Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 to Share App Development

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According to a new Microsoft job posting, the company is presently searching for developers to work on projects that focus on unifying the apps running on all Windows 8 platforms. Microsoft looks to start the inevitable universal adaption early on to save R&D time and resources.


Developers wouldn’t be the only beneficiaries of course. Windows Phone 8 users that have favorite apps could extend that experience to a Windows 8 tablet, laptop or desktop.
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Smells more like desperation to me, modern WinMo and Win8, then Surface and the astro-turfing that has reached forums around the world.
 
Sounds more like intelligent thinking to me and about time someone is finally doing this.
 
LOL wasn't this supposed to be the whole point of Window 8 though, and punishing desktop users with a crippled tablet interface.

They should've had this in place before Window 8 ever shipped.
 
odditory said:
LOL wasn't this supposed to be the whole point of Window 8 though, and punishing desktop users with a crippled tablet interface.

They should've had this in place before Window 8 ever shipped.
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Yep. They're about half a year late with this.
 
odditory said:
LOL wasn't this supposed to be the whole point of Window 8 though, and punishing desktop users with a crippled tablet interface.

They should've had this in place before Window 8 ever shipped.
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Good thing Windows 8 users aren't punished with some imaginary "crippled tablet interface", then. In fact, the desktop is functionally identical to Windows 7, and the start button works almost the same: press the Windows key, type, press enter, watch program launch!
 
GoldenTiger said:
Good thing Windows 8 users aren't punished with some imaginary "crippled tablet interface", then. In fact, the desktop is functionally identical to Windows 7, and the start button works almost the same: press the Windows key, type, press enter, watch program launch!
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Nice try. But sorry if it weren't crippled, the overwhelming majority of professionals wouldn't be complaining. You could of pushed a bs post like this in beta, cat is out of the bag now.
 
I'm one of two people I know that use Windows 8, and I only know one person who uses Windows Phone. They've already failed.
 
cheese007 said:
I'm one of two people I know that use Windows 8, and I only know one person who uses Windows Phone. They've already failed.
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I don't think they have already failed, it will just take a lot longer to get up to speed because they are late to the game.

Unification of desktop/mobile apps could help MS in the long run, at least if mobile OSes don't fill the need first (more powerful convertible tablets/laptops.

Yet the problem is... the "metro" framework that is cross platform doesn't "unlock" new ability power in the app on desktop OS, but limits down to mobile OS features. This seems to reduce the desktop OS as "legacy" support imho tempting people to remove more feature rich OSes entirely from their homes..
 
Dekoth-E- said:
Nice try. But sorry if it weren't crippled, the overwhelming majority of professionals wouldn't be complaining. You could of pushed a bs post like this in beta, cat is out of the bag now.
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Cute. But where's the cat? I haven't seen a cat here except the linux troll SkribbelKat... please link to the proof of "overwhelming majority of professionals" complaining. As far as I have seen, and via the literal functionality of the product, it is well-liked by those who actually have installed it rather than spent their time fiddling with Linux distro's and then trolling about how much Win8 must stink off of random FUD they recirculate amongst eachother.
 
Dekoth-E- said:
Nice try. But sorry if it weren't crippled, the overwhelming majority of professionals wouldn't be complaining. You could of pushed a bs post like this in beta, cat is out of the bag now.
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Please explain how the Start Screen crippled in comparison to the Start Menu. Back up your opinions with facts, statistics, and evidence to support your conclusions. Please use good penmanship! If you run out of room on this page, write on the back. EXTRA CREDIT question on back for a gold star!
 
Blame Sinofsky, now that he's gone let the flood gates of interoperability open! This is the long game.
 
Good!

I was wondering how long it would take them to make this move. The sooner the better.

App interoperability across all 3 platforms (phone, tablet, desktop/notebook) would put them MILES AHEAD of everyone else.

You can't do this with iOS or Android.

Technically, if MS starts the transition now, they're leapfrogging the others.
 
Advil said:
Good!

I was wondering how long it would take them to make this move. The sooner the better.

App interoperability across all 3 platforms (phone, tablet, desktop/notebook) would put them MILES AHEAD of everyone else.

You can't do this with iOS or Android.

Technically, if MS starts the transition now, they're leapfrogging the others.
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Problem is who would buy Windows phone, Windows tablet, or even Windows 8. Also, HTML5 for everyone!
 
Dekoth-E- said:
Nice try. But sorry if it weren't crippled, the overwhelming majority of professionals wouldn't be complaining. You could of pushed a bs post like this in beta, cat is out of the bag now.
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The majority of professionals have cried at every change, seriously did you hear them when the ribbon came online? Oh shit I am actually going to have to learn something new rather than sit around pretending to work while I surf hard forums.
 
Advil said:
Good!

I was wondering how long it would take them to make this move. The sooner the better.

App interoperability across all 3 platforms (phone, tablet, desktop/notebook) would put them MILES AHEAD of everyone else.

You can't do this with iOS or Android.

Technically, if MS starts the transition now, they're leapfrogging the others.
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Well once Apple announces it's doing it then it will be classed as 'revolutionary', radical' brave' and 'magical'.

As it's MS the tame press will just act baffled.

I bet Apple is really pissed that MS jumped the gun on this strategy before they did publicly.
 
daglesj said:
Well once Apple announces it's doing it then it will be classed as 'revolutionary', radical' brave' and 'magical'.

As it's MS the tame press will just act baffled.

I bet Apple is really pissed that MS jumped the gun on this strategy before they did publicly.
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I think they have been moving towards that for the last 2-3 years. I just think that Apple doesn't either have a decent execution of the same concept or are waiting for something to happen before they do it.
 
Great. Our PC's really will become a frickin' phone now.

Common development typically means programming to the lowest platform.

We've been XBox'd.
 
I use Windows 8 pro and Server 2012 at work. I do hate that the traditional start menu isn't an option because of annoying users who just like to complain. I would argue that my productivity ha increased since I had to learn how to use this new start page and short cuts to get to where I want to go.

P.S. Hyper-V 2012 is the primary reason we upgraded to Server 2012. This new hyper-v is awesome compared to vmware, in both performance and cost. But there are some incompatibilities that we are waiting for sp1 to solve due to the third-party folks aren't going to server 2012 until sp1.
 
CHANG3D said:
I use Windows 8 pro and Server 2012 at work. I do hate that the traditional start menu isn't an option because of annoying users who just like to complain. I would argue that my productivity ha increased since I had to learn how to use this new start page and short cuts to get to where I want to go.

P.S. Hyper-V 2012 is the primary reason we upgraded to Server 2012. This new hyper-v is awesome compared to vmware, in both performance and cost. But there are some incompatibilities that we are waiting for sp1 to solve due to the third-party folks aren't going to server 2012 until sp1.
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Hyperv 2012 is now as good as VMWare its still lacks in MANY datacenter features.
Oh Server 2012 is fucking buggy as fuck. Still is a lame duck supporting non microsoft OS's. Only advantage it may have is that its cheaper then vmware. I have put in so far 2 Microsoft Tech support calls with various issues with 2012 and both were major bugs in the OS. I'm sticking with 2k8r2 and vmware.
 
captainyarr said:
When did this become HardApple: home of the astroturfing anti-MS trolls?
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Given the MS/Junk choice all the sane people dislike crApple. Just MS has been doing lots of crappy anti-user (aka Apple like) things for some reason recently...:confused:
 
GoldenTiger said:
Good thing Windows 8 users aren't punished with some imaginary "crippled tablet interface", then. In fact, the desktop is functionally identical to Windows 7, and the start button works almost the same: press the Windows key, type, press enter, watch program launch!
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It is not functionally identical. Taking over the entire screen presents an unnecessary and unwanted distraction. It focuses the user to take their eyes off what they are working on in order to simply launch another program.
 
damicatz said:
It is not functionally identical. Taking over the entire screen presents an unnecessary and unwanted distraction. It focuses the user to take their eyes off what they are working on in order to simply launch another program.
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I disagree, taking over the entire screen gives you more space to fit more programs in, if done well it can mean everything you ever use 95% of the time is 2 clicks away. Unlike windows 7s start menu where many things are hidden in trees. The big mistake I think MS made was not just leaving a start menu icon there that simply brought up the metro start screen.
 
rudy said:
I disagree, taking over the entire screen gives you more space to fit more programs in, if done well it can mean everything you ever use 95% of the time is 2 clicks away. Unlike windows 7s start menu where many things are hidden in trees. The big mistake I think MS made was not just leaving a start menu icon there that simply brought up the metro start screen.
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I don't use the mouse to launch programs. The number of clicks, is, therefore irrelevant. I use the keyboard with the search function to launch most applications.
 
damicatz said:
It is not functionally identical. Taking over the entire screen presents an unnecessary and unwanted distraction. It focuses the user to take their eyes off what they are working on in order to simply launch another program.
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Oh so you keep your eyes glued to your program as you surf the start menu? It's not any slower launching programs, dramatic much?
 
damicatz said:
I don't use the mouse to launch programs. The number of clicks, is, therefore irrelevant. I use the keyboard with the search function to launch most applications.
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Well you do not represent the vast majority of users, and even so you should be able to do the same thing in windows 8, press windows key, start typing, press enter.
 
Windows 7 Start Menu:

*Windows key/Click start - Click several times/scroll to find desired program in list
*Windows key/Click start - Click program that you pinned for more convenience
*Windows key/Click start - Type first few letters of program/keyword then hit enter

Windows 8 Start Screen:

*Windows key/Charms bar - Click several times/scroll to find desired program in list (right click first)
*Windows key/Charms bar - Click program that you pinned for more convenience
*Windows key/Charms bar - Type first few letters of program/keyword then hit enter

I bolded the differences and both operating systems can still pin to taskbar for those things you use every single day. They are so close to being identical that anyone complaining beyond the five minutes it takes to learn the new way is really just throwing a childish fit. Another way to look at it is think of all the stuff you pinned to the start menu before, you would typically put commonly used programs there. Things you use often but not often enough to pin to the taskbar. Now instead that awesome but limited functionality (limited due to size/space) has been greatly expanded to make it even better. So all the same layers are there, but one has been greatly expanded/improved for your convenience. You're welcome!

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I must say after using 8 for several months now. When I use a 7 or especially an XP machine using the Start menu and drilling down through folder and sub folders to find software just seems really fiddly and old fashioned.

Using Windows 8 for all that seems much faster to me now.
 
OldPueblo said:
Windows 7 Start Menu:

*Windows key/Click start - Click several times/scroll to find desired program in list
*Windows key/Click start - Click program that you pinned for more convenience
*Windows key/Click start - Type first few letters of program/keyword then hit enter

Windows 8 Start Screen:

*Windows key/Charms bar - Click several times/scroll to find desired program in list (right click first)
*Windows key/Charms bar - Click program that you pinned for more convenience
*Windows key/Charms bar - Type first few letters of program/keyword then hit enter

I bolded the differences and both operating systems can still pin to taskbar for those things you use every single day. They are so close to being identical that anyone complaining beyond the five minutes it takes to learn the new way is really just throwing a childish fit. Another way to look at it is think of all the stuff you pinned to the start menu before, you would typically put commonly used programs there. Things you use often but not often enough to pin to the taskbar. Now instead that awesome but limited functionality (limited due to size/space) has been greatly expanded to make it even better. So all the same layers are there, but one has been greatly expanded/improved for your convenience. You're welcome!
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You're doing it all wrong...in 7 not only can you pin more programs to that list than you have shown, you also can pin applications along the bottom. Web browsers/programs pinned to the always visible taskbar all also have their own jumplists. So within 1 click you can have over 300 things visible. A load more than 8. They also did away with the custom toolbars... Also you have way more icons on your desktop than in the Start menu...:p

The problem with them being "identical" is the whole problem. It's a pointless sidegrade, especially as it adds nothing really useful, is kind of annoying (serious why can't you have a damned button in the corner, why must you float there, or turn a 1 hand job into 2 hands...[and pretty stupid for tablet users...]) and the performance is variable/occasionally unstable. Making it an entirely pointless/silly "upgrade".
 
DeathPrincess said:
You're doing it all wrong...in 7 not only can you pin more programs to that list than you have shown, you also can pin applications along the bottom. Web browsers/programs pinned to the always visible taskbar all also have their own jumplists. So within 1 click you can have over 300 things visible. A load more than 8. They also did away with the custom toolbars... Also you have way more icons on your desktop than in the Start menu...:p
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Every single one of those is still in Win8 (I even mentioned the pin to taskbar), and I never stated that picture showed the maximum. It was just demonstrating the location on the start menu.

The problem with them being "identical" is the whole problem. It's a pointless sidegrade, especially as it adds nothing really useful, is kind of annoying (serious why can't you have a damned button in the corner, why must you float there, or turn a 1 hand job into 2 hands...[and pretty stupid for tablet users...]) and the performance is variable/occasionally unstable. Making it an entirely pointless/silly "upgrade".
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It's not pointless at all when there are improvements all throughout the OS, they take something like pin to start and make it much more useful AS WELL AS now adding the ability to use a third interface control that we are all already heavily using on phones and tablets (touch). And Win8 on a tablet is loved by the majority of reviewers so not exactly sure what you mean. Looks like you just don't like Win8 regardless, and you're using your own opinion as the foundations for your arguments. Good luck I guess!
 
OldPueblo said:
Every single one of those is still in Win8 (I even mentioned the pin to taskbar), and I never stated that picture showed the maximum. It was just demonstrating the location on the start menu.



It's not pointless at all when there are improvements all throughout the OS, they take something like pin to start and make it much more useful AS WELL AS now adding the ability to use a third interface control that we are all already heavily using on phones and tablets (touch). And Win8 on a tablet is loved by the majority of reviewers so not exactly sure what you mean. Looks like you just don't like Win8 regardless, and you're using your own opinion as the foundations for your arguments. Good luck I guess!
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haters are just going to hate. I am more productive with Windows 8. I'm not pro-Microsoft, but I will give credit where credit is due. Microsoft biggest mistake is to shove it down people's throats. Why they took out the code from beta is beyond me. Give people the choice.
 
Unifying app development with Windows 8 & Windows Phone 8 is a really great move by Microsoft. Maximizing code sharing will attract lot of developers over the long run. Microsoft Virtual Academy has expert developer training providing a comparison and techniques for creating a unified app. Their course on windows app development will help you create a dynamic & versatile app. and how you can share code. You can check out the link for more information.

http://www.microsoftvirtualacademy....d-apps-for-both-windows-8-and-windows-phone-8
 
OldPueblo said:
Every single one of those is still in Win8 (I even mentioned the pin to taskbar), and I never stated that picture showed the maximum. It was just demonstrating the location on the start menu.
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Pin to Taskbar is not the same as a Toolbar.

For one, Pin to Taskbar is a real estate eater. For another an application opened with a Pin, if you press the pin again, just brings the application to the fore and give it focus instead of launching a new instance. You can work around it, but only through the application itself.
 
Nice necro :)

Hmmm a newbie fluent in MS marketspeech, interesting, it wasn't like we had a drought of those here tho.
 
jpm100 said:
For another an application opened with a Pin, if you press the pin again, just brings the application to the fore and give it focus instead of launching a new instance. You can work around it, but only through the application itself.
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Or you can right click and open new, or just shift click it.
 
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