Tup3x
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The screen is 60 Hz but boy I would love it if my desktop ips screen was as responsive and blur free.
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Can't be 60Hz. Fastest you can update 60Hz screen is every 16.66 msThe screen is 60 Hz but boy I would love it if my desktop ips screen was as responsive and blur free.
I guess you missed one of the big new features of IE10 being that it now has a built-in update service, allowing it to be patched for security/new features at any time (same as Firefox and Chrome)?
Also missed that Microsoft is moving to an annual (yearly) release cycle for major OS updates, the first of which being "Windows Blue," which will be released as an update for Windows 8 that adds new features + other upgrades?
And you somehow also missed that a headline feature of Windows Phone 8 was OTA updates? This allows Microsoft to patch the OS whenever they feel like, and they have already added a nice number of features to WP8 since launch.
Looks to me they're now upgrading the desktop based on their mobile-device strategy, not the other way around. Means we can expect a steady stream of new features.
They don't need to release a Gmail app. WP7 and WP8 support IMAP, which is Google's new preferred method of accessing Gmail. That will keep working.
The removal of ActiveSync screws up calendar sync and and contact sync, though.
That said, it's not hard to simply export that data from your Google account. Contacts can be exported from Google and then imported into Outlook.com (they will immediately show back up on your phone). Google Calendar can be set up to auto-forward to Outlook.com as well, so events still show up just fine on WP7 / WP8 (though they'll be on your primary calendar, rather than being color-coded as a Google Calendar appointment).
Why would they implement such a service only to not use it? That doesn't make any sense. They've been stating over and over that they want to deliver more updates and more features more quickly. Everything they're doing right now points to this being the case.Just because it has a built-in service for patching doesn't mean it will be used for upgrades. Microsoft has a history of *not* updating their software, unless they were security holes, as I pointed out. Bugs or no bugs, Microsoft called them features. Will Microsoft actually use their new "technology" to actually perform upgrades? Future will tell.
You obviously have not been paying attention to how Microsoft has been executing in the mobile space recently, and are making a MASSIVE assumption that they will push out features and updates before they're ready. This HAS NOT been the case at all.So they rename service packs with code words (oh yeah, code words are hip!), and force them out of the shelf on a yearly basis, finished or not finished? We'll see a lot of half-baked stuff if they keep that promise. Unless, of course, they cut out features that are not fully finished, at which point a major upgrade might become a very minor one...
Once again, this is not the Microsoft of old. As I've pointed out multiple times, they're handling updates and patches entirely differently now.Also, with these "other upgrades", going back to Microsoft's history, did they ever add major features to their OSes, post launch? Maybe a handful. Most service packs were always huge stability patches and security improvements. Again, it it's not a security hole - no need to fix it.
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. Being able to deliver OTA updates whenever they want is somehow a bad thing?Yes, whenever they feel like it. Or, if they don't feel like it, they can abandon it if it doesn't become the success they want it to be. Looks like the stars are not aligning they way that they want so far. No love from Google.
Kinda like how google has a history of this obtaining IP addres bug that is in android and they have not solved it for ever?
It's been fixed.
By that logic, if they release the phone without the actual calling feature because it's "not ready," that makes it ok?Why would they implement such a service only to not use it? That doesn't make any sense. They've been stating over and over that they want to deliver more updates and more features more quickly. Everything they're doing right now points to this being the case.
You obviously have not been paying attention to how Microsoft has been executing in the mobile space recently, and are making a MASSIVE assumption that they will push out features and updates before they're ready. This HAS NOT been the case at all.
For example, Windows Phone 7 and Windows Phone 8 were both released on a deadline, but the features considered "not ready yet" were disabled for the RTM release. In Windows Phone 8 these included things like a notification center and VPN support.
Microsoft will add them in when they're ready to, whenever they want, thanks to the new OTA patching system. There is absolutely nothing "half baked" about releasing features only when they are ready...
Once again, this is not the Microsoft of old. As I've pointed out multiple times, they're handling updates and patches entirely differently now.
Windows Phone 7 and Windows Phone 8 updates have all included bug fixes as well as a steady stream of new features. Windows phone 7.8 is rolling out as we speak, which brings features from Windows Phone 8 back down to 1st gen and 2nd gen handsets. Windows Phone 8 just got its first update, moving it from "Apollo" to "Portico," which added features as well.
As you yourself said, it looks like Microsoft is going to start treating the desktop and mobile the same as far as updates go. That looks like a good thing to me, considering mobile updates have brought a consistent stream of new features. The "Windows Blue" update for Windows 8 is slated to be along similar lines, bringing new features and new UI (additional tile sizes, even) to Windows 8 with its first major update.
That doesn't sound anything like the service packs they used to release, now does it?
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. Being able to deliver OTA updates whenever they want is somehow a bad thing?
Been working fine so far, WP8 handsets are already getting updates and new features via the new update system. I don't see what Google has to do with updates to WP8...
It's been fixed.
I did not say that. You've assumed that there is no priority system in place, which I can assure you, is not the case. I mean really, why would they release a phone OS that is unable to make calls? That makes no sense, and would have obviously pushed back the RTM date if it were not ready yet.By that logic, if they release the phone without the actual calling feature because it's "not ready," that makes it ok?
Right, and it wasn't ready for the RTM of WP8, so they didn't include it.People have their priorities when it comes to features. When it comes to corporate phones, VPN is a pretty big one.
Can't be 60Hz. Fastest you can update 60Hz screen is every 16.66 ms
Have to get up to 102 Hz in order to get down to 9.8 ms
Edit: Though Nokia says they were seeing 23ms out of an average IPS panel (which can't even display 60 fps content without blurring), so I suppose even 16.66 ms is a massive improvement.
Except that is an entirely false statement. This change does not prevent the email client on WP7 and WP8 from accessing email stored in gmail accounts. The inbox will simply be set up as IMAP rather than as Exchange ActiveSync. Tada! You have Gmail!What a consumer will see, and hear from others, is that their brand new WP8/Surface/Win8 device doesn't have a way to read gmail, which is many times more popular than outlook.com will ever be. This is not how you sell more.
Can't be 60Hz. Fastest you can update 60Hz screen is every 16.66 ms
Have to get up to 102 Hz in order to get down to 9.8 ms
Edit: Though Nokia says they were seeing 23ms out of an average IPS panel (which can't even display 60 fps content without blurring), so I suppose even 16.66 ms is a massive improvement.
Sure there is. This is the first time I've ever heard of this being employed on a phone. That's new.There's nothing new there.
lol at the person who uses IE as their browser.
lol at the person who uses IE as their browser.
Smh...
You jumped the gun. I can confirm that WP7 and WP8 can connect via PEAP once the root certificate is installed on the device (this isn't required for all PEAP-protected networks).I was 99% sure I was going to make Windows Phone 8 my new smartphone, probably the HTC 8x, when I finally upgraded from my basic phone. But then I discovered that WP8 can't connect to certain wireless networks like the one at my university that uses PEAP/MSCHAP for authentication. I don't believe Windows 8 RT can do this either. Wtf? This is a pretty popular wireless authentication method, not to mention it's Microsoft's very own. Talk about alienating a potentially huge clientele base--how are people supposed to use your products if they can't use them at work or school?
I decided I wasn't going to wait forever to see if they'd implement support for it and purchased an Android phone last week. So far "it just works."
Sure there is. This is the first time I've ever heard of this being employed on a phone. That's new.
After messing around with one, I can say it's doing its job. Probably the smoothest ghost-free motion I've ever seen on a phone.
Standard feature of phone LCD's? I don't think so... Can you find any other phones with an an IPS LCD that has a true sub-9ms response time?Yes, marketing a standard feature of LCDs as a new innovation is, in fact, something new. That's also something I'd expect from Apple more than Nokia, but whatever.
I see plenty of ghosting there, it's just masked by the fade effects used in the UI. They never pan the UI left/right, so it's really difficult to pick out.Google's high speed shots of the Galaxy Nexus don't show any ghosting either: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCVMvvXHqxU
So screen with...Also don't confuse building a better screen with doing something unique/innovative. All desktop LCDs have overdrive but not all of them get it right or do it well.
You jumped the gun. I can confirm that WP7 and WP8 can connect via PEAP once the root certificate is installed on the device (this isn't required for all PEAP-protected networks).
My college's network uses this security system, and both my WP7 and WP8 handsets have connected to it without complaint. So far they "just work" too
I'm not sure what you mean here... what did I "make" it do, exactly? As far as I can tell, WP "figured it out" all by itself as well...Well sure it "just works," once you made WP do what iOS and Android figured out themselves.
Standard feature of phone LCD's? I don't think so... Can you find any other phones with an an IPS LCD that has a true sub-9ms response time?
I see plenty of ghosting there, it's just masked by the fade effects used in the UI. They never pan the UI left/right, so it's really difficult to pick out.
So screen with...
1. Higher PPI and higher resolution than the iPhone 5 or the Samsung Galaxy S III (Lumia 920 packs 1280x768 onto a 4.5" screen)
2. Full RGB matrix (None of that Pentile nonsense)
3. ClearBlack (low-reflectance, making the screen very viewable in direct sunlight)
4. PureMotion (sub-9ms response times on an IPS panel)
5. Super-sensative touch (touchscreen will work through gloves or with almost any object being used as a stylus)
...all rolled into one product isn't unique or innovative? uh... I don't know of any device besides the Lumia 920 with a screen like that.
Nope, it's in the video itself... which is a slow motion video recorded at 300 FPS. At such a slow playback speed, the properties of my monitor pretty much don't matter as far as ghosting goes (viewed this on a Dell U2412M, for reference).Then your desktop/laptop monitor suffers from ghosting, go buy a new one.
As I mention later, this entire list, taken TOGETHER, on one screen makes a pretty compelling offering. You're not going to find any other screen with ALL of these features at once.1. A whopping ~3% higher - no, that's not worth mentioning. Also, 920 gets curb stomped by the Droid DNA here.
Never said they did, but they also don't have many of the other things in this list. Again, this list was meant to be taken as a whole... I quite clearly wrote "all rolled into one product"2. iPhone 5, Nexus 4, HTC One X, etc... don't have pentile either
None of them have this polarizer setup (it's exclusive to Nokia). I'd be very surprised if they could exceed the 920's low screen reflectance. The iPhone has made a big deal about its low reflectance before, and Engadget found that the Lumia 900 (which also uses ClearBlack) beat it.3. Other devices make similar claims (for example, LG's "Zerogap Touch" claims to improve outdoor visibility) - need actual comparisons
You said yourself it was "standard," surely you have comparisons with other phones if it's so common?4. Without actual measurements and comparisons to other screens this is meaningless.
No, no I did not. Nokia and various users have demoed some pretty random objects being used to interact with the Lumia 920's screen, including a silverware and a banana...5. Works through gloves, yes, but you made up the part about using "any object as a stylus".
Nope, it's in the video itself... which is a slow motion video recorded at 300 FPS. At such a slow playback speed, the properties of my monitor pretty much don't matter as far as ghosting goes (viewed this on a Dell U2412M, for reference).
Also, the ghosting wouldn't stick around when I paused the video if it were my monitor causing it
As I mention later, this entire list, taken TOGETHER, on one screen makes a pretty compelling offering. You're not going to find any other screen with ALL of these features at once.
None of them have this polarizer setup (it's exclusive to Nokia). I'd be very surprised if they could exceed the 920's low screen reflectance. The iPhone has made a big deal about its low reflectance before, and Engadget found that the Lumia 900 (which also uses ClearBlack) beat it.
You said yourself it was "standard," surely you have comparisons with other phones if it's so common?
And 9ms is a concrete number for average G2G response time. Not sure how that's meaningless, since it's not a relative measurement...
No, no I did not. Nokia and various users have demoed some pretty random objects being used to interact with the Lumia 920's screen, including a silverware and a banana...
Also, I said ALMOST any object. I don't appreciate the misquote.
Sure there was? You can see it clearly when the slower version of Android drops frames and quickly skips ahead in an animation, there's a clear after-image that shows up even with the video paused. It's not a compression artifact, it's underneath the macro-blocking.Alright, then maybe double check your eyes. There wasn't any ghosting in that video.
I never said anything about finding the Nokia marketing terms in other phones... You're putting words in my mouth.Correct, you won't find 2 Nokia marketing terms in other smartphones - you will quite easily find other phones with equally good displays with their own party tricks the 920 doesn't have, though.
I said "iPhone," I did not specify iPhone 5, you assumed that without basis. Given that I said the comparison was with the Lumia 900 and not the 920, it was pretty obviously an older review against an older iPhone (the iPhone 4, in this case).As for objective measurements, DisplayMate puts the Lumia 900's contrast under high ambient light (aka, outdoor simulation) at 90 ( http://www.displaymate.com/Mobile_Brightness_ShootOut_2.htm ) whereas the iPhone 5 scores 121 ( http://www.displaymate.com/Smartphone_ShootOut_2.htm )
My reading comprehension is just fine...You really, really suck at "reading comprehension", huh? I said overdrive is standard, not that 9ms G2G is standard. I said numerous times that response times and quality of RTC/overdrive implementation vary.
Like i said 9ms G2G is not a relative measurement. 9ms is a finite unit of time. The average time it takes the screen to transition between black and gray / white and gray is 9ms. That is an absolute value.Because we don't have anything to compare it against? Also as a general rule you should never, ever trust the numbers manufacturers give you when it comes to displays - this is a rule proven over, and over, and over again on the desktop side of things, and I see no reason they wouldn't pull the same stunts on the mobile side as well.
A universe where there are categories of material properties shared amongst multiple objects of similar type?In what universe does 2 objects == "ALMOST any object"? It's still a capacitive screen - all the same rules of what can and can't be used as a stylus remain unchanged as a result...
I'm not sure what you mean here... what did I "make" it do, exactly? As far as I can tell, WP "figured it out" all by itself as well...
Both WP7 and WP8 handsets have connected to my campus wifi (which is secured with PEAP) by simply entering a username and password, exactly the same thing you do on iOS and Android.
The only situation where you have to install a certificate by hand is if it was self-signed (I mentioned not all PEAP-secured networks require manual cert installation, remember?). If the network is using a self-signed cert, then Android and iOS will also require manual certificate installation.
So, yeah, it just works...
Since Google is falling back to IMAP, Gmail accounts will no-longer push email to devices.ok so with the new Gmail thing, can you or can you not get push Gmail on WP8 anymore?