Blizzard’s Jay Wilson Leaving the Diablo 3 Team

At this point I just think diablo 3 is a different game than diablo 2. Did JW mess it up? Kinda yes. But when you consider that its not the same game then kinda no. If you look at what diablo 3 is as a different game it is very innovative compared to d2. That innovation being brought to another project at Blizzard may pay off imo. It just will need to be handled better and I'm sure Blizzard is well aware of that now.
 
Bamboo said:
Eat a dick. You fucked up our franchise.
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Man when did it become socially acceptable for this.

And we wonder why people leave some of the best content creators left the profession.

You guys act like you just hired a contractor and paid him hundreds of not 1000s of dollars and he fucked something up. By the way this happens all the time.

This is a 60 dollar game purchase with a free demo. If you don't like something don't buy it.
 
roaf85 said:
Man when did it become socially acceptable for this.

And we wonder why people leave some of the best content creators left the profession.

You guys act like you just hired a contractor and paid him hundreds of not 1000s of dollars and he fucked something up. By the way this happens all the time.

This is a 60 dollar game purchase with a free demo. If you don't like something don't buy it.
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The problem with JW was he was basically a dick to the community as well. He basically told players loyal to the franchise,

"This is the best way D3 should be and you're an idiot if you don't like it."

Of course players are going to respond in kind.
 
Good riddance ! Hope it get better from now, from a true Diablo serie fan.
 
Jay Wilson is an uninspired ass clown.


Good Riddance. Though he's probably got his fingers all in the Titan pie at this point.
 
soulesschild said:
The problem with JW was he was basically a dick to the community as well. He basically told players loyal to the franchise,

"This is the best way D3 should be and you're an idiot if you don't like it."

Of course players are going to respond in kind.
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well he is the professional.. and the community is not.

imagine having a group of people knit picking every little thing you do at work all the time.

i wouldve been a way bigger douche
 
soulesschild said:
The problem with JW was he was basically a dick to the community as well. He basically told players loyal to the franchise,

"This is the best way D3 should be and you're an idiot if you don't like it."

Of course players are going to respond in kind.
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Pretty much this. I was even appalled when I heard him say it.

"One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself."

And, he got exactly that. He treated others like dirt, and he gets treated in kind.

This may be a norm in the industry to treat gamers like idiots or just to milk them for money, but even a good business should know how to properly treat their own customers. If not, they'll risk losing customers. If I ran a game company, I would not want to do anything that'll alienate my own customers or turn them away.
 
dremic said:
well he is the professional.. and the community is not.

imagine having a group of people knit picking every little thing you do at work all the time.

i wouldve been a way bigger douche
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Yea hes reeeeaaaaaal professional. He acted like a child when he get very constructive and insightful criticism from one of the original Diablo developers. The game is far better off without him, too little too late though.
 
soulesschild said:
The problem with JW was he was basically a dick to the community as well. He basically told players loyal to the franchise,

"This is the best way D3 should be and you're an idiot if you don't like it."

Of course players are going to respond in kind.
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I wasn't aware of this. Was this on twitter or something?

I still think the talent system in D3 wasn't that bad to be honest. I didn't feel like that was the issue with the game.

The itemization system and RMAH was more of an issue. Plus the length of the over all game to me just felt shorter although I am comparing it to D2 plus the xpac.
 
ChedWick said:
Yea hes reeeeaaaaaal professional. He acted like a child when he get very constructive and insightful criticism from one of the original Diablo developers. The game is far better off without him, too little too late though.
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yes I'm sure you couldve done a much better job.


give it a rest kid.
 
Not living this one down man.

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From: http://www.gamerevolution.com/news/blizzard-cco-responds-to-joy-over-jay-wilson-leaving-diablo-3-team-17039
As much flak as Wilson has taken for Diablo 3's shortcomings, it was his reaction to criticism from David Brevik that has painted him as a bright, red target. No amount of apologizing or other team members sticking up for him can rectify saying "f**k that loser" to another developer, let alone the original Diablo creator.
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http://www.ign.com/blogs/solemnone/2012/08/20/jay-wilson-to-david-blevik-f-that-loser
 
roaf85 said:
Man when did it become socially acceptable for this.

And we wonder why people leave some of the best content creators left the profession.

You guys act like you just hired a contractor and paid him hundreds of not 1000s of dollars and he fucked something up. By the way this happens all the time.

This is a 60 dollar game purchase with a free demo. If you don't like something don't buy it.
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No just no, they have too much experience to fuck that game up so bad, they are not even a shadow of the former company.

If something is bad we should shit all over it fuck them, you seem to think nothing should be said so more people funnel their money into that atrocious game.
 
roaf85 said:
I wasn't aware of this. Was this on twitter or something?

I still think the talent system in D3 wasn't that bad to be honest. I didn't feel like that was the issue with the game.

The itemization system and RMAH was more of an issue. Plus the length of the over all game to me just felt shorter although I am comparing it to D2 plus the xpac.
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no, it wasn't on twitter or anywhere else because it didn't happen.

what did happen was someone interviewed one of the original diablo developers who was talking shit about Blizzard and how they can't and don't compare to the Blizzard North team and D3 is what you naturally end up with.

Wilson responded on twitter with "fuck that loser" and now it's being twisted in this thread and presumably elsewhere that he was dissing the playerbase as if Brevik stands for the players or that any of us playing and enjoying D3 actually give a shit about Brevik's opinion regarding Blizzard talent as it currently exists.
 
LeninGHOLA said:
Yea, we could have just copied a lot Diablo 2 and gave it updated graphics. The problem is that D3 just isn't very fun.
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and diablo 2 was? I may not play diablo 3 at all any more, and I think the hype ruined it for me a bit. but no matter what it was way tighter then sitting in a Bael run 80 times over.

nostalgia and terrible memories have allowed you to place these classic games on a pedestal. is diablo 2 a classic? fuck yeah dude ill play through on normal right now and still enjoy it. would an identical game survive nowadays fuck no.
 
dremic said:
and diablo 2 was? I may not play diablo 3 at all any more, and I think the hype ruined it for me a bit. but no matter what it was way tighter then sitting in a Bael run 80 times over.

nostalgia and terrible memories have allowed you to place these classic games on a pedestal. is diablo 2 a classic? fuck yeah dude ill play through on normal right now and still enjoy it. would an identical game survive nowadays fuck no.
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How was speedfarming in D3 any different than doing Baal runs?

My memory is far from terrible, nor is my like for Diablo 2 based on nostalgia. I actually prefer the first game.

Would a game that's essentially the same as D2 work well today? Path of Exile seems to be the #1 aRPG out there right now as far as playerbase goes, so yes. It has differences, but the core elements that made D2 fun are still there.
 
dremic said:
and diablo 2 was? I may not play diablo 3 at all any more, and I think the hype ruined it for me a bit. but no matter what it was way tighter then sitting in a Bael run 80 times over.

nostalgia and terrible memories have allowed you to place these classic games on a pedestal. is diablo 2 a classic? fuck yeah dude ill play through on normal right now and still enjoy it. would an identical game survive nowadays fuck no.
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2 of my buddys have good points. I like Dremic's logic and my head agrees with this. I tried playing Diablo 2 and it is all just nostalgia. I never play for more than a day or so.

However my heart is playing the shit out of Path of Exile right now and it feels exactly like a Diablo 2 clone, to the T. Would I pay 60 for it? Probably I see it as a game I could play for months.
 
mope54 said:
no, it wasn't on twitter or anywhere else because it didn't happen.

what did happen was someone interviewed one of the original diablo developers who was talking shit about Blizzard and how they can't and don't compare to the Blizzard North team and D3 is what you naturally end up with.

Wilson responded on twitter with "fuck that loser" and now it's being twisted in this thread and presumably elsewhere that he was dissing the playerbase as if Brevik stands for the players or that any of us playing and enjoying D3 actually give a shit about Brevik's opinion regarding Blizzard talent as it currently exists.
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Figures. Thanks for clearing that up. Amazing how much misinformation gets passed around by butt hurt gamers. Its like a game of "telephone"
 
roaf85 said:
Man when did it become socially acceptable for this.

And we wonder why people leave some of the best content creators left the profession.

You guys act like you just hired a contractor and paid him hundreds of not 1000s of dollars and he fucked something up. By the way this happens all the time.

This is a 60 dollar game purchase with a free demo. If you don't like something don't buy it.
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Please. People have been this crass since forever. The only difference is the Internet is a greater enabler of it.

People also become deeply (and way to invested) in franchises. Its no surprise everyone was pretty happy Jay moved on , he made a lot of very poor choices that negatively impact the Diablo experience.

Intelligent developers understand where the line is between them and the fans (Notch is a prime example) and also understand how delicate the relationship is between them. When a developer acts as reckless as Jay did with a beloved franchise like Diablo , its not surprising so much hate poured in.

Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk both left the gaming industry because of many reasons but its true the reactions from Mass Effect fans and very negative ones at that were apart of the reason. And again there are some valid points to be made on how Mass Effect 3 didn't maintain its promise of a player evolved and conscripted ending. Every ending in ME3 involved the similar scenario and even after Bioware altered slightly some of those endings , fans felt that they weren't offered a choice in the matter when "choice" was supposedly sold to them from the beginning.

If you are going to be apart of a big gaming franchise , you simply need to grow a thicker layer of skin if you wanna survive.
 
Godmachine said:
Please. People have been this crass since forever. The only difference is the Internet is a greater enabler of it.

People also become deeply (and way to invested) in franchises. Its no surprise everyone was pretty happy Jay moved on , he made a lot of very poor choices that negatively impact the Diablo experience.

Intelligent developers understand where the line is between them and the fans (Notch is a prime example) and also understand how delicate the relationship is between them. When a developer acts as reckless as Jay did with a beloved franchise like Diablo , its not surprising so much hate poured in.

Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk both left the gaming industry because of many reasons but its true the reactions from Mass Effect fans and very negative ones at that were apart of the reason. And again there are some valid points to be made on how Mass Effect 3 didn't maintain its promise of a player evolved and conscripted ending. Every ending in ME3 involved the similar scenario and even after Bioware altered slightly some of those endings , fans felt that they weren't offered a choice in the matter when "choice" was supposedly sold to them from the beginning.

If you are going to be apart of a big gaming franchise , you simply need to grow a thicker layer of skin if you wanna survive.
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Well put and yes I was thinking of Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk, however it wasn't just criticism, the writers were getting death threats etc.

You are right though and I don't think anyone could have said it better for 60 dollars people are way too invested into these franchises and the internet is an outlet for this.

I just wish instead of people wasting the FTC or the BBB's time they would just stick to not purchases the game. Regardless of how shitty Mass Effect 3 was people still bought the game enough to warrant a sequel.
 
roaf85 said:
Well put and yes I was thinking of Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk, however it wasn't just criticism, the writers were getting death threats etc.

You are right though and I don't think anyone could have said it better for 60 dollars people are way too invested into these franchises and the internet is an outlet for this.

I just wish instead of people wasting the FTC or the BBB's time they would just stick to not purchases the game. Regardless of how shitty Mass Effect 3 was people still bought the game enough to warrant a sequel.
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I fully agree. I still enjoyed ME3 quite a bit and even replayed it. I still do not like the ending options but the game on its own merits is still fun.

Passion and Hobbies are sometimes a dangerous mix I guess.
 
roaf85 said:
Well put and yes I was thinking of Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk, however it wasn't just criticism, the writers were getting death threats etc.

You are right though and I don't think anyone could have said it better for 60 dollars people are way too invested into these franchises and the internet is an outlet for this.

I just wish instead of people wasting the FTC or the BBB's time they would just stick to not purchases the game. Regardless of how shitty Mass Effect 3 was people still bought the game enough to warrant a sequel.
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Put it this way: The Bioware dudes stirred the nest when they openly invited that kind of fanbase into their community. BSN at one point was the creepiest, most angry forum I'd ever seen. Cut out the weird alien romances and stop pandering to a fanbase that may not have all their marbles together and you have a much better community.

Jay Wilson did something similar. He tried to open the genre up to all sorts of people. One group, the Diablo purists, foamed at the mouth because he changed the formula, the other group foamed at the mouth because they were that same batch of crazies the Bioware guys already stirred up. He created his own demons with tits realm of terROAR.
 
People deserved better than that sh*tstorm of a game Jay Wilson and Blizzard released. If you don't believe it then I suggest you watch some of the pre-release videos going back a couple years to what they promised/said and what was actually released. You don't need to be a rabid fan boy to see the unfinished dumbed down short game that went to retail. This is coming from someone who actually still thinks they can fix D3. $60 isn't the issue, its what the said they were going to release and the attitude of "we know best" what you like so here is the candy land version. Apparently not because they sure are scrambling now to keep players. though! :)
 
pcjunkie said:
People deserved better than that sh*tstorm of a game Jay Wilson and Blizzard released. If you don't believe it then I suggest you watch some of the pre-release videos going back a couple years to what they promised/said and what was actually released. You don't need to be a rabid fan boy to see the unfinished dumbed down short game that went to retail. This is coming from someone who actually still thinks they can fix D3. $60 isn't the issue, its what the said they were going to release and the attitude of "we know best" what you like so here is the candy land version. Apparently not because they sure are scrambling now to keep players. though! :)
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There was open beta and demos pretty much from the last month leading up to release. I played the first act and up to lvl 10 before I even bought the game. To me the first act was probably the best part of the game. It led me to buy the game.
 
I just hope now that Jay left we see more improvements and diversity going forward. They need to release an xpack pronto!
 
pcjunkie said:
I just hope now that Jay left we see more improvements and diversity going forward. They need to release an xpack pronto!
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Even if they have an xpack I don't see myself bothering with it. Just isn't fun like D1/2 was too me.
 
demingo said:
You make some excellent points about how people don't vote with their wallets. The same problem exists with DLC. As hated as it is, it keeps selling so they will keep making. I do have to call BS on one thing you mention though.

You said Wow got nerfed... This is far from the truth. Most people who complain about Wow being too easy actually have never beat the most difficult content.

For example, 209 guilds in the entire world have finished the current content on the hardest difficulty. Lets assume they are all 25 man guild (which they are not) that would be slightly over 5000 players out of about 10 million. Thats less than 1% of the people who play Wow have actually beat the highest difficulty.

Yea, game is toooo easy.
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If that's all your basing your shitty defense on I'm very sorry. Why the hell would people want to go out of their way just to do the same damned raid, except on a harder difficulty? I raided hardcore in TBC, and to be brutally honest: The new raid designs are shitty as hell. Probably the worst raids in WoW, period.

Frankly, raiding hardcore right now is worthless. I wouldn't be surprised if the number keeps falling.
 
roaf85 said:
Figures. Thanks for clearing that up. Amazing how much misinformation gets passed around by butt hurt gamers. Its like a game of "telephone"
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You can read or watch the interview here.
http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/co...vid-brevik-discusses-his-feelings-on-diablo-3

And Wilson, and other employees, response here on facebook. Some else posted this a few post that way ^
http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/diablo-3-developers-react-angrily-to-dave-brevik-interview

I don't feel like Brevik was out of line or talking shit. He basically said he would have done things differently and a lot of people agreed with him. Wilson was childish in his response and so were the other blizzard employees.
 
dremic said:
and diablo 2 was? I may not play diablo 3 at all any more, and I think the hype ruined it for me a bit. but no matter what it was way tighter then sitting in a Bael run 80 times over.

nostalgia and terrible memories have allowed you to place these classic games on a pedestal. is diablo 2 a classic? fuck yeah dude ill play through on normal right now and still enjoy it. would an identical game survive nowadays fuck no.
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JW, is that you?

He gave a whole interview basically saying 'D2 was a great game but it sucked actually and I am giving you a better one. Anyone who thinks differently is suffering from nostalgia and terrible memories.'

Yeah.. like ppl would have bought the game if it didn't have diablo title and bliz logo in the first place.
 
I'm pretty sure if Jay Wilson went up to the Activision/blizzard executives and said "I want to make D3 just like D2 but better" They'd respond with "But how will that make us rich..er?" or better yet they'd just say "MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY" Until he said a better Idea something along the lines of "I want to make D3 a treasure hunt game where we get 15% of all treasure%

Rule 1 : Make money
Rule 2 : Remember Rule 1
 
stevedave said:
I'm pretty sure if Jay Wilson went up to the Activision/blizzard executives and said "I want to make D3 just like D2 but better" They'd respond with "But how will that make us rich..er?" or better yet they'd just say "MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY" Until he said a better Idea something along the lines of "I want to make D3 a treasure hunt game where we get 15% of all treasure%

Rule 1 : Make money
Rule 2 : Remember Rule 1
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True, though D2 is one of the top selling games of all time, and is mostly responsible for the success of the third. Of course WoW had quite a bit to do with it, too.
 
dremic said:
well he is the professional.. and the community is not.

imagine having a group of people knit picking every little thing you do at work all the time.

i wouldve been a way bigger douche
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You pull shit like JW did in any other job and you'd get fired.

"Oh this software I wrote is the best piece of software I've ever written, fuck what the clients want! They're a buncha idiots!"

:rolleyes:

Yea I deal with angry clients and idiots all the time, do I publicly lash out at them? No. I just shut the fuck up and take my paycheck. Sure I'll bitch about them internally, but never externally.
 
Also in no way did Brevik bash on the D3 team as bad as they did to him on Chris Haga's facebook page. The way I read Brevik's interview was more honest feedback. If saying something like,

"Oh their culture is very different from ours and they chose to do a different path than our team would have" is talking shit then damn, I'd ask you to take a look at the many forum posts with angry posts about D3.....lol
 
He made a shit sandwich of a game, told people to fuck off when they suggested he improve the recipe, and then quit when he was forced to eat it. Maybe he'll stop developing games forever and go on to a career that better suits someone with his attitude.
 
soulesschild said:
Also in no way did Brevik bash on the D3 team as bad as they did to him on Chris Haga's facebook page. The way I read Brevik's interview was more honest feedback. If saying something like,

"Oh their culture is very different from ours and they chose to do a different path than our team would have" is talking shit then damn, I'd ask you to take a look at the many forum posts with angry posts about D3.....lol
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In the interview linked a few posts before yours, Brevik said when Blizzard North shut down Blizzard lost a lot of talent and was left with people who don't know how to make a good RPG and he's a little glad the game has been met with such angry responses because that demonstrates how important Blizzard North was to Blizzard.


It might look polite and professional in its delivery but he still saying that the current team doesn't know what they're doing and he's happy about their failure because it vindicates his team after they were shut down, which all in all in a monumentally disrespectful way to talk about the Blizzard talent in Irvine.
 
soulesschild said:
You pull shit like JW did in any other job and you'd get fired.

"Oh this software I wrote is the best piece of software I've ever written, fuck what the clients want! They're a buncha idiots!"

:rolleyes:

Yea I deal with angry clients and idiots all the time, do I publicly lash out at them? No. I just shut the fuck up and take my paycheck. Sure I'll bitch about them internally, but never externally.
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In that interview he was saying fuck the that David Brevik guy. I doubt he would get fired for that.
 
mope54 said:
In the interview linked a few posts before yours, Brevik said when Blizzard North shut down Blizzard lost a lot of talent and was left with people who don't know how to make a good RPG and he's a little glad the game has been met with such angry responses because that demonstrates how important Blizzard North was to Blizzard.


It might look polite and professional in its delivery but he still saying that the current team doesn't know what they're doing and he's happy about their failure because it vindicates his team after they were shut down, which all in all in a monumentally disrespectful way to talk about the Blizzard talent in Irvine.
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This is true. I still stand by David Brevik's statement though. They lost a lot of talent when that studio shut down.

Why does he care what the D3 people think of him. He is president of his own company and probably a sought after developer. The best job that current team is going to get is the Blizzard gig.

No offense but look at Chris Haga's friends. That Parker guy doesn't even work in the games industry. Haga is with an unproven indie developer (read I hated working at Blizzard) and Jay Wilson probably took a career ending or demotion in a lateral move.

If anything that David Brevik guy moved up securing a 10 year licensing deal with one of the most profitable movie studios in the last 10 years.
 
roaf85 said:
No offense but look at Chris Haga's friends. That Parker guy doesn't even work in the games industry. Haga is with an unproven indie developer (read I hated working at Blizzard) and Jay Wilson probably took a career ending or demotion in a lateral move.
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Chris is working with Riot Games and started working on an indie project with some buddies. He stopped working at Blizzard in 2011 and posted that his feeling were hurt by Brevik's comments in 2012. I'm not sure how you conclude that he hated working at Blizzard as the timeline doesn't support anything of the sort. He was part of the graphics design team for D3...he didn't quit, his contract ended when the project was complete.

Wilson is definitely not in a career ending position nor any kind of demotion. I'm not sure why you are speculating about this other than believing a lot of negative commentary from people trying to stir up. Here's an actual blue post on D3 forums from Rob Pardo (Chief Creative Officer):
I’m the only person in this thread who has actually worked with Jay. I hired Jay to head up the Diablo project and had the pleasure of getting to work with him, both in building the team and designing the game. He has great design instincts and has added so much to the franchise with his feel for visceral combat, boss battles, and an unparalleled knack for making it fun to smash bad guys. I’ve worked with many, many designers at Blizzard and Jay is one of the best. He has a great career at Blizzard ahead of him and I guarantee that you will enjoy Jay’s game designs in future Blizzard games.
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http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/7592242994?page=106#2104
 
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