NRA Blames Video Games For Violence

Blaming video games is just stupid. Millions of Americans play violent video games every day. Where's the anarchy this should cause if violent video games cause people to go crazy and shoot up innocents. The problem is neither the guns, which there at least a couple hundred million of in the USA, nor the video games, it's mentally ill people.

It seems to me our efforts would best be served to better identify, understand, and treat those with serious mental illness.
 
dr.stevil said:
I agree and you're absolutely right. However, I doubt it's a coincidence how much more common it's gotten over the last 30-40 years.

These things happened back in the 1700's even (school shootings) but it wasn't nearly as common as it seems to be today. I saw an interesting statistic, which I can't find now unfortunately (figures), showing the number of shool shootings from the early 1900's all the way up to the 1980's and it was a REALLY small number... however, from the 80's to current, the number was just staggering in contrast. I'll try to dig it up

Point being, something changed... guns existed back then and were much easier to get, but these types of things were few and far between. Today... in many places, guns are much harder to get (and in some cases, pretty much impossible) due to gun laws and regulations... but shootings are becoming more common.
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The media changed. Now people do this for attention and infamy.
 
durandal1707 said:
Yeah, because 6 year olds concealed carry all the time. All this would do is make the teacher the primary target. The teacher could have been armed in this last case and it wouldn't have made a damn bit of difference. The guy was prepared. He opens the door, takes out he teacher and presto no more threat.
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We could also cut defense spending by 1% and put a cop at every school in the country. Or build a few less bombs, tanks, or drones every year and spend the saved money on protecting the kids 24/7. But no, take away the guns of good citizens so they can't defend themselves at home as well.

A couple schools I went to as a kid had some kind of off duty cop working at the school through some kind of overtime program. Doing this throughout the country seems like the answer to me. One cop per school (minimum and this means they'll be around playgrounds too) all achieved through money saved building less bombs, more mental health care, AND more citizens with guns, not less.


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Yes, because there's only just one adult in an entire school, the rest are kids.
 
tlkimball said:
I know a guy with over 10 assault rifles. I seriously doubt that anyone who thinks they need that many could ever pass a psychological background check.
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:rolleyes: I own many things that I don't need and the odds are good that everyone posting in this thread owns quite a bit that they don't need.
 
I just saw bits of the NRA statement.

They did blame the RIAA in the form of music videos.

Dude said "the nerve! that they can call this entertainment?!"

He wants more guns out there in the form of armed security guards at all schools.

Basically, solve gun issues.......... WITH MORE GUNS !!! YAY !!
 
Stiletto said:
Depends on what kind of bullet you're talking about. Do you know the difference between hollow-point ammunition(which is intended to cause more damage) and full metal jacket ammunition(which is mainly intended for range practice)? Are we talking HydraShok rounds? How about shotshells or frangible ammo? You're acting like every bullet is exactly the same.

In addition, guns are not designed to kill anything, as you've already stated. They're designed to focus an explosion in one direction to push out a metal projectile that will pierce and penetrate dense objects. If it's the head, then yes it will probably kill you. If it's the torso, it will likely kill you. If it's any of your limbs, it's unlikely to kill you. 85% surviving their wounds is not "entirely by mistake". It's the difference between "shoot to kill" and "shoot to wound".



Wait, I thought that if a bullet doesn't kill you, it's entirely by mistake, not anything to do with where or with what you're shot! So confusing, but you're the firearms expert. Keep on keepin' on.
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Not every bullet is the same, but the spinning state that ALL bullets (exception is pellets, or some shotgun ammunition) exist in after being fired from a weapon is intended to do as much damage as possible.

Compare guns from before the 1900's that were pellets rather than bullets, and guns that had no rifling done to the barrel. Those weapons had much lower death rates that weapons do today, and that's not by mistake, and it doesn't have anything to do with people today being a better shot. Standard ammunition developed today is designed to kill, with some designed to penetrate armor and THEN kill, and some designed to specifically kill pink fleshy things. There are some kinds of ammunition like rubber bullets that aren't supposed to kill the victim, but they still do.

If your argument included the possibility of non-lethal defense weapons like tasers (Before you say anything, I KNOW they can still kill, but are less likely to do so than a gun), then there would be a better common ground. That would help minimize casualties, which should be the number one concern, not just to kill the assailant. A crossfire situation can be more dangerous than a rampaging lunatic. See: cornered animals or people.
 
msny said:
...and if a student gets the teachers gun, he could be the next
perpetrator, or harm himself.

I think guns in school is a BAD idea.

Put one or two cops out front is what I suggest.
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You could be right on the money, teachers might not be the best bet in any manner. However maybe having all the Principles take gun courses and paying them more to get more X-cops, soldiers, etc to do the job. As well as having one cop per school like they do in my city....already! (I grew up with this stuff)

Shit, I'd become a principle if this happened. I'll protect kids and get a good paycheck. Worst case scenario is I die a fucking real hero. I'd be in constant communication with the cop at my school and as soon as a shot goes off I'd make sure we (me and the cop) have the coward cornered/targeted and I'd go to head to head with him. Even if he gets me, the cop should get him. Kids are safe either way because he's stalled while reinforcements arrive. All these people should be killed on the spot too, no questions asked. Works in my world anyway.
 
Stiletto said:
If a gunman enters, and the teacher is unarmed, everything that happens is up to the gunman.

If a gunman enters, and the teacher is armed, the gunman will no longer have total control.

Choose.
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You forgot about the option where the armed teacher goes crazy and starts shooting children. What, you think teachers don't ever go crazy?
 
evilsofa said:
You forgot about the option where the armed teacher goes crazy and starts shooting children. What, you think teachers don't ever go crazy?
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You forgot about the option where the gun becomes a Buddhist and gives up its evil plot to murder all children.
 
ravx25 said:
Government oppression aside, do you not agree that having armed security of some sort at a school would give pause and/or thought to someone wanting to shoot the place up? How many people do you know that will walk into a police department and start shooting? Not many.... because they will be shot back at in short order. All we ever hear about is how guns cause problems, not how they can solve problems. A CCH owner stopped the Oregon Mall shooter. An off duty police office stopped a potential massacre in San Antonio too. You won't find the liberal media reporting on that though too much.

Guns Can Stop tragedies too
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Columbine had TWO armed police officers on campus when Harris and Klebold started shooting. They exchanged fire with the shooters but failed to stop the rampage.
 
blackscreen said:
Maybe if people started blaming the shooters we might get somewhere...
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Exactly what I've been saying. You have countless numbers of gamers out there that also watch R rated violent movies. Of those, there are millions of gun owners. Now, take those that play video games and are also gun owners - how many committed a crime with that gun? Percent wise? .0001%? Just because 5,6 even 20 people that shoot others have played video games, I highly doubt that the video game was the deciding factor that made them flip out. Nor was it the gun.

Violent movies are another topic. I've watched some really fucked up ones. I can handle most of them. Some (mostly when kids are involved), I have a hard time watching. There are sites that I can't go to anymore after seeing stuff with kids. I'm 37. My kids are 11 & 13. They can't watch those movies until they are 18. The most violent movies they have watched have been Transformers 1, 2 & 3. I'm a lenient parent, too. There are movies and games that they've asked to watch/play and if it's questionable, it's my rule that I have to watch it first. Then, I decide. That's a new technique that hasn't quite spread very well, I call it "Parenting".

People are so quick to blame things other than the actual person. There is no one responsible for the killings other than the killer. He made that decision. If he had mental issues and problems, then his mother should have limited his access to violent media and guns. Instead, it sounds like she didn't want to deal with it...

If video games cause violence, then most of the people on [H] should be mass murderers. I'd venture to say not a single one of us has done time for a violent crime. How many LAN parties end with a shooting? The ONLY time I've gotten violent with video games is with games like Pugsy on the Sega CD. Cute little fat guy with a damn hard level and shitty controls. Punched the wall.

They can blame society, games, movies, music, books, guns, cars, drugs, alcohol all they want, but the ultimate responsibility is at the person that committed the crime. End of story.
 
ballistic90 said:
A crossfire situation can be more dangerous than a rampaging lunatic. See: cornered animals or people.
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I highly doubt a crossfire situation would've been more deadly than that guy killing all those kids with no one even trying to stop him. I'd rather have one kid die in a crossfire accidentally shot than 22 dead because it was a one way shootout. I know it sounds bad but decisions have to be made, boy. ;)

After all, the bad guy doesn't care either way. So we have to make the tough decisions and move forward with them.

evilsofa
Columbine had TWO armed police officers on campus when Harris and Klebold started shooting. They exchanged fire with the shooters but failed to stop the rampage.
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So they potentially saved some lives here in this terrible tragedy. Gotcha!
 
I tried to Pyroblast a guy the other day and it didn't work... I then tried a Frostbolt but it didn't do anythig either, so I ended up dancing on top of a mailbox until he went away.
 
TheMadHatterXxX said:
Just like the shooter at Fort Hood cared whether it was a gun free zone or not. :rolleyes:
He shot up a military base full of guns, no?
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You're not allowed to carry a weapon onto a military base (even trained soldiers). Guns and ammunition are there, but locked up tight. Unless you're at the range, you don't have a gun.

MP's are a different story.
 
dr.stevil said:
You're not allowed to carry a weapon onto a military base (even trained soldiers). Guns and ammunition are there, but locked up tight. Unless you're at the range, you don't have a gun.

MP's are a different story.
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I had to go through a Military Base for my Deer hunt they let me right on through with my rifle.....But I'm sure if I had an AR-15 or something they'd of said something otherwise.
 
dr.kevin said:
Basically, solve gun issues.......... WITH MORE GUNS !!! YAY !!
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If more guns aren't the answer to an active shooter situation, what is? Hoping they run out of bullets? Prayer?

When you have an active shooter you call 911.. why?

To bring more guns to the situation.

People think that government employees are the only ones that can save them. That's scary.
 
The NRA is doing anything it can to stop an assault weapons ban. So they threw as much crap on the problem as they could in the hopes something would stick and distract everyone from pushing for an assault weapons ban. That is literally all they care about in this situation and it is the only reason they said half the crazy crap they said. I would just ignore them.
 
A Helpful Note to NRA Members:

Your leader is an idiot. You might want to consider choosing a new one.

Sincerely,

Tuor
 
evilsofa said:
You forgot about the option where the armed teacher goes crazy and starts shooting children. What, you think teachers don't ever go crazy?
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Teachers can go crazy and shoot up a school today anyway. So this does not significantly increase the chance of that happening.
 
The media doesn't care how many children die because of copycat killers. But you won't see the media talk about copycat killers.

Almost no mention in the media of the ACLU keeping insane people on streets. Connecticut is one of the most difficult places to get someone committed.
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They should just say what's really on their mind. Which is.....

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^^^ This fucker looks like a nutjob, and turned out to be one.
No form of gun restrictions would stop this psycho from killing kids.
If it weren't guns, he would have backed up a Uhaul truck full of homemade explosives.
So stop all the fingerpointing. This was just an isolated case of fucktard.
 
As an NRA member this makes me sad. I think its about time to switch to one of the other groups out there.
 
MrCaffeineX said:
As an NRA member this makes me sad. I think its about time to switch to one of the other groups out there.
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While I'm a member of the NRA and the SAF the Second Amendment Foundation is actually getting shit done. SAF is responsible for Heller and McDonald as well as for me being able to CCW in California. I have a mancrush on Alan Gura.
 
J So said:
While I'm a member of the NRA and the SAF the Second Amendment Foundation is actually getting shit done. SAF is responsible for Heller and McDonald as well as for me being able to CCW in California. I have a mancrush on Alan Gura.
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Sorry that's Calguns that won the Sacramento carry case but Alan Gura worked it.
 
NRA should go to hell, they lost their integrity a long time ago. GOA and other groups are far better for our second amendment rights anyways. If you're going to blame music, movies, video games, and tv then you might as well blame books as well. How else do you think children learned who to emulate when they played cowboys and indians, or US vs British, etc?

And they can ban my guns as soon as they dissolve the secret service, and prevent private security from carrying weapons as well. Let the politicians and lobbyists think twice about a society of unarmed citizens that includes them and their families. Let's all be in this together, not all of us can get political jobs and/or afford security... The majority of anti-gun lobbyists/celebrities/politicians have armed security, so why can't my family?
 
Yeah, crazy criminals are totally "deterred" by armed citizens, laws, etc... If gun control, laws and cops don't deter these nutjobs, why in God's name would armed citizens deter them?
 
Sovereign said:
Yeah, crazy criminals are totally "deterred" by armed citizens, laws, etc... If gun control, laws and cops don't deter these nutjobs, why in God's name would armed citizens deter them?
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Because most of them are cowards.
 
The NRA is just scapegoating another issue that has already shown there is no link between the two.

If violence in movies and video games make people violent and perform mass killings, nearly everyone in contact with it and even people on these forums are mass killers or potential murderers. (Are you?)

No.

I've said it before in the other thread, if we're going to stop or lower gun violence or violent crimes, these issues need to be addressed:
  • Bad parenting and/or lack of discipline on their children. - If I haven't turned into a hardened violent criminal after 24 years of playing video games and watching violent movies, then what makes me different? Good parenting-- I was taught right and wrong when I was born; I have an active imagination but I can tell the difference between what's real and what's fiction-- heck, I write as a hobby.
  • Mental health research, issues and treatment. - Get the people that need mental help when they need it before they take out their delusional fantasies or psychosis events on other people. Help mental health research institutions find the cause and effect to violent behavior and violent crimes. Make mental health treatment widely available and easily accessible.
  • Personal counseling for both parent and child(ren). - It seems apparent in the case of Newtown, not only did he have social and mental issues, but he was very angry against his father. Address these issues of children in broken families, get them to talk. Ensure the parents talk to their children and get them help, get them counselling.
  • Extra-curricular activities and after school activities. - Allow children to find ways to express themselves that doesn't involve pulling a trigger or using some other deadly weapon on another person. It has been proven in cities and states that have after school programs have seen a decrease in gang-related crimes and teenage-related crimes.
  • Gun control and restrictions. - Gun control can't solve all the causes of violent crimes, only lessen them. Allow gun licensing similar to drivers license with yearly tests in both mental competence and gun safety and storage. Background checks will only do so much if a family member has access to the guns, but let that be a requirement especially mandatory on high-powered weapons. Increase punishments for those that do not secure their guns properly. Make every gun owner or potential gun owner take gun safety tests and shooting range tests, and teach them how to properly secure the gun in their own home so that a family member has no easy access to them. Restrict gun sales for customers that have family members with known mental and/or social issues, and make sure those family members get treatment before anyone purchases a gun in that household.
  • Increase funding for investigations and prosecutions into gun smuggling and black market sales.
Putting a cop in every school is not going to work.

Putting a metal detector in every school, mall or theatre is not going to work.

Arming teachers and school faculty is not going to work, it'll make it worse.

This is not the Wild West, and the NRA surely wants it to turn that way.
 
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