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http://www.webpronews.com/simcity-will-have-an-in-game-store-2013-02
It looks like SC2013 has a store that will function much like the TF2 store. That pretty much means free modding is out the window...
How does it mean it's out the window?
I'm actually asking, not being sarcastic.
Didn't they state clearly that modding tools were going to be released? Of course, even if they do, how much people will be able to mod I'm sure is nowhere near previous iterations of the series.
Also, it says "both free and paid" content in the description, so would that not indicate there will possibly be user-made things downloadable for free?
The way everything is shaping up, the in-game store will be a requirement for any modders to get their content downloaded (Win 8, TF2, etc). Basically, I believe we are going to see The Sims all over again...abunch of pay-for-download websites filled with stuff. We won't see another SC4-style modding community from EA for a long time.How does it mean it's out the window?
I'm actually asking, not being sarcastic.
Didn't they state clearly that modding tools were going to be released? Of course, even if they do, how much people will be able to mod I'm sure is nowhere near previous iterations of the series.
Also, it says "both free and paid" content in the description, so would that not indicate there will possibly be user-made things downloadable for free?
Is it just me or is this game basically sims 4
The way everything is shaping up, the in-game store will be a requirement for any modders to get their content downloaded (Win 8, TF2, etc). Basically, I believe we are going to see The Sims all over again...abunch of pay-for-download websites filled with stuff. We won't see another SC4-style modding community from EA for a long time.
The Sim City's that Will Wright and Maxis brought us years over the past two decades is gone. Sim City Societies and the way EA is taking the game is the downfall of the Sim City series.
and people like you defend it as being "ok".
Enjoy your $100+ worth of DLC. Enjoy modding being extremely limited. Enjoy your shallow, compartmentalized game. Enjoy having to pay a subscription just to play 5 years from now.
I am not defending it as ok. Maybe my expectations are just lower and I accept it for what it is and know that there is nothing that I can do about it.
I am simply looking for a game to provide hours of entertainment. I just do not care about always having to be online. By the time they take the servers down, I will not be playing this game anyways. I will have 100's of other games to play by then and I won't care. The city size is not deal breaker either cause I simply don't care about making some mega city. I think having 16 different specialized cities in a region is much more interesting.
I could care less about the money dude. I am looking for good entertainment in the little amount of free time I have in between work, wife, 3 kids and responsibilities. I make alot of money and will continue to make more. 100$ for many hours of entertainment is money well spent in my opinion since I am likely to go out one weekend and spend a couple hundred in the bar and for alcohol at home.
Games have about a 6 month shelf life with me currently and I will not be playing this game in 5 years so your 5 year sub comment is silly.
I am not defending it as ok. Maybe my expectations are just lower and I accept it for what it is and know that there is nothing that I can do about it. .....snip
So you're saying you're ok with it.
So far, it seems the game is far too limiting and limited, and could have really been a huge offering with a lot more to it in the end, especially given the tech available these days. I would like to be able to still be playing five years from now, as with SimCity IV, which is still fun to play.
Devs need to focus on quality, instead of the almighty fucking dollar, which they'd actually bring in more of with a higher quality, more expansive game. I'd think devs would realize that by now.
We'll have to see just how limited the game really is when it's released. The smaller city size is the worst thing for me, even over the always-on, though that is unacceptable. However, I'd try to overlook both as long in those small areas I can end up with a landscape packed with skyscrapers and other huge, interesting buildings with some interesting designs and a large amount of Sims running around.
Agreed. Small cities is a killer for me, and the regions aren't adequate compensation for it.
As an alternative, I have been playing a fair amount of Cities XL Platinum, and while it has its fair share of flaws, it has pulled me in with as much force as previous Simcity games. I guess it is somewhat iterative from previous versions of the series, but for relative newcomers to the series like me, there is a lot to like. Case in point, I built a 750k population city on about 25% of a city map using about 50% low density zones. Now that's scale!
Plus, it's on Steam .
its just you.
And that's what is wrong with the industry. Their product is designed to maximize profit, not to make a legitimately good game....and people like you defend it as being "ok".
Enjoy your $100+ worth of DLC. Enjoy modding being extremely limited. Enjoy your shallow, compartmentalized game. Enjoy having to pay a subscription just to play 5 years from now.
Holy hell, that's a lot of people on only 25% of the map! lol
i loved sims 3 btw
Indeed. It's the first time I can recall ever not feeling constrained by a city-builder's size limitations. Granted, I am only about 14 hours in, but I have been able to build a good-sized city and also have natural open and undeveloped space without having to feel like I am sacrificing something to do it.
i actually thought about getting sims 3 at one point then i took a look at all the expansions and i couldnt bring my self to even get just the base game feeling like i was missing out on alot of content.
i always liked the build your own house creativity behind the series but at this point if i were to get it i would want all the expansions for it in a bundle for like 60 bucks at the most.
origin did a 50% off sale for the whole sims 3 series a few days ago and it was still like $150+ or something dont remember exactly how much it was but it was pretty crazy.
No, he's not "OK" with it... which he makes clear in what he's saying. He's just willing to "settle", in other words, just to have at least somewhat of a good experience, and appreciate it for what ever it has to offer.
I don't believe we should have to "settle" for anything, there's just no excuse for it, but what can you do? It is what it is, and while they could have made a far better game from what it seems like thus far, if it has any redeeming qualities at all, and it's something someone is into, sometimes people are willing to make concessions.
He's making it clear he's not "OK" with it, that he's just lowering his expectations to "settle" for what's being offered. Sometimes in the world of gaming, that's just what you have to do. Though I don't believe in doing it too often or more extreme cases, given that it does send the wrong message to lazy and/or money-hungry devs.
SimCity Online - just $4.99/mo for "Standard" and $9.99/mo for "Designer", featuring all new DLC for free!
Very well said and thank you for understanding
To "settle" and to buy is to say you're "OK" with it.
Actions speak louder than words. In this case, buying the product.
I've been ranting and raving for years about DLC, microtransactions, etc. What comes next now that this stuff is the norm? A paid subscription just to play. EXPECT IT. It's coming. Kotick already wants it with the CoD series, same with BF, these "premium" packs and whatnot are just the test grounds for something continuous.
So for all of your ranting and raving over years, has it changed anything at all? Have you bought any games that have DLC and microtransactions? Have you purchased any of that extra material over these excruciating years of change? You probably have. You dont agree with it but you settled for something you wanted. That is the point I am trying to make. I don't like it but I accept the fact that I do not have a choice as a consumer on the direction of the industry. I realize that these guys do want to make good games but they have bills to pay also, I get that. I have comes to terms with all of it including DRM. No amount of bitching, whining, pissing and moaning is going to change it. If you don't like it that much then don't support these companies by buying their products. Their business will continue with or without your purchase. Accept it and get over.
QFT. Well said.
I don't like it but I accept the fact that I do not have a choice as a consumer on the direction of the industry.
I realize that these guys do want to make good games but they have bills to pay also, I get that. I have comes to terms with all of it including DRM. No amount of bitching, whining, pissing and moaning is going to change it. If you don't like it that much then don't support these companies by buying their products. Their business will continue with or without your purchase. Accept it and get over.
I'll be laughing when you guys start "grudgingly accepting" a company that sues you for cheating in a single player.
You most certainly do. The consumer has ALL the power. Vote with your wallet. That is how change happens. If enough people feel that way they too will vote with their wallets and change will happen.
Sure they have bills to pay. But perhaps there are better models the majority are willing to accept? If people continue to support the current model they are unsatisfied with then nothing will change.
You are correct that no amount of bitching and moaning will change anything. It's all about money. But you are wrong about their business continuing without a purchase. If enough people agree and stop buying a companies products then that company cannot function.
To me it sounds like you've become apathetic. Because you feel that you by yourself not buying a game makes no difference to the company you will instead just suck it up and buy it. And that does indeed do nothing. And you have no chance of creating change with that attitude. Enough people need to make a stand.
If there's something I don't agree with then it doesn't get my money. I don't care what anyone else thinks or will do, that's outside of my control. I only control my own actions. Maybe enough people agree with me and change happens. Maybe not. But I still don't give in.
I may be naive, but the thing that makes me the most optimistic about the future of games is that more and more people are making games, the tools to make them are getting cheaper and easier to use, and things like digital distribution are eliminating the need for money-hoarding middlemen like EA.
Well i don't know what else to say.
When you get fucked by EA, Don't post about it, because I tried to warn you, and you told me to shut up. I thought that voicing my distaste for this direction of the industry might, in some small way, might change things. Of course it hasn't. Because tools that have more money than sense just say "meh".
I guess I'm done in this thread. I'll leave you with this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21367852
I'll be laughing when you guys start "grudgingly accepting" a company that sues you for cheating in a single player.