Thermalright AXP-100

Source from some Chinese review. Page loads like a turtle with all the images, but is great because the images speaks for themselves. There's a bar chart and pictures of it installed in a case which I thought was a Lian-Li at first glance but appears to be just some generic knockoff.

Reading through the article, we know it fits the AsRock H77M-ITX. I am concerned over the backplate as it could potentially interfere with ICs on some motherboards. Seems like it could be a bugger installing the heatsink as it might either affect the PCI-E slot or the first RAM slot.

Bah..Wrote alot more but lost it all when page refreshed :(

TLDR, performs about 2°C better than the Samuel 17.

Read through more posts on the forums. Some mention of the Silverstone NT06-PRO being bigger and better? and something of the NH-L12 but no comparisons.
 
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Thank you for the link.
I hate it when I write a nice long bit and all of a sudden it's gone. :mad:
Could not see pics before. Appears a little better than Samuel 17 and quite a bit better than NH-L9I
 
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hoping that this was going to be the awesome cooler but it seems like it's marginally better... think I expected too much.. guess I can pretty much forget about o/c my 2500k without thermal meltdown :-D
 
Well you never know...they didnt show any results with the 140mm fan on full bore. I think it was only set to 1300 rpm to keep the noise down. An alternative that was suggested is the NT06-PRO but that wasnt tested or compared.
 
My goal was to use this with a Asrock Z77E-ITX in a CM120 and get really close to my 2500k oc that I currently have without heat issues...not sure if there will be room for a larger cooling solution without blocking the pci-e slut :p
 
jubbie said:
Well you never know...they didnt show any results with the 140mm fan on full bore. I think it was only set to 1300 rpm to keep the noise down. An alternative that was suggested is the NT06-PRO but that wasnt tested or compared.
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As I read it they tested AXP-100 with TY-100,120mm & TY-140mm fans; tested Samuel 17 with 120mm; and tested NH-L9i with NF-A9 & TY-100. The TY-100 is full speed at 2500rpm, 120mm is full speed at 1500rpm and TY-140 is full speed at 1300rpm

Their results show TY-100 giving best performance temperature using the TY-100 fan even though the TY-140 moves more air. TY-100 = 44.5cfm @2500rpm 120mm fan = 53.3cfm @ 1500rpm and TY-140 = 73.6cfm @ 1300rpm, yet their results show the TY-100 cooled better than 120mm and TY-140 in every test. TY-143 = 130cfm and will fit but I doubt it will score any better than the TY-140 does.

The cooler area is 100sq cm and TY-100 pushes air from a 71sq cm area into cooler. (area of 100mm circle minus area of 30mm motor) TY-140 series pushes air from a 146sq cm area.. 1/3 of which is outside of cooler face. I believe this airflow down sides of cooler is restricting the exhaust flow from cooler and limiting the cooling.

It is very possible a higher cfm 100mm fan would increase cooling.
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Still the AXP-100 will not be able to cool anywhere near as well as bigger coolers can regardless of what fan you use. It is a 6x 6mm heatpipe cooler with a radiator having a cooling area less than 100 x 100mm for less than 60cm total length of heatpipe radiating heat in radiator.

By comparison Silver Arrow SB-E has 16x 6mm each 12cm length in radiators for a total length of 192cm heatpipe cooling area in radiators with several times the fin area. Over 3 times the pipe and radiator area.
 
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Sound profile is also something to consider when using larger fans. I probably would take one with a slightly higher temp if its significantly lower in noise. Its a shame there isnt much of a market for these types of coolers considering the ITX form factor has been gaining popularity in more recent times.
 
I think the market share is increasing for this kind of cooler. And I agree about higher temp for quieter system.

My own 980 runs very cool (45-50c @ 950-1050rpm) will run even cooler (40-45c @ 1100-1200rpm) but why sacrifice near silence for cooler?

From what I know of Xeon E3 1230 it will run about 80c with stock cooler so AXP-100 is 8c cooler in stress test.

Using PWM control on whatever mobo I'll bet the TY-100 fan can do a very good job of cooling normal loads in the 1000-1500rpm range. Maybe less.
 
I just bought the Samuel 17 and a GELID Silent 12 PWM fan to cool an i7-3770S. I think I made the right choice, can't wait to install!

Also, that's one hell (sic) of a review from ChipHell, Awesome photos.
 
still no sitings in the wild? guess I should go another direction for my cooling
 
Just got mine. Will mount it up tomorrow on my 920 for a quick test comparison to Macho HR-02. Not what it will end up on but at least it will give us an idea of what it will do.
 
Okay, here are the first pics and my initial feelings
Opened box and here this little beauty. It looks so small in real life!
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Cooler in bag. Typical well packed in foam for protection
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Cooler and fan are so nice! Quality is excellent but I didn't expect anything less.
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Heatsink base is 40x42mm with 6x 6mm pipes. There are 2x 2mm wire braces from opposite side of where pipes come out that attach into cooler so they can't get bent easily. A nice touch showing the engineers are thinking. Sorry they don't show better in picture. Will try to get a better shot of them and edit it in.
AXP-1005heatsinkface_zps00b13b9e.jpg


The supplied 120mm fan adapter plate.
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The usual mounting kit for all Intel and AMD. Not much I can add. Bunch of little screws and 2 sets of knurled nuts
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a331/doyll/AXP-100
/AXP-1007mountingkit_zps2e4978d2.jpg

and lastly the screws for 120mm fan mounting plate, TY-100 fan and thicker 120/140mm fans
AXP-1008fanmountscrews_zpsb53d250a.jpg


This is one very nice little cooler! Good attention to detail and quality. I can't wait to try it out and see how well it cools!

I could ramble on and on with all the measurement and weights but they are all on Thermalright's website.
http://www.thermalright.com/html/products/cpu_cooler/axp-100.html

I'm going to put it on my i7 920 to get an idea what it will do. Have Macho HR-02 on it now so will use that as baseline / standard to compare to for now.

Should have more for you tomorrow.
 
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They finally arrived! Looks good as expected. Shame its still pretty hard to find places that have it in stock. As great as it looks, I am torn between this and the NT06-PRO which is much more easily available.
 
Trying to wake up and get my day started.
Running HR-02 to verify our baseline / standard now.

@Diverge
Sorry, you cannot get one though my source.

The only test info I have seen is
AXP-100, Samuel 17 and NH-L9i on Xeon E3-1230 v2 @ 3.49GHz; 19c ambient :
AXP-100 w/TY-100 @ 2500rpm = . 72.3c
AXP-100 w/TY-120 @ 1500rpm = . 72.4c
Samual 17 w/TY-120 @ 1500rpm = 77.2c
NH-L9i w/AF-A9 @ 2500rpm . .=. . 94.5c
NH-L9i w/TY-100 @ 2500rpm . =. . 85.5c
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AXP-100 is 121x105.5x58m
Samuel 17 is 121.2x120x45mm without fan; 70mm with fan.

@jubbie
NT06-PRO is 140x139x82mm; both bigger & taller but still 6x heatpipes so would expect similar cooling



I will present my results in bold text. Hope this makes it easier to scan to see results.

Thermalright HR-02
on i7 920 stock (130watt CPU)
Handbrake @ realtime

Cooler Intake . Idle CPU; rpm; Cooler Exhaust . . 100% CPU; rpm; Cooler Exhaust
21c . . . . . . . . . 30-28-33-27c 650rpm 24.5c . . . . . . 54-54-56-53c 950rpm 29.0c

First pass
Thermalright AXP-100 w/ TY-100
on i7 920 stock (130watt CPU)
Handbrake @ realtime

Cooler Intake . Idle CPU; rpm; Cooler Exhaust . . 100% CPU; rpm; Cooler Exhaust
22.0c. . . . . . . . 37-36-40-35c 1000rpm 31c . . . . . . . 65-65-66-63c 2400rpm 35.1c
22.0c. . . . . . . . 32-3a-36-31c 2400rpm 26c

TY-100 is almost silent below 1500rpm. Progressively louder as speeds increase. There is a slight hum at high speeds.
Noticing vibration noise dependent on rpm.. Smooth to 1500rpm, maximum is 2000rpm and smooth full speed. Assume this is a defective fan and not normal. Tested using voltage fan control and get same so not PWM related. I assume this is a defective fan as I've never had this happen with any other Thermalright fan.

Ran a second pass after 30 minutes idling and got exact same results. See no need to run a third pass. Will now change to TY-140 fan.
 
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doyll, your data over at overclock is pretty good, 56c @ max load w/ fan at only 950rpm!

Was this on an open test bench or in a case (if so, which one)?
 
@Machupo
Either I posted it wrong or you are reading the Macho HR-02 temps. AXP-100 w/ TY-100 is 65c @ 2400rpm

Testing with TY-140 fan now.

Yes this is on an open bench. I include ambient (cooler intake) and cooler exhaust temps so you can see what kind of heat is coming off of cooler dependent on load and fan rpm.

I don't like testing in a case unless I'm posting on a forum for same kind of case because there are far too many variables to deal with in different cases. Very few of us have same systems in same cases. So testing in a case gives results only a few can really use. I don't have a small HTPC as I use a Define R2 case as for multiple applications one being HTPC use. I get the same temps on bench with it I get in case because the case is very well ventilated and GPU is low heat. (HD 6570 GDDR5 512MB reference model w/ Scythe Setsugen cooler).
 
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Finding the TY-140 results interesting. I was expecting more of a difference between TY-100 and TY-140. Evidently the 105x105mm fin area minus the fan motor shadow keeps the added cfm of TY-140 from being used to increase cooling. Ty-140 is increasing the motherboard and case cooling and would be ideal in a case with intake vent directly above TY-140.

AXP-100 w/ TY-140
Tested with i7 920 stock
Handbrake @ realtime

Cooler Intake . Idle CPU; rpm; Cooler Exhaust. . . 100% CPU; rpm; Cooler Exhaust
23.0c . . . . . . . . 37-35-40-34c 700rpm 31.1c . . . . . . . 69-68-70-69c 1200rpm 38.6c
24.0c . . . . . . . . 35-34-38-33c 1280rpm 29.1c . . . . . . 67-68-68-66c 1300rpm 39.0c
23.5c . . . . . . . . 34-33-38-33c 1280rpm 28.0c

Hearing some of the same "vibration" noise so may have something to do with my test station. Will let you know more later.

I've got a "custom shroud" I made for my old NH-U12P to accept TY-140 fan. If I can find it I'll use it to funnel airflow to AXP-100's 105x105mm fin block. ;)
 
Thanks doyll. The AXP-100 performs reasonably well given the size restriction. I had overclocking in mind and was hoping that it would allow me to do so. Ambient temperatures arent helping where I live too :p

I think I'll be quite happy with this considering its much more silent over the stock intel cooler. Just needs to be available..lol
 
No problem. Glad to be able to give back a little for all I've learned from the forum.

I expect they will be showing up on the shelves in a couple weeks but who knows.

I'll be posting some pics in the morning (need better light to work with) of the 15mm thick shroud between 140mm fan and AXP-100 . Also planning to run some more tests with TY-100 at 2250, 2000, 1750 and 1500rpm and see how slow it will go and still keep my 920 safe.

I found shroud. It's 15mm thick with 140mm round on one side and 107x114mm rectangle on the other.

AXP-100 w/ TY-140
Tested with i7 920 stock (130watt CPU)
Handbrake @ realtime

Cooler Intake . Idle CPU; rpm; Exhaust. . . . . . 100% CPU & Fan rpm Cooler Exhaust
23.0c . . . . . . 37-35-40-34c . 700rpm 31.1c . 69-68-70-69c 1200rpm 38.8c
24.0c . . . . . . 35-34-38-33c 1280rpm 29.1c . 67-67-68-65c 1300rpm 38.0c
23.5c . . . . . . 34-33-38-33c 1280rpm 28.0c
TY-140>shroud>cooler
23,5c . . . . . . 33-32-37-32c 1280rpm 27.5c .
23,0c . . . . . . 33-32-37-32c 1250rpm 27.5c . . 65-66-67-65c 1250rpm 33.8c
22.5c . . . . . . 32-31-36-30c 1250rpm 26.5c . . 63-64-65-62c 1250rpm 35.5c**

**Turned base 90 degrees so it was better fitting the AXP-120 adapter mount. 15mm thick with 140mm round on one side and 107x114mm rectangle on the other.. fits perfectly on AXP-100 120mm mounting plate

Shroud does restrict fan cfm and increase static pressure.. as rpm shows but it increase airflow though cooler as temperatures show. ;)
It also makes things quieter because fan is spaced 15mm away from fins and also because air is being smoothly directed into fins and not slamming into the flats of the adapter mount.

Keep in mind how small AXP-100 actually is. But please don't think it can complete with a full size cooler. AXP-100 is very small. Think of it as smaller than
2x 120mm fans 120x120x50mm setting on your CPU.
AXP-100 is only 121x105x58mm WITH FAN!!

Thermalright Macho HR-02 is 140x128.5x162mm and is 10c cooler @ 950rpm with TY-140 fan... that's more than 3 times as big as AXP-100

Mods: If you would like me to put this in it's own thread please let me know. I wasn't expecting this to be so long. :eek:
 
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Did the testing but didn't get the pictures done yet. Will try try and do it later.

AXP-100 w/ TY-100
Tested with i7 920 stock (130watt CPU)
Handbrake @ realtime

Cooler Intake . Idle CPU; rpm; Cooler Exhaust . 100% CPU; rpm; Cooler Exhaust . mobo & NB
21.5c . . . . . . . . 33-31-35-31c 2250rpm 25.5c . . . . 63-64-65-63c 2250rpm 34.5c . . . . . 37c 45c
22.5c . . . . . . . . 36-35-39-33c 2000rpm 30.0c . . . . 69-70-70-69c 2000rpm 40.0c . . . . . 39c 51c
22.5c . . . . . . . . 35-34-38-33c 1750rpm 29.5c . . . . 72-73-73-71c 1750rpm 43.0c . . . . . 40c 54c
22.5c . . . . . . . . 35-34-39-34c 1600rpm 30.0c . . . . 73-75-74-72c 1600rpm 44.0c . . . . . 39c 54c
22.5c . . . . . . . . 35-35-39-34c 1500rpm 30.0c . . . . 76-78-77-75c 1500rpm 47.0c . . . . . 40c 57c
23.0c . . . . . . . . 37-36-41-36c 1200rpm 31.0c; 39c & 46c mobo & NB

I was surprised. At 1750rpm I thought it would get hotter.. Than went to 1600rpm instead of 1500rpm because I was sure it would get too hot. But it actually does okay at 1500rpm!! So you can have a HTPC capable of gaming and still near silent with fixed fan speed. Use PWM and idle at 1200rpm set fan to ramp up as load increases. And about same size as two 120mm fans. Very impressed!
 
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lol, I wasn't impressed by the temps @ stock until I remembered you were using a 130w processor :p

this should do very nicely for a mildly overclocked ivy :D
 
LOL Yeah, it's definitely not designed for i7 920 CPU. Maybe I should reinforce how hot the 920 runs. My 980 runs 8-10c cooler doing same jobs in 2/3rds the time of 920.
 
Pictures of the shroud and adapter with TY-140 fan
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GA-EX58-UD3R w/ i7-920 under AXP-100w/ TY-100 fan
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I still need somepics of the adapter & shroud under TY-140 on AXP-100. The 15mm thick shroud improved cooling and noise considerable. Of course with it and TY-140 total height is 87.6mm.
AXP-100 with TY-100; 44.15 + 14 = 58mm
AXP-100 with TY-140; 44.15 + 28.5 = 72.65mm
AXP-100 2/TY-140 & shroud; 44.15 + 43.5 = 87.65mm
Edit: CPU fans in socket is approximately 6-9mm above motherboard.
From the results I'm not sure I would go the TY-140. I'm a TY-140 series lover and all but this little cooler really isn't designed to use 140mm fans. The fin face is 92x104mm = 95.7sq cm. TY-140 has a 42mm motor hub = 13.85sq cm while the TY-100 only has a 30mm motor hub = 7.1sq cm. All of TY-100 air is blowing into cooler while TY-140 is dumping a lot around the sides of cooler... which hinders the cooler exhaust trying to get out from under cooler.

A good 120mm fan would be forcing all it's air through cooler just as TY-100 does.
 
Yeah, once I can get my meathooks on a stealth edition, I'm planning on putting a Scythe 120mm X 12mm PWM fan on it. Should do quite nicely :D
 
If you are talking about the AXP-100 the mounting bracket is standard Thermalright mounting kit for Intel & AMD. At least it's the kit I got with Macho HR-02, Silver Arrow SB-E and AXP-100.
Intel.
528x403px-LL-9daaa8c8_1b8f3e35dfad1cc5d575fd973527bf35.jpeg


And AMD
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Xtreme Hardware just posted a review (in french)


There are a lot of really nice photos.

They tested the cooler with an i7-920 (~130W), but attempt to give you a sense of other processors by undervolting the processor. They also use a couple of different fans; as well as text whether the AXP-100 should be in push or pull.

My interpretation of why the AXP-100 does better in pull than push is that in push the AXP-100 struggles to produce enough power with the resistance of the heatsink and the closeness of the PCB. You don't see the same effect with the NF-F12.
 
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Thanks for the link!

I just turned the fan over not 30 minutes ago to try it myself.

I think the graph you posted is with stock i7 920. :)

The pressure differential is the same push or pull. So is the heatsink resistance. My guess is it's blade design that works better pulling on resistance than pushing into it.
 
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AXP-100 w/ TY-100 pushing in
Tested with i7 920 stock (130w CPU)
Handbrake @ realtime

Room ambient . Idle CPU; rpm; Cooler Exhaust. . 100% CPU; rpm; Cooler Exhaust . mobo; NB; Cooler intake*
21.5c . . . . . . . . . 33-34-35-31c 2400rpm 28.0c . . 67-68-67-66c 2400rpm . 39.5c . . 36c . . 51c . . 28.5c
22.0c . . . . . . . . . 33-34-35-31c 2250rpm 28.0c . . 68-68-69-67c 2250rpm . 39.5c . . 36c . . 51c . . 30.0c
22.5c . . . . . . . . . 36-35-39-33c 2000rpm 30.0c . . 69-70-70-69c 2000rpm . 40.0c . . 39c . . 51c
22.5c . . . . . . . . . 35-34-38-33c 1750rpm 29.5c . . 72-73-73-71c 1750rpm . 43.0c . . 40c . . 54c
22.5c . . . . . . . . ; 35-35-39-34c 1500rpm 30.0c . . 76-78-77-75c 1500rpm . 47.0c . . 40c . . 57c
23.0c . . . . . . . . . 37-36-41-36c 1200rpm 31.0c; 39c & 46c mobo & NB
2400rpm is maximum rpm mounted pushing in
*Temperature of air 30mm above TY-100
:doh: I re-ran a couple of the fan pushing in tests. Intake air is much warmer than room ambient.. like 8c warmer!.

AXP-100 w/ TY-100 pulling out
Tested with i7 920 stock (130w CPU)
Handbrake @ realtime

Room ambient . Idle CPU; rpm; Cooler Exhaust. . 100% CPU; rpm; Cooler Exhaust . mobo; NB; Cooler intake*
21.5c . . . . . . . . 32-31-35-31c 2450rpm 26.0c . . 62-62-63-61c 2450rpm . 33.5c . . 34c . . 46c
21.5c . . . . . . . . 33-31-35-31c 2250rpm 25.5c . . 63-64-65-63c 2250rpm . 34.5c . . 37c . . 45c
21.5c . . . . . . . . 33-32-37-33c 2000rpm 30.0c . . 64-65-65-64c 2000rpm . 35.5c . . 34c . . 48c
21.5c . . . . . . . . 35-34-39-34c 1750rpm 28.5c . . 66-67-66-65c 1750rpm . 37.5c . . 35c . . 50c
21.5c . . . . . . . . 34-33-38-32c 1500rpm 27.0c . . 69-70-70-69c 1500rpm . 39.5c . . 34c . . 51c
21.0c . . . . . . . . 35-34-38-33c 1200rpm 28.0c; 34c & 47c mobo & NB
*I neglected to put a probe under cooler, sorry.
. 2450rpm is maximum rpm mounted pulling out

Running TY-100 pushing in and find the heat difference is because of air temperature over cooler / fan intake. Idling at 2400rpm the air 30mm above AXP-100 is 28.5c with 22c ambient. That's with a TY-140 40cm away and 15cm above work top blowing 22c ambient over test setup. It also shows in the exhaust temp readings with TY-100 pushing into cooler.

From now own I'm going to worry more about what actual cooler intake temperature is than ambient temperature.
 
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How have you got your case set up that the "intake" air is 8c hotter than ambient?
 
LOL.. Before this I would be asking the same question.

It's not in a case. It's GA-EX58-UD3R Rev 1.6 motherboard setting on a bench with GeiL Value Plus RAM and old Radeon X1600 Pro GPU. It's the GPU, RAM, I/O fittings and other chips/pots on motherboard turning the airflow coming out from under AXP-100 up, than intake fan on cooler pulling it back into cooler. I suspect mostly the RAM and GPU but it all adds up to much warmer air going into cooler.

When fan is sucking air up through cooler it just keep going up into room.

I don't think any test setup running a downflow cooler can get room ambient air to cooler. Top or bottom. With upflow air going to bottom is being warmed some by motherboard components. With downflow air coming up off of motherboard is mixing and warming up intake air. Well, could if you put a barrier between intake and air coming off of motherboard... a 1 meter funnel leaning off to the side to get ambient air. :D

Tower coolers are not as problematic because air flows in over RAM and out over motherboard I/O so no mixing to worry about.

So like I posted above. From now on I'm going to monitor cooler intake and not room temperature. ;)
 
Fair enough. Ducts wouldnt be such a bad idea for tiny cases with relatively "bad" ariflow. You could use it as a heater in winter time :D
 
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Fair enough. Ducts wouldnt be such a bad idea for tiny cases with relatively "bad" ariflow. You could use it as a heater in winter time :D
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Actually using a duct from case to TY-100 on AXP-100 is a very good way to get cool air too or hot air away from the cooler.
 
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