Windows 8 Sales Hit 60M Since Launch

Configuration files are scripts; JavaScript is native code; Will Smith and Alfonso Ribeiro are the same person.

It's one hell of a topsy-turvy world in heatlessville.
 
wonderfield said:
Configuration files are scripts; JavaScript is native code; Will Smith and Alfonso Ribeiro are the same person.

It's one hell of a topsy-turvy world in heatlessville.
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I love how he puts words in other peoples mouths, yet denies things he actually said just ten posts back. :rolleyes:
 
Red Falcon said:
No, Linux does not require scripting to accomplish anything, unlike Windows 8.
Again, everything can be done through a terminal to accomplish what one wants.

And no, a terminal is not the same as scripting, just fyi.
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Requiring something isn't the same thing as actually needing it making a task vastly simpler. Certainly one would build scripts or use some type of tool to automate a build process, a cron job or scheduled task, system maintenance plan, anything that one would want to be repeatable. It would have nothing to do with the OS per se. As for Windows 8, the script I provided as I said isn't actually necessary, however it's certainly easier than manually repeating those steps over and over each time I wanted to build that particular shortcut.
 
wonderfield said:
Configuration files are scripts; JavaScript is native code; Will Smith and Alfonso Ribeiro are the same person.

It's one hell of a topsy-turvy world in heatlessville.
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Configuration files are often generated through scripting or some type of templating system. In any case what I was pointing out was a situation where a configuration file and a script did analogous things and that's not exactly uncommon.
 
Its funny how people try to fight the numbers and call it a flop just because they dont like it :) what was that apple?3 million copies sold ?lol
 
heatlesssun said:
Requiring something isn't the same thing as actually needing it making a task vastly simpler. Certainly one would build scripts or use some type of tool to automate a build process, a cron job or scheduled task, system maintenance plan, anything that one would want to be repeatable.
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I agree with a script making things easier for specialized tasks.
But not for adjusting the GUI, and when a script is required to do so, as does Windows 8, the OS is a failure and has severely regressed in functionality.


It would have nothing to do with the OS per se.
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That's not at all what you said a few posts back.
Do you have short-term amnesia, or are you just in constant denial?

I find it funny how you are constantly flip-flopping your thoughts and ideas when others are calling you out on your bullshit and lack of knowledge in these areas.
I also find it funny that you put words in others' mouths that they didn't say, and make up bullshit to make it look like they did.

As for Windows 8, the script I provided as I said isn't actually necessary, however it's certainly easier than manually repeating those steps over and over each time I wanted to build that particular shortcut.
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That's our point.
Why should all of these steps be taken when the option should simply be built in?

This is why third party apps like Start8 are needed at this point just to make Windows 8 functional, especially with a keyboard and mouse.
It's pathetic that Microsoft couldn't have just included a "theme" like what Start8 does, with Windows 8, especially for non-tablet users.
 
gokuz said:
Its funny how people try to fight the numbers and call it a flop just because they dont like it :) what was that apple?3 million copies sold ?lol
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I don't think MS likes the current numbers. It's definitely not an instant hit like Windows 7 even selling at a discount rate for a Pro upgrade.
 
Red Falcon said:
That's our point.
Why should all of these steps be taken when the option should simply be built in?

This is why third party apps like Start8 are needed at this point just to make Windows 8 functional, especially with a keyboard and mouse.
It's pathetic that Microsoft couldn't have just included a "theme" like what Start8 does, with Windows 8, especially for non-tablet users.
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I doubt he will ever get that point. He would have to understand why MS allows booting into the desktop on Windows 2012. If the Start Menu is so awesome why does MS allow an admin to bypass that at log on? Even after installing the desktop experience, MS still allows booting straight to the desktop via a registry fix. It seems like such a minor option that should be built in.

Even allowing Aero, which isn't rocket science, is forbidden. Now you got me started again. :D
 
Red Falcon said:
I agree with a script making things easier for specialized tasks.
But not for adjusting the GUI, and when a script is required to do so, as does Windows 8, the OS is a failure and has severely regressed in functionality.



That's not at all what you said a few posts back.
Do you have short-term amnesia, or are you just in constant denial?

I find it funny how you are constantly flip-flopping your thoughts and ideas when others are calling you out on your bullshit and lack of knowledge in these areas.
I also find it funny that you put words in others' mouths that they didn't say, and make up bullshit to make it look like they did.


That's our point.
Why should all of these steps be taken when the option should simply be built in?

This is why third party apps like Start8 are needed at this point just to make Windows 8 functional, especially with a keyboard and mouse.
It's pathetic that Microsoft couldn't have just included a "theme" like what Start8 does, with Windows 8, especially for non-tablet users.
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Ok, we get it, you hate windows 8. Seriously half this thread is you bitching about how hard it is to change from speakers to headphones, and the whole OS is a failure. We have heard you repeat yourself multiple times on every page, loud and clear. So stick with 7 or linux or whatever OS you think works best and stop spamming the forum with your useless, uninformative and repetitive posts... For all of your talk about heatless you are 10 times worse. He at least posts actual information and tries to help with issues instead of just saying "omgzroz windows 8 is the worste thing microsoft created EVAR!!!!"
 
Biznatch said:
Ok, we get it, you hate windows 8. Seriously half this thread is you bitching about how hard it is to change from speakers to headphones, and the whole OS is a failure. We have heard you repeat yourself multiple times on every page, loud and clear.
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Are you kidding me?
This whole thread has been heatlesssun shoving is ill-conceived opinions down our throats.

So stick with 7 or linux or whatever OS you think works best
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I will, thanks.

and stop spamming the forum with your useless, uninformative and repetitive posts... For all of your talk about heatless you are 10 times worse. He at least posts actual information and tries to help with issues instead of just saying "omgzroz windows 8 is the worste thing microsoft created EVAR!!!!"
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What exactly have you posted in this thread? Oh yeah, nothing but a single bitch post about me.
At least I'm not posting incorrect information about scripts that aren't really scripts and how every other OS outside of Windows needs scripts to alter the GUI. :rolleyes:

Whatever heatless-fanboi #4. :rolleyes:
 
Red Falcon said:
Are you kidding me?
This whole thread has been heatlesssun shoving is ill-conceived opinions down our throats.


I will, thanks.


What exactly have you posted in this thread? Oh yeah, nothing but a single bitch post about me.
At least I'm not posting incorrect information about scripts that aren't really scripts and how every other OS outside of Windows needs scripts to alter the GUI. :rolleyes:

Whatever heatless-fanboi #4. :rolleyes:
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Yes everyone calling you out for shitting everywhere in the thread is a heatless fanboi. :rolleyes: You dont like it, messaged recieved, now find another windows thread to piss on.

You're just as bad as heatless. Its like neither of you can quit until you convince the other the error of their ways. Works really well...
 
Disposed said:
Yes everyone calling you out for shitting everywhere in the thread is a heatless fanboi. :rolleyes: You dont like it, messaged recieved, now find another windows thread to piss on.

You're just as bad as heatless. Its like neither of you can quit until you convince the other the error of their ways. Works really well...
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"Everyone calling me out"?
I didn't realize Biznatch was everyone. :rolleyes:

You should take a look at all of these threads, people who call heatlesssun out vs. people who call me out is more like a 20:1 ratio.
If you like learning about "scripts" and Microsoft PR from heat, you should subscribe to his posts, and enjoy the free cool-aid.
 
Disposed said:
Yes everyone calling you out for shitting everywhere in the thread is a heatless fanboi. :rolleyes: You dont like it, messaged recieved, now find another windows thread to piss on.

You're just as bad as heatless. Its like neither of you can quit until you convince the other the error of their ways. Works really well...
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When you're right you're right. I posted a script in response to a specific issue that MikeTrike had pointed out and that I have passed along several times that others have found useful so I'm simply passed it along again and I should never gotten involved in yet another totally irrelevant Linux point in these threads.

However the nature and point of this script was being completely mischaracterized from a technical standpoint. This script it not specific Windows 8, it merely creates a shortcut in the file system and does exactly the same thing on Windows 7 and provides even in Windows 7 a quick way to get to the Sound Control Panel applet from the Start Menu, so it even could be useful to Windows 7 users. Furthermore this shortcut can be created without this script through the GUI and that process is identical between Windows 7 and 8.
 
heatlesssun said:
When you're right you're right. I posted a script in response to a specific issue that MikeTrike had pointed out and that I have passed along several times that others have found useful so I'm simply passed it along again and I should never gotten involved in yet another totally irrelevant Linux point in these threads.
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You know what the problem is?
You know know absolutely nothing about Linux, yet continue to make blanket statements about it that aren't even remotely in the realm of reality.

Everyone who has been posting here knows quite a bit about Windows 8, which *gasp* entitles us to our opinions of it.
I'm glad your script works, but my point was that when an OS needs scripting to simply alter something in the GUI, then something is seriously wrong and the OS has regressed; yet you continue to ignore this fact again and again.

You continue to dance around these facts, put words in others mouths, then make statements that you didn't say things, when, you indeed did only a few posts back.
You know what the difference is between you and I?

I will at least admit when I've been proven wrong and will be a man about it, and have done so time and time again, even with you.
You on the other hand, want to mass-ban everyone and start calling people 'cowards', 'assholes', and other derogatory names when you can no longer defend your nonsense.
 
heatlesssun said:
Configuration files are often generated through scripting or some type of templating system.
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Anything that can be generated via a script is itself a script. By that same logic, anything that can be formed by a human hand is itself a human hand.

I could be mistaken, but I think we've just solved all the mysteries of the universe. Now to tackle that pesky Will Smith/Alfonso Ribeiro issue...
 
heatlesssun said:
When you're right you're right. I posted a script in response to a specific issue that MikeTrike had pointed out and that I have passed along several times that others have found useful so I'm simply passed it along again and I should never gotten involved in yet another totally irrelevant Linux point in these threads.
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Don't mention Linux next time. Unlike you, some of us use Linux everyday.
 
KENNYB said:
Don't mention Linux next time. Unlike you, some of us use Linux everyday.
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I'm not the one that's constantly brining up Linux in threads that have nothing to do with Linux. Your advice would be put to better use with other folks.
 
I think the fact that heat refuses to talk about anything we consistently bring up and point out, flaws of Win 8 or not, just shows his denial and/or lack of knowledge of the subject at hand.

Disposed and Biznatch, when heatlesssun finally addresses the issues I've brought up and is willing to discuss them, then I'll let it go.
Until then, don't act like his alt. accounts or fanboys, it's not good for your image. ;)
 
heatlesssun said:
I'm not the one that's constantly brining up Linux in threads that have nothing to do with Linux. Your advice would be put to better use with other folks.
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Well, you did with the comparison of scripting, which was incorrect all together.
The difference is that we actually know a lot about Linux AND Windows 8, therefore we can talk about both without calling out each others' bullshit, unlike you.

The only advice I can give you is to start addressing the issues given and stop with the whole "it's a generic Windows 8 hate statement" when we are clearly not hating on Win 8, but pointing out the flaws in it and your logic.
 
heatlesssun said:
Depending on the task at hand any OS will require a script or programmatic method to accomplish the goal and as I pointed out this particular customization isn't specific to Windows 8, it works in any version from XP and there's no way to do it directly through the GUI even in prior versions of Windows. Linux proponents constantly point out the flexibility and customizability of Linux is and much of that is accomplished with scripts and/or code.

It would seem that you are attacking every OS there is because there's always things that can be achieved with scripts that can't be done otherwise.
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heatlesssun said:
I'm not the one that's constantly brining up Linux in threads that have nothing to do with Linux. Your advice would be put to better use with other folks.
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I bring this up to you because you again use general statements regarding other operating systems. You are fond of telling us how you've used Windows for X amount of years on Y hardware. Now the shoe is on the other foot. We have been using Linux for years and reading the above made me choke on my morning hot chocolate.
 
Well, the fact that a script is required to edit the GUI of Windows 8 is just ludicrous.
Why couldn't this functionality be built in?

Hell, Windows XP/Vista/7 had more built-in functions and customization options than Windows 8 has.


You are fond of telling us how you've used Windows for X amount of years on Y hardware. Now the shoe is on the other foot.
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I know, his high-and-mighty "experience" argument is getting really old.
 
Red Falcon said:
Well, the fact that a script is required to edit the GUI of Windows 8 is just ludicrous.
Why couldn't this functionality be built in?
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Because it is built in perhaps. Really, what is the point of this conversation now? I've already pointed out that this:

set WshShell = WScript.CreateObject("WScript.Shell")
strStartMenu = WshShell.SpecialFolders("StartMenu")
set oShellLink = WshShell.CreateShortcut(strStartMenu & "\Sound.lnk")
oShellLink.TargetPath = "%systemroot%\System32\control.exe "
oShellLink.Arguments = "mmsys.cpl sounds"
oShellLink.WindowStyle = 1
oShellLink.IconLocation = "%systemroot%\System32\mmsys.cpl,7"
oShellLink.Description = "Sounds"
oShellLink.WorkingDirectory = "%systemroot%\System32\"
oShellLink.Save
Set oShellLink = Nothing
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can be done in File/Windows Explorer and that it functions identically in Windows 7 & 8 on both the GUI and script sides and the end result is a shortcut in the user specific Start Menu directory. If you're going to ignore technical specifics and not provide anything to counter other than the same incorrect statement, there's simply nothing else to say about the subject. Why not find something else to talk about?:confused:
 
Disclaimer - The following post contains made up numbers that are meant to illustrate a point only. The actual numbers are something MS obviously would have to disclose.

The thing I keep pointing out about Win 8 when it comes to numbers is the huge price gap between it and Win 7. Sure it might be selling largely the same number of copies as Win 7, but when you ax the price drastically, you need to sell far more. So for argument let us assume that OEM licenses are priced identically (Reasonable assumption) And that they make up 75% of the total volume of sales for both. With them both trending at 60m copies at this point, Leaving 15 million or so "Retail/upgrades". Now of course the averages would require the exact break down of the various versions, but let us just call the lowest price point the average. This actually would arguably be more in Win 8's favor.

So Win 8 had a spectacular sale (still going) where you could upgrade for $15. While Win 7 At its absolute lowest was $50, but realistically $99. We will use the lowest as this is pure example.

So Win 8
15m copies at $15 = $225m

Win 7
15m copies at $50 = $750m

While $225m is no laughing number, for a company as large as MS it isn't exactly stellar. Obviously the actual breakdown would be different, though I doubt seriously it would look any more favorable for Win 8. If anything I tried to give it far more benefit of the doubt than I should of. In order for win8 to be considered a success volume wise, It would need to be selling in the neighborhood of 180m copies at this point, instead of the 60m currently. This also lends to the argument that if Win 8 had come in at the same price points of Win 7, that it would be selling abysmally bad at this point.

US: Windows 7 Home Premium ($49.99) and Windows 7 Professional ($99.99)
Canada: Windows 7 Home Premium ($64.99) and Windows 7 Professional ($124.99)
Japan: Windows 7 Home Premium (�7,407) and Windows 7 Professional (�14,073)
UK: Windows 7 Home Premium (�49.99) and Windows 7 Professional (�99.99)
France and Germany: Windows 7 Home Premium (�49.99) and Windows 7 Professional (�109.99)
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Win 7 launch day prices..People would of laughed their asses off had MS tried to push win 8 at those prices.

So even trying to skew the numbers in favor of Win 8, sales look utterly terrible for it. This is something people continually ignore. Volume isn't the whole picture and is honestly misleading.
 
Dekoth-E- said:
While $225m is no laughing number, for a company as large as MS it isn't exactly stellar. Obviously the actual breakdown would be different, though I doubt seriously it would look any more favorable for Win 8. If anything I tried to give it far more benefit of the doubt than I should of. In order for win8 to be considered a success volume wise, It would need to be selling in the neighborhood of 180m copies at this point, instead of the 60m currently. This also lends to the argument that if Win 8 had come in at the same price points of Win 7, that it would be selling abysmally bad at this point.
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It seems to me MS is more interested in install base than anything else with this Windows because of their new metrosexual environment and app store. Where previously, MS would have been content to make money off the OS itself, this time they'd be happier just to have a lot of people using it. Now, these numbers are still 1 step disconnected from actual install base, but none the less, I think that's what they're going for.

It's kind of like...

"Hey, we know you don't really like it... but it's cheap! And all your friends are going to be using it. Oh, and look, there's an app store over there as well, perhaps you should check that out..."
 
I upgraded windows 7 for $40, and people who bought recent machines also had I think 10 or 15$ upgrade options. This was a pre order available to anyone. Also you had a plethora of family packs that would bring the average price down to $40. This does not count the student deals for $30. I never paid more than $40 for any

I think people who are blinded by their agendas be it hate or windows 8 or love of linux are trying to make mountains out of mole hills.

The facts are simple, the desktop OS landscape is changing, one of the big changes is the move to lower the price of the OS itself. Windows 7 had tons of options to get the OS for way cheaper than I could get Vista, should we all sit around and say windows 7 sucked and the only reason it sold more was because it was cheaper? What you are seeing is something else its the recognition by MS that the OS price just has to come down now days and they are slowly executing that through multiple OS releases.

There is no going back once people get used to the prices. So these prices are not just sales to force people to buy something they do not like they represent the future direction of any OS in general given that MS through competition determines the top any company can charge for a mass market OS.

As I said before all the bitching is waste of time the only relevant arguments are is MS including sales numbers of some sort that are not actually sold or shipped items yet? We do not know the answer but we will find out soon enough.
 
rudy said:
There is no going back once people get used to the prices. So these prices are not just sales to force people to buy something they do not like they represent the future direction of any OS in general given that MS through competition determines the top any company can charge for a mass market OS.
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Do you realize that the current pricing for Win8 Pro upgrade is temporary? Sales will probably go down once the price is raised.
 
KENNYB said:
Do you realize that the current pricing for Win8 Pro upgrade is temporary? Sales will probably go down once the price is raised.
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Those sales are a tiny part of the overall sales. Like all other OS versions the vast majority of windows sales is OEM. The current pricing is to get small system builders and guys like us to bite and give it a shot.

I have no numbers but i would wager that OEM = at least 90%, The upgrade sale 8% and retail being something like 2%.
 
Thats what they said about windows 7 and they were still offering various things for a very long time, and on top of that in the context of the reply it simply does not matter because windows 7 had similar sales. Point is low price cannot explain windows 8 sales as compared to windows 7.
 
Microsoft sold an assload of WIN8 licences to OEMs (the majority of which are unsold by those OEMs), for a cutrate price as compared to WIN7. It would seem the "channel is stuffed", and not in the good way. Still curious what carrot Microsoft held in front of the big OEMs to get them on board.

Give it another quarter before we see how bad the sales and resulting financial hit is. Slow sales and lots of licences on the shelf ain't a good thing.
 
punisher said:
Microsoft sold an assload of WIN8 licences to OEMs (the majority of which are unsold by those OEMs), for a cutrate price as compared to WIN7. It would seem the "channel is stuffed", and not in the good way. Still curious what carrot Microsoft held in front of the big OEMs to get them on board.

Give it another quarter before we see how bad the sales and resulting financial hit is. Slow sales and lots of licences on the shelf ain't a good thing.
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But you do not know if that is any different than the way they reported sales for any other OS even if what you say is true.
 
rudy said:
But you do not know if that is any different than the way they reported sales for any other OS even if what you say is true.
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Even if it is the same as previous OS sales figures (which I suggest it probably is), it just means the numbers aren't significant. The numbers for W8 aren't significant, nor are the numbers for W7 significant and any comparison of W8 licence sales vs W7 licence sales is also not significant.
 
rudy said:
But you do not know if that is any different than the way they reported sales for any other OS even if what you say is true.
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Simple logic. Microsoft sold 60 million licences, and retail sales of anything with a Microsoft OS is in the dumps.

Wait a few months till you see if new touchpads give it a boost, but for now, as far as Windows 8 machines in the wild, it ain't pretty if you are partnered with Microsoft.
 
By the accounts of all of you guys no numbers are significant or have any meaning. lol pretty stupid.

So far every credible statistic I have seen shows that windows 8 at the very least is beating vista. Take into account the situation, the fact that people love windows 7, and have no pressure to upgrade, and the fact that desktops / laptops are in large decline, the fact that MS now has google an extra competitor, it really sounds like they are doing at the very least OK. Now Vista on the other hand was an OS where people had every reason to be waiting for an upgrade, there was no tablet craze at the time, Apple was the only competitor and an expensive one at that, and XP had been allowed to stagnate 5 years.

But I am sure you guys will have all your crazy reasons why nothing I say has any significance but of course you wont have any evidence to back it up. Read the numbers from the article in the OP, read this http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9234006/Windows_8_s_early_uptake_trumps_Vista_s, remember that MS increased their order for surface. lol but its all horse shit to you guys because you don't like 8.
 
rudy said:
By the accounts of all of you guys no numbers are significant or have any meaning. lol pretty stupid.
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No, some numbers are. Number of copies actually being used across a range of devices is a number I would like to see. How many copies of W7 on desktop were getting update downloads in the first couple of months vs how many W8 desktop copies, then the same for laptops and tablets. Those numbers would be significant.

Numbers of how many licences have been sold to OEMs, not significant, it doesn't matter if it's W8 or W7, that's not a number that actually represents consumer acceptance or even consumer use.
 
Tudz said:
Numbers of how many licences have been sold to OEMs, not significant, it doesn't matter if it's W8 or W7, that's not a number that actually represents consumer acceptance or even consumer use.
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Of course this number is significant because it's how Microsoft gets paid.
 
rudy said:
By the accounts of all of you guys no numbers are significant or have any meaning. lol pretty stupid.

So far every credible statistic I have seen shows that windows 8 at the very least is beating vista. Take into account the situation, the fact that people love windows 7, and have no pressure to upgrade, and the fact that desktops / laptops are in large decline, the fact that MS now has google an extra competitor, it really sounds like they are doing at the very least OK. Now Vista on the other hand was an OS where people had every reason to be waiting for an upgrade, there was no tablet craze at the time, Apple was the only competitor and an expensive one at that, and XP had been allowed to stagnate 5 years.

But I am sure you guys will have all your crazy reasons why nothing I say has any significance but of course you wont have any evidence to back it up. Read the numbers from the article in the OP, read this http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9234006/Windows_8_s_early_uptake_trumps_Vista_s, remember that MS increased their order for surface. lol but its all horse shit to you guys because you don't like 8.
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Logic eludes you doesn't it..Even in the article you posted the lead that Win 8 has over Vista is statistically insignificant. Given that Vista early on was an unmitigated disaster, that isn't saying much for Win 8. Also when you look at the undeniable fact that Win 8 is a fraction of the cost of Both Win 7 and Vista and is Still failing out at least pace win 7 , there is a problem. The entire point of my earlier post is that given the huge price disparity, Win 8 at minimum needed to be outselling Win 7 by at least double to make it profitable. Number of copies sold isn't important here, gross margin is.

Here is a highly simplified economics lesson for you since you don't get it.

Lets say I start a business selling popcorn and my goal is to make $100. The popcorn costs me $.30 to make.

if I sell the popcorn at $2 a bag, I get a gross margin of $1.70 per bag. At that gross margin I need to sell 59 bags of popcorn to make my profit goal.

Now if I want to sell popcorn really really fast and I cut my sales cost to $.75 per bag, I get a gross margin of $.45 per bag. Now at this reduced cost I sell popcorn crazy fast because it is cheap, but it takes me 223 bags to reach the same profit goal.

Now if I want to make that profit in a specified span of time, it gets more complex. So if Last year I sold 25 bags of popcorn at $2 a bag in a week and this year I sell 25 bags of popcorn at $.75 a bag in a week. According to my trend, I sold the same volume of popcorn. So if i sold the same volume, business is good right? Wrong. Because I sold the popcorn for a fraction of the cost, my actual profit is a fraction of what it was and thus the number of bags of popcorn I sold is completely irrelevant.
 
Dekoth-E- said:
Logic eludes you doesn't it..Even in the article you posted the lead that Win 8 has over Vista is statistically insignificant. Given that Vista early on was an unmitigated disaster, that isn't saying much for Win 8. Also when you look at the undeniable fact that Win 8 is a fraction of the cost of Both Win 7 and Vista and is Still failing out at least pace win 7 , there is a problem. The entire point of my earlier post is that given the huge price disparity, Win 8 at minimum needed to be outselling Win 7 by at least double to make it profitable. Number of copies sold isn't important here, gross margin is.

Here is a highly simplified economics lesson for you since you don't get it.

Lets say I start a business selling popcorn and my goal is to make $100. The popcorn costs me $.30 to make.

if I sell the popcorn at $2 a bag, I get a gross margin of $1.70 per bag. At that gross margin I need to sell 59 bags of popcorn to make my profit goal.

Now if I want to sell popcorn really really fast and I cut my sales cost to $.75 per bag, I get a gross margin of $.45 per bag. Now at this reduced cost I sell popcorn crazy fast because it is cheap, but it takes me 223 bags to reach the same profit goal.

Now if I want to make that profit in a specified span of time, it gets more complex. So if Last year I sold 25 bags of popcorn at $2 a bag in a week and this year I sell 25 bags of popcorn at $.75 a bag in a week. According to my trend, I sold the same volume of popcorn. So if i sold the same volume, business is good right? Wrong. Because I sold the popcorn for a fraction of the cost, my actual profit is a fraction of what it was and thus the number of bags of popcorn I sold is completely irrelevant.
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You're missing the bigger picture. An operating system is not a bag of popcorn.

Video game console makers have been selling their systems at a loss at launch for years (ex. Xbox, PS3). The important thing that the company gets for selling consoles and OS licenses is NOT profit. It's install base. Install base is much better for long term profitability as it gives you an audience ready to buy up products that actually do put money in your pockets and an audience less prone to using competitor products.

This is not freshman microeconomics.
 
Oh here you go again, more long explanations, lets see what more statistically insignificant, no evidence or data at all, or some data, ya pretty sure I will take some data over none at all. You remind me of all the clowns who kept saying that Romney was within a margin of error lol sorry guys just don't understand data. Finding a flaw in data does not make it irrelevant unless you can produce an equally significant piece of data that tells the exact opposite story.

Please link me to the articles that show windows 8 performing worse than vista if my data is not significant.

Once again read my above post windows 8 is not a fraction of the cost of windows 7, upgrades for windows 7 could be had for $40, $30 and family packs for $150 or less. Lets take you lack of reasoning and think about it, do you really think that people in mass are going out and spending $40 on windows 8 even though "everyone hates it" just because its cheaper than $100?

Profitability is not the whole picture if you kill your market share and that puts you in a weaker position long term. Because if all your arguments had any relevance walmart would not be the largest retailer in the world.
 
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