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hope i wasnt too mean bro. i love you. hahah
dota seriously brings out the worst in me. i can be a little harsh
i was on a serious roll these last couple days. getting like 15+ kills every game.
last night was just meh though
Ran into my first group of D-bags last night. Makes me really hate this game sometimes...
We lost our lane top... it happens, but then Mid refuses to gank before its too late. People who don't realize that this is a team game and one gank can turn a lane around drive me insane. I build my Drow ranger differently and that is all he could focus on.
Yes I played like a dumpster fire, but not trying to help an overmatched lane just makes it worse.
Oh and Medusa is broken.
We lost our lane top... it happens, but then Mid refuses to gank before its too late. People who don't realize that this is a team game and one gank can turn a lane around drive me insane. I build my Drow ranger differently and that is all he could focus on.
Yes I played like a dumpster fire, but not trying to help an overmatched lane just makes it worse.
Oh and Medusa is broken.
BiH115
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I might be inclined to try this game out for more than the 5 seconds I did play it, but I just can't stand all the ass-hats that yell at you no matter what you do. There is ZERO tolerance for new players.
New players should start their own game against passive bots in a Private Lobby. Not the most exciting games but the player should explore the map, shops, practice last-hitting, staying behind the creeps, etc. It's like learning to dribble a basketball before worrying about passing or shooting.
Unfortunately the game does not point them in this direction or offer a tutorial.
Unfortunately the game does not point them in this direction or offer a tutorial.
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Yeah that's something I've noticed with pretty much any MOBA really. God forbid someone actually try and learn to play. And from the looks of this game, it's not very easy to just pick up and go and do well unless you do some research first or you cut your teeth on a previous MOBA.
thats fine to try and learn but dude this isnt a game you can just pick up its hard and knowledge is a part of it. most people are to lazy to watch an hour worth of videos to learn everything they need to know to be good. and then put that into practice. considering an hour is how long a good dota match is thats pretty reasonable. I understand the lack of tolerance for new players. i mean some of these people seriously play like like are disabled. please just do a little research and find a friend to teach you
PRO TIPS
know your role, support with wards and if youre playing an invis character use observer wards.
map awareness... the biggest chumps are the ones who stay in their lane cause they dont notice a dude walking by with ten hp that he couldve killed within a few steps.
be at team fights
stop carrying when youre new. fecalfighter above complaining about douches but he carried and admitted to playing badly. if you are new do not play a carry because you arent good and you are gonna die a lot.
deaths are heavily punished, avoid them but that doesnt mean tower hug and leaving your team mates to die when you have full health and youre backing to the well.
skill builds are a giant part of the game. sometimes there are varieties of ways to play but generally you need to be looking at guides. there is some stupid ass builds out there and most of them are not the right build.
sometimes the suggested items arent the best route. you need to know the other teams capabilities and pick accordingly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWK2U7_MxTQ ( basics )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQn8UCNRc_U ( ward )
PRO TIPS
know your role, support with wards and if youre playing an invis character use observer wards.
map awareness... the biggest chumps are the ones who stay in their lane cause they dont notice a dude walking by with ten hp that he couldve killed within a few steps.
be at team fights
stop carrying when youre new. fecalfighter above complaining about douches but he carried and admitted to playing badly. if you are new do not play a carry because you arent good and you are gonna die a lot.
deaths are heavily punished, avoid them but that doesnt mean tower hug and leaving your team mates to die when you have full health and youre backing to the well.
skill builds are a giant part of the game. sometimes there are varieties of ways to play but generally you need to be looking at guides. there is some stupid ass builds out there and most of them are not the right build.
sometimes the suggested items arent the best route. you need to know the other teams capabilities and pick accordingly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWK2U7_MxTQ ( basics )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQn8UCNRc_U ( ward )
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It's funny because it's Valve but it's so strict compared to TF2. It takes so long to get into one map, one hero, and then leaving can put you in the shit queue even if you're playing co-op.
They should have an unrated skirmish mode where players join and leave as they please (no penalty), their hero is already maxed, can't have gold, and has equal items (BoT, Scepter, Soul Booster). But the ancients are much harder to destroy.
They should have an unrated skirmish mode where players join and leave as they please (no penalty), their hero is already maxed, can't have gold, and has equal items (BoT, Scepter, Soul Booster). But the ancients are much harder to destroy.
The real reason Dota 2 is still in "closed" Beta (not open beta or officially released) is that valve haven't perfected their newbie systems. They are well aware how hard the game is to get into, and once they have established a system for gently introducing players to the complexity that is Dota, the game will be released.
I know the (very) basics of Dota since I played it a bit on WC3. I would like to try to learn the game and get into Dota 2, but the game is extremely harsh on new players. Not to mention, the amount of elitism people display toward their teammates makes players from just about any other game out there look kind. Hell, my brother is very into LoL. He plays it all the time and has the highest ranking and whatnot, so he definitely knows how to play the genre. He even watched over an hour's worth of YouTube videos on Dota 2 basics prior to his first game. However, without knowing all of the heroes and items, even players like him will struggle (and get constantly berated by teammates). Valve REALLY needs to work on a system for new players. You shouldn't have to go watch a million videos and read through a whole wiki several times just to be able to start the game. The learning curve for this game is currently more like a learning cliff, and it shouldn't be that way.
Like Sno man has said Valve is well aware of the problems introducing new players. a tutorial and help for new players is being developed. theres also a learn section already where you can read on every heroes and they also have skill ability videos for the majority of the heroes if not all of them as well.
so if you want to play the game while its still in beta then watch the youtube videos and learn how to play, if not then wait for valve to make the tutorial and see how you do.
i have plenty of friends i converted from LoL to Dota 2 and they caught on significantly quicker then the ones that didnt. yes its very different and significantly harder but having some MOBA experiences help a lot
Well dota 2 community can be described in one picture:
It's expected that you know what you're doing and you do it flawlessly. Otherwise you should remove dota 2 yadda yadda. So it's kinda recommended to play with friends who you know and will keep their heads cool (and possibly are able to carry the team if needed).
Sadly dota 2 is awfully complex and deep game when it goes to game mechanics, there's just tons and tons of little details that have butterfly effect. Beginner friendly? Heck no. Can it be? Hardly.
Recommended read for any1 really who is interested from dota 2.
http://www.purgegamers.com/welcome-to-dota-you-suck#.UPBKFZzhaLA
It's expected that you know what you're doing and you do it flawlessly. Otherwise you should remove dota 2 yadda yadda. So it's kinda recommended to play with friends who you know and will keep their heads cool (and possibly are able to carry the team if needed).
Sadly dota 2 is awfully complex and deep game when it goes to game mechanics, there's just tons and tons of little details that have butterfly effect. Beginner friendly? Heck no. Can it be? Hardly.
Recommended read for any1 really who is interested from dota 2.
http://www.purgegamers.com/welcome-to-dota-you-suck#.UPBKFZzhaLA
BiH115
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You played your drow ranger different? Please tell me about it..
Yeah, brokenly bad. There's a lot of things to do when your lane is a total loss, and generally mid ganking it once or twice isn't actually all that high on the list....
You can....
1) Let them push the tower and static farm behind the t1
2) Have your top support or whoever is lane partner with you secure top runes and roam mid to gank mid.
3) Vision in top river, ward block the top pull for dire if you're radiant
4) Don't. Die. Ever. Seriously, if you have to sit at the tower and get 0 XP and 0 gold its better than dying. Eventually they'll push the creep wave into you and you'll be fine. Once 8 min comes around they'll start roaming and probably even forget about you. Get all the last hits you possibly can, get a HoD, dominate a creep and use it to pull jungle camps to stack, go clean that shit up and laugh at the 20 min mark with your bajillions of gold.
5) TP to protect mid/bot from tower dives. Smart TP's here means ez cleanup kills for drow. This does NOT mean TP to every fight, only if you see clear over-commitment and you can guarantee not dying and possibly getting at least 1 kill or 2 assists. Drow has ridiculous damage after level 7 with lvl 4 precision aura and ult so don't be afraid to go game.
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Seems like solid advice, int his instance my lane partner would keep getting caught and I would try to help... well this resulted in feeding until I finally said F it and moved away from the lane. But it was too late.
Only thing I disagree on is a gank... ganking from a decent mid player is huge in this game, can change it and get momentum.
Going to shit can the drow build I have tried the last few times, just going to back to the standard of max trushot aura.
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Seems like solid advice, int his instance my lane partner would keep getting caught and I would try to help... well this resulted in feeding until I finally said F it and moved away from the lane. But it was too late.
Only thing I disagree on is a gank... ganking from a decent mid player is huge in this game, can change it and get momentum.
Going to shit can the drow build I have tried the last few times, just going to back to the standard of max trushot aura.
One of the largest things you'll find that changes as you move into higher skill brackets is that it's not the mid who roams to the sidelanes to gank all the time, it's the sidelane supports that roam mid to gank.
yeah definitely. if you watch a competitive league match you will notice this happening frequently
I think if you play the game long enough, your build will be quite different than anyone else or items are completely different from the recommended.
Also, how is Medusa broken?
I think the most broken hero in game is probably Drow, Kunkka, and silencer. Kunkka's splash shouldn't be pure damage, and it's definitely over 500 distance range.
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I've been pwning Medusa quite easily. You just need fast damage. Anti-Mage has generally been the best Medusa counter for a very long time, I don't know if this is still true as I haven't looked into her yet.
One of the heroes I was playing the other day had a funny build. I'm trying to remember what I did but I don't think I ended up with a single suggested item, and I was 19-2. Maybe it was Dazzle, I tend to go combat build with him.
One of the heroes I was playing the other day had a funny build. I'm trying to remember what I did but I don't think I ended up with a single suggested item, and I was 19-2. Maybe it was Dazzle, I tend to go combat build with him.
AM is horrible now in general, they nerf him too much that it's practically useless for most part.
I would say the best counter would probably be PL or Naga.
But to be honest, I don't think Medusa is going to be a problem at all unless she is on free farm the first half of the game. She is extremely weak in first half...
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Finally Medusa is here to save the day vs Phantom Lancer.
Nothing like a free ult to shit on all your illusions.
Nothing like a free ult to shit on all your illusions.
Any recommendations for a total newbie player to learn and practice? I just got the game gifted to me a couple weeks ago, but the only DOTA style game I've played was Demigod. Fired it up for the first time the other night to see if I could create a 1vs1 against a bot to get some practice, but was having a little difficulty figuring out the menu system, so I ended up just spectating a 4vs4 match. Looks fun but complex and sometimes hectic of course.
EDIT: And now that I bothered to actually read some of the thread I see there's already quite a bit of tips
EDIT: And now that I bothered to actually read some of the thread I see there's already quite a bit of tips
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Any recommendations for a total newbie player to learn and practice? I just got the game gifted to me a couple weeks ago, but the only DOTA style game I've played was Demigod. Fired it up for the first time the other night to see if I could create a 1vs1 against a bot to get some practice, but was having a little difficulty figuring out the menu system, so I ended up just spectating a 4vs4 match. Looks fun but complex and sometimes hectic of course.
EDIT: And now that I bothered to actually read some of the thread I see there's already quite a bit of tips
didnt even know you could play 4v4.
dont bother practicing 1v1 its a game that is entirely team based. 1v1 would give you no sense of how the game actually plays
theres so much to learn its hard to give tips.
learn how to support and initiate to get a grip on the game, avoid carries. carries are heavily money dependent and often over picked due to chumps that think they're good. Its too hard to learn the game AND carry because you will most likely be dying.
learn how to properly support. that means observer wards and countering invisible heroes with sentries and dust. buying a courier etc.
learn game changing characters that are good in almost every team composition ( tidehunter, sand king, enigma, etc)
avoid all pick, its a terrible way to learn. single draft and random will allow you to get a better idea of what heroes do what
Must've been 5v5 or something then. I watched for maybe 5 minutes but I was pretty confused by what was going on.
Must've been 5v5 or something then. I watched for maybe 5 minutes but I was pretty confused by what was going on.
http://www.dota2alttab.com/
^^ alt tab guides to use in your steam browser while you play. they are decently put together and will help you enormously as you learn.
fundamental videos are clutch too especially if youve never played a MOBA game before. things like last hitting etc.
when i first started playing moba games i would get progressively worse as the games phases change these are things to look out for too you know. the game has many stages. but to put it simply theres an early laning phase, mid game, late game. the reason its important to understand these stages is because characters grow and weaken in strength as the game continues.
in that case dotafire has ones that are easier to read when you can have em open all the time.
http://www.dotafire.com/
^^ made by players and then voted on.
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I've recently become addicted to this game. I've played with a few friends of mine, and it's a lot of fun (for me anyways). I can understand how it makes people rage hard, yet you keep coming back to it. Loss after loss, and I still wouldn't give up. It's a shame people quit before they really start to learn.
My favorite hero so far by far is DAZZLE! I feel like the Hero of the Day whenever I play as him. His heal is so cool and damaging, and his bubble is vital during teamfights to deny them nuking our carry. Somehow I feel so... important as Dazzle, haha
My favorite hero so far by far is DAZZLE! I feel like the Hero of the Day whenever I play as him. His heal is so cool and damaging, and his bubble is vital during teamfights to deny them nuking our carry. Somehow I feel so... important as Dazzle, haha