Cops Taser Woman Buying Too Many iPhones

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DejaWiz said:
Oh, so law enforement personnel sword to protect the innocent and uphold the law are all of a sudden overgrown bully infants when a person isn't complying and causing a disturbance? I, for one, am glad that this belligerent person got tased. It's classified as a non-lethal/non-permanent-damaging device that has saved a lot of lives, both police and civilian. Rewind the clock about 20 years, and there'd by a hell of a lot more news stories like this but with someone ending up shot or killed.
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Non-lethal is non-lethal in the same way that the Department of Defense is concerned with national defense. It's as much a marketing term as anything else.

Here's the thing: non-lethal weapons DO kill and that includes tasers. The casual way that so many people treat news of someone being tased makes them that much more likely to be overused (which they absolutely are) and as such increases the odds of people being killed.

Remember Oscar Grant? The cop in question claimed that he had meant to taser him instead. Whether or not that is true mistaken shootings of that sort are another risk of excessive use of force, which is what this story involves.

Police in many parts of the world don't even carry guns usually because of their tendency to cause situations to escalate dangerously, the last thing we should be doing here is praising excessive force.
 
Even though she doesn't speak English, she should've shouted, "Don't tase me, bro!". That's pretty much universal. :p
 
nobody else noticed the lady passing out while being filmed? that was the biggest LOL for me.
 
Semantics said:
Yes because once you get someone in handcuffs they go completely limp and give up on everything and you can just easily transport them outside to your police car and escort them to the station.
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No, they're very manageable. That's why they use handcuffs. Or perhaps, since you're so smart, you can suggest a better binding option. (See how dickish that sounded? Don't sound like that.)
 
Semantics said:
Yes because once you get someone in handcuffs they go completely limp and give up on everything and you can just easily transport them outside to your police car and escort them to the station.
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You make me think of the guys who were defending cops for tasering an elementary school kid because he was making a scene.

Let me put it this way, I was a very energetic child and people with far less of a weight (and training) advantage managed to restrain and/or escort me without any real harm. I'm pretty sure those two could have taken a tiny asian woman, because if they couldn't they have no business being in that line of work.
 
Let me get this straight. She bought the items (very *expensive* items) and came to the store to pick them up. But the management refused to give her the items she has already paid for on grounds of a policy that they don't even follow. I'm not a native English speaker so the word escapes me at the moment, but what do you call people that regularly makes exceptions to rules and only applies them to certain people?

The woman's mistake is that she failed to adapt to American idiosyncrasies. It's normal to get the facts and confront them with it personally, but in America you don't do that. You're supposed to give the evidence she got to a lawyer and sue the pants off them. As per American custom.
 
she bought 2 , it said limit 2, she tried to buy some they turned her away.
She bought more online and came to get them in store. At which point asked the cops to take her away... shop people being angry that she tried to game the system sure but making her look like a hardcore criminal to the cops is just wrong.
That's where cops should use their deduction skills to see that she's an old lady, and not a physical threat.
 
Semantics said:
Yes because once you get someone in handcuffs they go completely limp and give up on everything and you can just easily transport them outside to your police car and escort them to the station.
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If you can't manage someone in handcuffs, let a lone a small woman, you'd probably need more training as a cop. Hell, just holding their arms up make people lose their ability to resist pretty well. The handcuffs just enforces it better because they can't move it to a better position even if let go.
 
To be fair, I think no matter what the cops did, people would still probably say they did too much, and the headline would instead be something along the lines of "Cops Brutalize/Use Unnecessary Force Against/[insert aggressive verb here] Woman Buying Too Many iPhones". As for the situation that lead to the tasing, in the same situation (assuming I would escalate something like this to the point where the police are involved) I probably would've complied with the police and sought to get what I wanted in another way... or just in a way that won't end up with them having to apply force. And the language barrier thing... the cops showing up should kind of transcend any confusion there might have been. *Shrug*
 
achensherd said:
I think no matter what the cops did, people would still probably say they did too much, and the headline would instead be something along the lines of "Cops Brutalize/Use Unnecessary Force Against.....
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But, thats exactly what they did.
2 big ex-marine looking cops on top of a small, old lady. Give me a break. Of course its excessive, they used a WEAPON on the lady. Those 2 big dudes couldn't take her? Really man? Really? Gotta pull out the electric knife because she might run away....:rolleyes:
 
LeviathanZERO said:
But, thats exactly what they did.
2 big ex-marine looking cops on top of a small, old lady. Give me a break. Of course its excessive, they used a WEAPON on the lady. Those 2 big dudes couldn't take her? Really man? Really? Gotta pull out the electric knife because she might run away....:rolleyes:
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What I'm saying is that no matter how they removed her from the premises, short of her walking out on her own, it would likely have been taken as excessive. Basically any amount of force would've been excessive. I have no disagreement about the taser being excessive.
 
Now if only they'd use that kind of force on illegal immigrants as they escort them out of the country.
 
If she was Asian, and she looked that way to me, then I believe I understand the language problem.

They were telling her to assemble the phones - not buy them. :D
 
StryderxX said:
QFT! The woman was not cooperating with anyone. She wanted the phones and didn't want to hear anything else. The store asked her to leave, she didn't. The cops show up and ask her to leave, she doesn't. So she gets physically removed from the store and STILL RESISTS! At that point she is putting herself in a position where the officers are going to use extra force to subdue her. Everything that happened to her was caused by her own actions.
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...except that she didn't get what she PAID FOR!

That is like "legal robbery".
 
The simple fact that she bought & paid for the iCrap & they wouldn't give them to her.. Also did she know she wasn't allowed to come back? Reading the article it sounds to me as if this was an internal Apple store thing & nowhere in there does it show she was previously notified..
 
First, the Apple employee's were Dicks. A Stay-Away order? Over purchasing iPhones? And making them, like, money?

I know some workers in Apple Stores can be pretentious little pricks, but I can't help but feel there is something going on we're not being told here.
 
All you cop haters are idiots. Cops taze because department policy tells them exact when and where to taze, and to not use physical force. Policy, dictated by civilian leadership and local governments tired of being sued by morons who got a few bruises because they acted up when the police are just trying to do their job. One of those most thankless jobs in the world.
 
StaticSurge said:
Shit disturber/attention whore. Got what she deserved.

Seems like there's a lot of them these days. :rolleyes:
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Paid for iPhone.
Went to store to pick it up.
Denied, said 2 iPhones were the limit, even tho they've already taken her money.
She sees other customers being able to buy more than 2 iPhones.
She takes a video of it as proof.
She confronts them with it.
Store sidesteps the fact that they're acting on conspiracy and calls the cops for disturbing the peace.
 
At least Apple didn't have the police break into her house and confiscate them. They would never do that.

Oh, wait...
 
Monkey God said:
All you cop haters are idiots.
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No, we're not. Cops deny the rights of, injure, and kill innocent people on a regular basis. It's too bad that the actions of the good cops are far outshadowed by the actions of the bad ones, but it's not the fault of citizens that power-tripping thugs get out of hand.
 
Sly said:
Paid for iPhone.
Went to store to pick it up.
Denied, said 2 iPhones were the limit, even tho they've already taken her money.
She sees other customers being able to buy more than 2 iPhones.
She takes a video of it as proof.
She confronts them with it.
Store sidesteps the fact that they're acting on conspiracy and calls the cops for disturbing the peace.
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Not quite.
She tried to buy multiple phones. They told her only 2. She bought two.
On the way out she saw what looked like other people buying more then two.
She video taped that and was asked to leave the premises.
Apple store notified the police (not her) that she wasn't allowed on the premises.
She ordered another two online.
Was notified to come into the store that she did not know she was banned from.
Apple Identified her when she came in. Called the police and refused to give her, her paid for merchandise.
Police arrive and escort her out of the store. She doesn't understand why she can't get her paid for product. Between frustration at that and probably not understanding why the company that just stole 1k of product from is allowed to go scott free while she is being arrested, along with a language barrier. She is tased for "resisting" arrest. From the video tased several times for twitching as both a involuntary action due to the electricity and wincing in pain.

In which there are several problems with this. For example Apple employees sticking to a policy that they themselves in that store break all the time when it means that they can boost their bottom line (selling accessories) to the point of calling the cops. The cops caring nothing about a citizen, to the point of not trying to figure out what it was all about in the first place. Me I am lazy enough that I would ask, just to avoid having to go through the paperwork. People trained in keeping the peace should be doing that from square one. How hard would it have been to negotiate her getting her paid for product and then telling her that if she tried that again and had to come to the store again, she would be arrested for trespassing? Even if it continued to escalate. I have watched cops sadly for nearly 2 decades. You see hundreds of examples people twice as big as her get quickly put into submission when they try to move their arms away when getting cuffed. They were and should be trained on how to do that without resorting to a weapon of any sort. Leathal or non-lethal.
 
LeviathanZERO said:
2 big ex-marine looking cops on top of a small, old lady.
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Ummm she wasn't an old lady.

This is how these sorts of discussion/stories get out of hand, additional adjectives are used to place blame/make a victim, she's a "small old lady" and "2 big ex-marine looking cops" well your eyes must be better than mine because what I saw from that tiny video hardly looked like 2 ex-marine looking people, and the woman actually looked to be a comparable size to them, not as bulky to be sure but not a 80 pound little lady either, in the news interview she didn't look like an old lady either.

What I saw in that entire 4 seconds of video that has been circulating, was a lady face down and handcuffed, still squirming around, then tazed and screamed (because yeah it doesn't feel good). I love how everyone can make an instant judgement from that tiny clip and automatically vilify the police. Obviously she was asked to leave before the cops showed up since the police weren't exactly waiting for her to return, obviously she refused all requests (oh yeah lets blame the language barrier!), obviously she was handcuffed because she refused to leave, obviously she struggled/fought the cops quite a bit while being handcuffed because she was face down on the ground which is where the cops put you if they can't get the cuffs on you, obviously she wasn't complying in the least which is why she got tazed. Now is all of that justifiable? Maybe, maybe not, but this all could have been averted if she would have left the area, and who knows maybe explain what happened to the cops outside of the mall, but oh yeah language barrier, which obviously isn't THAT horrible since she knew enough language to understand that buying more than 2 wasn't allowed and she video taped others buying more and used that as evidence.
 
Tudz said:
Talk about excessive force. Those two big burly cops couldn't remove her without having to taser her?
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Tasering is actually a safer way to subdue suspects. Not only for the police but for the suspects as well. Also, taseris non-lethal and doesn't permanently harm someone. It looks better for the police in court than a bunch of assorted bruises would.

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If a cop gets close to a suspect then there is a chance for a struggle for the officer's weapon, they are in range to be spit on, barfed on, stabbed, etc. From the suspects perspective they don't need to be manhandled, thrown on the ground, punched, choked, tackled, or any of that.
 
Topweasel said:
Not quite.
She tried to buy multiple phones. They told her only 2. She bought two.
On the way out she saw what looked like other people buying more then two.
She video taped that and was asked to leave the premises.
Apple store notified the police (not her) that she wasn't allowed on the premises.
She ordered another two online.
Was notified to come into the store that she did not know she was banned from.
Apple Identified her when she came in. Called the police and refused to give her, her paid for merchandise.
Police arrive and escort her out of the store. She doesn't understand why she can't get her paid for product. Between frustration at that and probably not understanding why the company that just stole 1k of product from is allowed to go scott free while she is being arrested, along with a language barrier. She is tased for "resisting" arrest. From the video tased several times for twitching as both a involuntary action due to the electricity and wincing in pain.

In which there are several problems with this. For example Apple employees sticking to a policy that they themselves in that store break all the time when it means that they can boost their bottom line (selling accessories) to the point of calling the cops. The cops caring nothing about a citizen, to the point of not trying to figure out what it was all about in the first place. Me I am lazy enough that I would ask, just to avoid having to go through the paperwork. People trained in keeping the peace should be doing that from square one. How hard would it have been to negotiate her getting her paid for product and then telling her that if she tried that again and had to come to the store again, she would be arrested for trespassing? Even if it continued to escalate. I have watched cops sadly for nearly 2 decades. You see hundreds of examples people twice as big as her get quickly put into submission when they try to move their arms away when getting cuffed. They were and should be trained on how to do that without resorting to a weapon of any sort. Leathal or non-lethal.
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Thank you for bringing the uncommon sense back to this thread.
Again I say, 2 big ass marine looking dudes need to taser a small old lady? Absurd in any light. Cop haters? No dude, we hate stupid cops that don't use their brain. They really thought they couldn't take that lady, that she was a threat? Those men should have their badges revoked and go get a job in basket-weaving, since you know a lady half their size is a threat to them, which means they are inadequate as PEACE officers.
 
so why was she buying so many phones to begin with?...to resell them?...sounds like she had shady plans so maybe the Taser knocked some sense into her :D
 
Evil Juggalo said:
Simple..
Learn the local language and rules before doing stupid shit.. If a cop walks out and point you out of a store.. you leave..

stupid ass deserved it.
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Fun fact: The United States is one of very few countries in the world that doesn't have an official language. Nobody's required to speak English. How the fuck is buying more than one iPhone considered "doing stupid shit" anyways?
 
Azhar said:
Fun fact: The United States is one of very few countries in the world that doesn't have an official language. Nobody's required to speak English. How the fuck is buying more than one iPhone considered "doing stupid shit" anyways?
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The moment anyone call the cops, most people assume that whatever the cops were called for was worthwhile, hence "stupid". We're very well programmed. Nobody ever overreacts...neither the people who called the cops, nor the cops themselves, with their taser, baton, pepper spray, handcuffs, carried firearm(that nobody questions), etc.
 
sfsuphysics said:
Ummm she wasn't an old lady.

This is how these sorts of discussion/stories get out of hand, additional adjectives are used to place blame/make a victim, she's a "small old lady" and "2 big ex-marine looking cops" well your eyes must be better than mine because what I saw from that tiny video hardly looked like 2 ex-marine looking people, and the woman actually looked to be a comparable size to them, not as bulky to be sure but not a 80 pound little lady either, in the news interview she didn't look like an old lady either.

What I saw in that entire 4 seconds of video that has been circulating, was a lady face down and handcuffed, still squirming around, then tazed and screamed (because yeah it doesn't feel good). I love how everyone can make an instant judgement from that tiny clip and automatically vilify the police. Obviously she was asked to leave before the cops showed up since the police weren't exactly waiting for her to return, obviously she refused all requests (oh yeah lets blame the language barrier!), obviously she was handcuffed because she refused to leave, obviously she struggled/fought the cops quite a bit while being handcuffed because she was face down on the ground which is where the cops put you if they can't get the cuffs on you, obviously she wasn't complying in the least which is why she got tazed. Now is all of that justifiable? Maybe, maybe not, but this all could have been averted if she would have left the area, and who knows maybe explain what happened to the cops outside of the mall, but oh yeah language barrier, which obviously isn't THAT horrible since she knew enough language to understand that buying more than 2 wasn't allowed and she video taped others buying more and used that as evidence.
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What?
It was a 2 minute video with an interview her and her husband. If thats not a small lady, I don't know what to tell you. Those 2 guys were way more than enough, no 1 of those guys was more than enough to subdue her.
 
OK, nothing more new to see in this thread. Was a fun read though....not really.

Moral of the story, "Don't buy Apple products and the police will not taser you." At least that is what I got from it.
 
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