It's still Windows. And aside from certain vendors who like to use OS changes as an excuse to force users to upgrade <cough>intuit<cough>, there's little that I can't run on 7 that runs on XP (probably 8 to....Intuit not withstanding).
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2013: The Year You Switch To Linux?
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It's still Windows. And aside from certain vendors who like to use OS changes as an excuse to force users to upgrade <cough>intuit<cough>, there's little that I can't run on 7 that runs on XP (probably 8 to....Intuit not withstanding).
I don't know what the rules are but I know that Nvidia, and I believe AMD, both push GPU updates via windows update.
DeathPrincess
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You shouldn't use those ones though. They are usually out of date or old. Which kind of shows why that system isn't the best way of pushing product updates.
I just placed an order for the parts to put together a new unix box... I didn't like Windows XP and had gotten out of gaming, so I switched 100% to linux in 2003 or so. I liked Windows 7 well enough and decided to take advantage of Steam sales, so I switched back when it was released. I've realized I'd really just rather be on a Unix based system for doing real work, so it's time to switch back. If Steam for linux takes off, I might switch completely away from Windows again.
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I know for people like us, we usually don't think much further back than XP, but a lot of stuff happened before we were born...
Windows used to be a GUI program that sat on top of MS-DOS and was not an operating system, but a set of programs and utilities that were mouse and icon driven. Then a common kernel was shared across three major versions of another product sub-group called Windows consisting of 95 (with various OSRs that added stuff like USB support), 98/98SE, and ME. Of course, at the same time the NT-kernel OSes were being developed in parallel with NT 3.5, 4.0, 2000, and XP. Not being privy to internal MS development, I'm pretty sure that though Vista, 7, and 8 share a lot of common traits, they're pretty similar to previous NT-based operating systems. In any event, the name "Windows" has been slapped on several distinctly different products and even more than a few if you count each named or numbered release as a new thing.
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Just use Steam under PlayOnLinux, it pretty much negates the need for Windows at all if one is simply gaming.
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Just for the record, I tried PlayOnLinux with my Minty PC and it works pretty well, though I don't think I'm going to go sticking Mint on my desktop just yet. It seems like there's some slowness introducted through Wine...then again I am trying to do all this junk on a Pentium M.
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A single-core processor from 2005, yes, that would be your problem.Just for the record, I tried PlayOnLinux with my Minty PC and it works pretty well, though I don't think I'm going to go sticking Mint on my desktop just yet. It seems like there's some slowness introducted through Wine...then again I am trying to do all this junk on a Pentium M.
I remember back to Windows 3.0 and Apple IIe systems, lol.
If one does not remember the past, then history will repeat itself!
SkribbelKat
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A single-core processor from 2005, yes, that would be your problem.
It replaced my Compaq which is no longer with us now. *tears*
ZOMG, you were around when Windows was just a thingey they installed on DOS that used way too much of your first 640 KB of RAM?
That was like, back when computers were just a box that had a hammer, chisel, and stack of stone tablets inside!All they want is the serial number... If you paid for the software what's the problem with sending the serial, that they provided anyway?
Which definition of "Spyware" includes sending serial numbers and product registration?
Try reading their EULA sometime :
http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/pdfs/Gen_WWCombined-MULTI-20111031_1230.pdf
Adware :
Spyware :
And finally, the privacy policy that gives Adobe the right to track your usage, with or without your consent :
http://www.adobe.com/privacy/policy.html#info-collect
You can only go from information availible. Their new "website" also lists nothing to suggest it's rampant usage.
Also I don't think you understand what "ignoratio elenchi" actually means, and how it should be used.
http://linuxgazette.net/147/rowe.html
Size is quiet relevant to the discussion of which program is better. 421mb is huge for a mere software application. Games are larges because they have lots of assets like music, sound, textures, models, and level data.
This is one of the major differences between Windows programmers and UNIX programmers : We prefer small applications that preform very specific functions (and which are able to be easily chained together for more complex tasks) whereas Windows programmers tend to just throw everything under the sun into a single program regardless of how relevant the feature is to the program's core function or how much bloat/inefficiency it adds.
Onus probandi is on the person making the affirmative claim.
No, they decided not to waste time supporting an inferior operating system that doesn't follow industry standards. Most other operating systems in common use today, be it GNU/Linux, one of the BSDs, Solaris, Mac OS X, Dalvik/Linux (Android), iOS, or Blackberry 10 are *nix-based or *nix-like. Even televisions and routers are running *nix-like operating systems.
Regardless, this is not relevant to the discussion. We are discussing whether GIMP is a suitable Photoshop alternative in the context of switching from Windows to GNU/Linux (and I would remind you that Photoshop works in WINE).
See above. Also, the Adobe License Manager service. I see no reason why it should be considered acceptable for a program to install a daemon solely for the purpose of spying on you for Adobe's benefit. In addition, if you make enough changes to your hardware, this malware will deactivate your legally purchased software.
I prefer a more open platform for updating rather than a wallled garden where a central authority dictate how and when I can give out my product updates.
The GNU/Linux system for program updates is an open platform. You have a package manager, the package manager itself is configured by default to download from your distro's repositories. You have the option of adding additional repositories : A third-party proprietary software developer could create a repository of their own and one would simply have to add that to their list of repositories for their package manager.
Anyway, you still haven't provided any reason why/how GIMP is better software than Photoshop, so it's safe to assume there isn't any, thus by admition, Gimp/Cinepaint are to you ligically "crap software".
And that is a negative proof fallacy.
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heh... thanks for the heads up. I'll give that a try (just installed ubuntu on a second partition).
I've tried Wine in the past and with mixed results. That was a long time ago though... probably 4 or 5.
5 years ago, WINE had very limited Direct3D support. Most people who gamed on GNU/Linux used Cedega/WineX, which was a propriety commercial fork of WINE.