off all over the planet (and people said this about Bush). This guy actually does what people thought Bush was doing.

Bush was no saint and I'm not exactly pro-Bush. But, of the two, I'd rather have Bush back.
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I suspect if it was even possible to control and monitor the internet at those levels then the No Such Agency would be doing it already (could be for all we know since most of their budget is classified) ... they certainly wouldn't want to pass laws to enable it or do it in the open though :cool:

tin-foil-hat.jpg

:D
 
MRAB54 said:
These executive orders have become more prevalent. What the hell did people expect to happen if he was elected :confused: There is no accountability anymore, he doesn't have to campaign for four more years.
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Exactly if Congress does not pass what he wants he just bypasses them with executive orders. I really do not understand how stupid people are not to see what his motives are. He has done as much or if not more harm then Bush did in 8 years...
 
bottjeremy said:
No surprise to me anymore, all this guy does is issue "executive orders."
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Yeah keep saying that if it makes you hate the man even more, even though its not true. :rolleyes:

With Congress doing nothing but blocking everything but the sun all in the name of ensuring he becomes a one-term president, I say to the president, get er' done!

All this political in-fighting and bickering is getting old. Congress can go pound sand.
 
SkribbelKat said:
Good, someone needs to give Google some competition. I totally doubt that the USG will get anywhere close to as awesomely good at Google at this, but it'd be nice if someone at least tried to compete in the creepy arena.
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**Tin foil hat**
What if Google is secretly a government agency? Dun dun dun
 
NICKSTAR said:
**Tin foil hat**
What if Google is secretly a government agency? Dun dun dun
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Then we should give them pay bonuses for doing a good job, but spank their bottoms for not getting the Glass thing on peoples' feces so we can see what they're talking about when they're walking around in the mall.
 
Azhar said:
Yeah keep saying that if it makes you hate the man even more, even though its not true. :rolleyes:

With Congress doing nothing but blocking everything but the sun all in the name of ensuring he becomes a one-term president, I say to the president, get er' done!

All this political in-fighting and bickering is getting old. Congress can go pound sand.
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Because the Obama administration certainly never engages in political in-fighting and bickering. What an objective view. :rolleyes:
 
Azhar said:
Yeah keep saying that if it makes you hate the man even more, even though its not true. :rolleyes:

With Congress doing nothing but blocking everything but the sun all in the name of ensuring he becomes a one-term president, I say to the president, get er' done!

All this political in-fighting and bickering is getting old. Congress can go pound sand.
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It would be one thing if his actions were actually in the best interests of the country, but alas, as many government actions, they're only guised as such, while in fact they will be turned against its people in the end.
In the past, far too many good ideas have been twisted and gone bad, and at least as many ideas that were guised as good were indeed bad from their very conception.
 
SkribbelKat said:
Then we should give them pay bonuses for doing a good job, but spank their bottoms for not getting the Glass thing on peoples' feces so we can see what they're talking about when they're walking around in the mall.
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:eek: I should hope not!
 
SkribbelKat said:
Then we should give them pay bonuses for doing a good job, but spank their bottoms for not getting the Glass thing on peoples' feces so we can see what they're talking about when they're walking around in the mall.
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I hope you meant faces ... although I have seen a few people that were talking crap most of the time ... so maybe that is correct :D
 
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