How many of you actually "like" windows 8 now?

Please vote: (for fun)

  • I like it now a lot more, I always liked it.

    Votes: 178 53.9%

  • I hate it now for real, never going to buy a copy. Die, just die windows 8!!

    Votes: 112 33.9%

  • What's going on? What's windows 8?

    Votes: 40 12.1%
  • Total voters
    330
Linden said:
side bar: Uhh, it happens to be a computer enthusiast site - a darn good one - that includes gaming. :D
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Well then, as a computer enthusiast, wouldn't you agree it's worth spending time customizing your computer just the way you want it? :D
 
Tsumi said:
Arguing about an OS is extremely counterproductive.
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Wrong, this stuff I do for fun.

You use it for work, a lot of us gamers use it for fun (this is a gaming forum, right?), and we will spend time to make sure our OS is personalized for us.

Working on another person's computer... well you can't exactly complain about that. It's your job and you're supposed to deal with whatever headaches your customer brings in.
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That doesn't mean I have to like it when the OS maker makes my daily life harder for no reason whatsoever. The interface changes are a major annoyance that force me to keep track on all major versions of windows starting from XP (thank God we only have 1 customer that still uses Windows98). This creates a needless extra burden that I would happily live without.
 
Tsumi said:
Well then, as a computer enthusiast, wouldn't you agree it's worth spending time customizing your computer just the way you want it? :D
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On windows definately not. Unless you're ready to invest a major portion of your free time for years and start to code desktop replacements etc. you're going to have to rely on third party offerings which are either going to cost you or risk having embedded malware - or sometimes both.

That's why I have a linux distro that I've tailored exactly to my liking and other times I use OSX since it's good enough out of the box. Not perfect, good enough. I especially like the small details like being able to ssh directly to our linux servers from command line.
 
MIT Professor: Windows 8 is Xmas Gift for Someone You Hate

Disruptive change is rarely welcomed with unison cheers.

ZoomMore than likely, Microsoft was very well aware that the Windows 8 UI would be very divisive and would require a massive change in the way a user interface is perceived and what it is supposed to do in various ways.

Following what seemed to be a reasonable balance between positive and negative reviews in the media, there is a noticeable uptick in negative commenting on Windows 8, some of which lack the type of balance we typically need to make a purchase decisions, but the type of commenting that clearly influences our perception of what Windows 8 is and what it is not.

An blog post that caught our attention was published by MIT computer science professor Philip Greenspun, who suggested Windows 8 as a gift for people you hate. It is one of the least flattering opinions of the operating system published to date, comparing the UI of the operating system to a "dog's breakfast." His conclusion is that "Microsoft has had since October 2008 to study Android" and "since June 2007 to study iPhone", but "they did not figure out what is good about the standard tablet operating systems."

Greenspun also chastised media for given Windows 8 positive reviews: "My theory is that journalists love anything new, different, and complicated. Windows 8 is all of those things." The only positive note was given to "some of the supplied apps", which "are wonderful".
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I like it, I use Metro screen as I was using start menu or desktop. I've the applications I use most pinned there, and switching from desktop to metro UI is just one touch of button. It's faster, better and easier then start menu. Speaking not that it seems to operate more seamless, starts and closes faster then W7, and absolutely didn't have any drivers/hardware problems.
 
bigdogchris said:
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Oh good, another supposed expert who does not have a freaking clue! :rolleyes: I do not want an android tablet or IPad toy, I want a tablet that is also a real freaking computer. Windows 8 gives me that and more!

These people need to STFU and stop with the, Your going to buy, use and like that IPad and Android whether you like it or not! I know what I want, what I use and what I need and it is not an IToy or Antoy at all. I did not purchase a tablet until windows 8 exactly because I needed a tablet that could do real work and a tablet as well.

Now, cut the crap, Ipad and androids do NOT DO what I want and never will. Thank you Microsoft for actually giving me what I wanted and needed, not what everyone else says I should use. (If you do not like this then you can take you pads and shove them where the sun does not shine!)
 
ManofGod said:
Oh good, another supposed expert who does not have a freaking clue! :rolleyes: I do not want an android tablet or IPad toy, I want a tablet that is also a real freaking computer. Windows 8 gives me that and more!
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Why on earth would you want to use a tablet with an OS that's not optimized for a tablet and desktop with an OS that's compromised because of tablets?

Using a desktop OS on a tablet is a nightmare. Tablet is just too small, too clumsy and if you're going to drag wireless keyboards, docking stations etc. with you you're going to be laughed at. Deservedly! :D

I have seen one (1) person to date like Windows 8. My uncle, who has 5 thumbs in each hands when it comes to computers. He has a windows phone and he was delighted to see the 'familiar' tiles after I installed the release preview to his computer.
 
B00nie said:
Why on earth would you want to use a tablet with an OS that's not optimized for a tablet and desktop with an OS that's compromised because of tablets?
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Because I can do more with a single device. All the apps that run on the desktop in Windows 7 run just the same on Windows 8, just as optimized. Web browsing, media playback, Angry Birds, etc. work with touch just as they would on iOS or Android, no real difference.

This notion of optimization is mostly irrelevant as applications, both desktop and tablet, are optimized for their respective UIs.
 
heatlesssun said:
Because I can do more with a single device. All the apps that run on the desktop in Windows 7 run just the same on Windows 8, just as optimized. Web browsing, media playback, Angry Birds, etc. work with touch just as they would on iOS or Android, no real difference.

This notion of optimization is mostly irrelevant as applications, both desktop and tablet, are optimized for their respective UIs.
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It's nonsense to claim your apps would run the same on desktop and a tablet - unless you happen to have a desktop with no keyboard, mouse and a 7" touch screen. Not to mention running on a 10 year old processor and 256Mb ram.
 
B00nie said:
Why on earth would you want to use a tablet with an OS that's not optimized for a tablet and desktop with an OS that's compromised because of tablets?

Using a desktop OS on a tablet is a nightmare. Tablet is just too small, too clumsy and if you're going to drag wireless keyboards, docking stations etc. with you you're going to be laughed at. Deservedly! :D

I have seen one (1) person to date like Windows 8. My uncle, who has 5 thumbs in each hands when it comes to computers. He has a windows phone and he was delighted to see the 'familiar' tiles after I installed the release preview to his computer.
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Why on earth would I want to use a tablet that gets no real work done and costs as much as a real computer? The Acer W500 I have is not to small or clumsy to get real work done on. It also lets me use it as a tablet to surf the web or do email if I want to.

Also, I can hook it up to my 1920 x 1200 27 inch monitor, use a wireless keyboard and mouse and it runs quite well. Of course, you already know that.
 
ManofGod said:
Why on earth would I want to use a tablet that gets no real work done and costs as much as a real computer? The Acer W500 I have is not to small or clumsy to get real work done on. It also lets me use it as a tablet to surf the web or do email if I want to.

Also, I can hook it up to my 1920 x 1200 27 inch monitor, use a wireless keyboard and mouse and it runs quite well. Of course, you already know that.
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Yes, you seem to be just the type who creates chuckles in meetings by bringing in a toy and a rucksack full of accessories, then start to create a lego set before the meeting :)

Acer - the name that sends chills to my spine.

The 500 seems to get good reviews:
The bottom line: The Acer Iconia Tab W500 works in several potentially good ideas, undone by half-baked physical design that makes it needlessly frustrating to use.
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I could have written that myself. From any Win tablet.
 
B00nie said:
It's nonsense to claim your apps would run the same on desktop and a tablet - unless you happen to have a desktop with no keyboard, mouse and a 7" touch screen. Not to mention running on a 10 year old processor and 256Mb ram.
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Hybrid device. Or I can hook up my tablet to an external monitor, keyboard and mouse.
 
B00nie said:
It's nonsense to claim your apps would run the same on desktop and a tablet - unless you happen to have a desktop with no keyboard, mouse and a 7" touch screen. Not to mention running on a 10 year old processor and 256Mb ram.
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Well, it is nonsense that you pretend to know what you are talking about in this instance. Thankfully, I have a choice and you cannot take that away from me. Also, who but you said anything about a 7 inch touch screen?
 
ManofGod said:
Well, it is nonsense that you pretend to know what you are talking about in this instance. Thankfully, I have a choice and you cannot take that away from me. Also, who but you said anything about a 7 inch touch screen?
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Any screen size below 15" is impractical for most purposes. Are you saying you're carrying a 27" tablet around? :D
 
B00nie said:
Any screen size below 15" is impractical for most purposes. Are you saying you're carrying a 27" tablet around? :D
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This is utterly false. I did most of my work towards my Master's on a 13" laptop.
 
B00nie said:
Wrong, this stuff I do for fun.



That doesn't mean I have to like it when the OS maker makes my daily life harder for no reason whatsoever. The interface changes are a major annoyance that force me to keep track on all major versions of windows starting from XP (thank God we only have 1 customer that still uses Windows98). This creates a needless extra burden that I would happily live without.
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Good job basically admitting that you're just a troll.

And it was not for no reason whatsoever. Microsoft needed leverage to get into the mobile market, and their dominance in the desktop market is the strongest leverage they have.

B00nie said:
Any screen size below 15" is impractical for most purposes. Are you saying you're carrying a 27" tablet around? :D
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Stop acting like everyone is like you. Seriously, that needs to stop, NOW.
 
I moved my HTPC and my 2 laptops to windows 8 without a second thought it very well fits in those area's after awhile i'll move windows 8 to my main boot for my desktop.
 
I still hate Metro on the desktop, do not really see that ever changing. However, on my HTPC that gets used primarily for watching movies/tv, extremely light web surfing/email, casual games, and the very occasional console port that works better with a 360 controller than kb/m, it is OK. It's is not nearly the pita to me that it is on a regular desktop.

Win 8 is pretty sweet once you restore the start menu, flush Metro, or set regular desktop apps as the default. The anti start menu, and pro choice groups can go back to bleating now.
 
GORANKAR said:
I still hate Metro on the desktop, do not really see that ever changing. However, on my HTPC that gets used primarily for watching movies/tv, extremely light web surfing/email, casual games, and the very occasional console port that works better with a 360 controller than kb/m, it is OK. It's is not nearly the pita to me that it is on a regular desktop.

Win 8 is pretty sweet once you restore the start menu, flush Metro, or set regular desktop apps as the default. The anti start menu, and pro choice groups can go back to bleating now.
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I like it with the 3rd party apps. I used the classic shell one, but am still wondering about IE.

I could just use chrome I guess, but I usually have IE's home page set to MSN. I cant seem to change it in win 8 so that it looks normal(non tablet). Can that be changed or do I just not visit msn anymore?(or any tablet sites, they look horrible)
 
It looks like 90%+ of the top paid iPad apps are games. I don't doubt the Windows App store will wind up being the same.

Lets break 20 years of Windows improvements to make an OS for people who want to play Angry Birds --brilliant idea!
 
Installed startisback onto my Windows 8 upgrade and my ability to multi-task is back. There's a lot of good stuff in windows 8 but forcing my view to full screen all the time is a deal breaker. Half of the charms and metro popup crap on the right side is useless. Click on the network connectivity icon you get a menu saying your connected to "ABC network" The wording appears to be clickable, but clicking on it has no effect. Congratulations we've just taken functionality away.

Too many clicks to get to power shutdown buttons. Alt-F4 is faster, but not visual at all. By default the administration tools are all exempted from search???? WTF?

Users like me who install 70+ programs are in for a tile management nightmare. Finding help files and extra associated tools that are packaged with programs becomes painful to an extreme degree. We get virtual technology aka Hyper-V but we still don't get gadgets back? Why is it so far to sandbox gadgets to (read) only calls? Or have the user authorize access to specific calls for each application (gadget) Firewalls have been doing something similar for years.
 
bigdogchris said:
It looks like 90%+ of the top paid iPad apps are games. I don't doubt the Windows App store will wind up being the same.

Lets break 20 years of Windows improvements to make an OS for people who want to play Angry Birds --brilliant idea!
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Considering the Microsoft Store is designed specifically to cater to tablet and smartphone users, I don't doubt that either.

The desktop productivity programs will remain mostly separate from the Microsoft Store. Also, hybrid tablet design doesn't mean anything to you?
 
Mackintire said:
The wording appears to be clickable, but clicking on it has no effect. Congratulations we've just taken functionality away.
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If it is a wired network you can right click and turn sharing on or off. On a wireless network you get the additional options to turn on metering. Clicking on a wireless connection gives the options to connect of disconnect and to connect automatically. Right clicking on the network icon in the task bar gives the option to open the Network and Sharing Center. So what functionality has been taken away.

Mackintire said:
By default the administration tools are all exempted from search???? WTF?
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Not sure what you mean here, could you clarify please?

Mackintire said:
Users like me who install 70+ programs are in for a tile management nightmare. Finding help files and extra associated tools that are packaged with programs becomes painful to an extreme degree. We get virtual technology aka Hyper-V but we still don't get gadgets back? Why is it so far to sandbox gadgets to (read) only calls? Or have the user authorize access to specific calls for each application (gadget) Firewalls have been doing something similar for years.
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I have 200+ apps and programs installed on my Windows 8 desktop. Management of tiles is very manual but they are pretty easy to arrange and very fast to navigated through when grouped and when using semantic zoom and a momentum mouse or touch mouse or track pad with flick momentum.
 
bigdogchris said:
It looks like 90%+ of the top paid iPad apps are games. I don't doubt the Windows App store will wind up being the same.

Lets break 20 years of Windows improvements to make an OS for people who want to play Angry Birds --brilliant idea!
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So you think is what a tablet, particularly a Windows 8 tablet is all about?
 
heatlesssun said:
If it is a wired network you can right click and turn sharing on or off. On a wireless network you get the additional options to turn on metering. Clicking on a wireless connection gives the options to connect of disconnect and to connect automatically. Right clicking on the network icon in the task bar gives the option to open the Network and Sharing Center. So what functionality has been taken away.





Not sure what you mean here, could you clarify please?



I have 200+ apps and programs installed on my Windows 8 desktop. Management of tiles is very manual but they are pretty easy to arrange and very fast to navigated through when grouped and when using semantic zoom and a momentum mouse or touch mouse or track pad with flick momentum.
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I wasn't referring to the task tray icon. I was referring to the metro crap that pops up on the right side of the page...about 2 inches from the top right of the screen.


Log into windows 7, hit the windows key, type computer management, hit enter....tada (no problems)

Log into windows 8, hit the windows key type computer management.....is it an app. Nope. Ok hit the down arrow key....it is a listed control panel object? Nope, again hit the down arrow key.... now you are in file search mode.... Is computer management there NOPE.

This problem does not exist on Server 2012. Microsoft assumes that desktop users will never search for any tools that are in the administrative tools group.

To fix this bring up administrative tools by manually opening up the control panel. Right click on Administrative tools and there should be an option there to enable search to index the administrative tools. Yike.....WTH are you thinking Microsoft?


Yes tiles can be manually managed. Its just a pain in the ass to view 200+ tiles on the page at one time. How about all the sub objects, and configuration tools that get installed with office? Do they REALLY need a tile for each one? If they don't have tiles how are you supposed to know that they exist? Is there a normal view where you can see all the neat stuff that gets installed with Office or do you have to browse for a significant period of time to discover where it was all placed? Once you organize your tiles, how do you deal with frequently used tiles verse non-frequently used tiles that associate to a given program. Its not like you have a hide this for the moment button where you can reveal all the associated configuration programs at a moments notice.
We used to do this with short cuts and folders. So great, if I treat the apps page like my start menu I will have 500+ tiles to migrate through......is this windows "readers digest large print edition? Where every installed object is magnified to a tile?


For a phone or a tablet this new interface is AWESOME, for the desktop is sucks in ways I can not describe. Parts of the interface are schizophrenic much like Windows Vista. Removing Aero as a default is fine.....removing all Aero features and not making them avialable just is Microsoft behaving like a ogre.

Again when you have a touch interface Windows 8 works well. With only a keyboard and a more normal mouse and especially in a development enviroment....the interface is conducive to a fairly large step back in productivity.
 
Mackintire said:
I wasn't referring to the task tray icon. I was referring to the metro crap that pops up on the right side of the page...about 2 inches from the top right of the screen.


Log into windows 7, hit the windows key, type computer management, hit enter....tada (no problems)

Log into windows 8, hit the windows key type computer management.....is it an app. Nope. Ok hit the down arrow key....it is a listed control panel object? Nope, again hit the down arrow key.... now you are in file search mode.... Is computer management there NOPE.

This problem does not exist on Server 2012. Microsoft assumes that desktop users will never search for any tools that are in the administrative tools group.

To fix this bring up administrative tools by manually opening up the control panel. Right click on Administrative tools and there should be an option there to enable search to index the administrative tools. Yike.....WTH are you thinking Microsoft?


Yes tiles can be manually managed. Its just a pain in the ass to view 200+ tiles on the page at one time. How about all the sub objects, and configuration tools that get installed with office? Do they REALLY need a tile for each one? If they don't have tiles how are you supposed to know that they exist? Is there a normal view where you can see all the neat stuff that gets installed with Office or do you have to browse for a significant period of time to discover where it was all placed? Once you organize your tiles, how do you deal with frequently used tiles verse non-frequently used tiles that associate to a given program. Its not like you have a hide this for the moment button where you can reveal all the associated configuration programs at a moments notice.
We used to do this with short cuts and folders. So great, if I treat the apps page like my start menu I will have 500+ tiles to migrate through......is this windows "readers digest large print edition? Where every installed object is magnified to a tile?


For a phone or a tablet this new interface is AWESOME, for the desktop is sucks in ways I can not describe. Parts of the interface are schizophrenic much like Windows Vista. Removing Aero as a default is fine.....removing all Aero features and not making them avialable just is Microsoft behaving like a ogre.

Again when you have a touch interface Windows 8 works well. With only a keyboard and a more normal mouse and especially in a development enviroment....the interface is conducive to a fairly large step back in productivity.
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Hey , the ONLY AERO FEATURE REMOVED was, get this, AERO GLASS! Wow, no way, you say, it can't be.:eek: I am sick of stuff like this that says, because you do not like it, it should not exist.

Basically, you are trying to shove iOS and Android down my throat and I do not want them, AT ALL! Having the choice across all my devices is exactly what I have been waiting for and why I now also have a real tablet that can do real work, not your toy stuff!

On my desktop, I like Metro and am looking forward to the improvements as well as having my desktop, exactly as it has always been. :eek: You have options to get your precious start menu back, use them.

Also, productivity is unchanged. I do not go along with the in crowd or being popular stuff, I go for what works for me. Of course, perhaps it is because I also was able to use Amiga and OS/2 Warp which, :eek:, had no start button.
 
You know, the more I use 8, the more I am liking it. There are all these hidden configuration things that I have found that makes this very nice. Things like having many of the utility capabilities (such the Run button) right on the Start screen makes that screen become very useful.
 
I wouldn't say I like it. More like I'm getting used to it.

I like to boot and application launch times. Win7 was already fast, but 8 is noticeably better.

File transfer seems faster too.

I also like the new task manager .
 
Me too. Especially when I have this killer theme on Windows 7 that lets me have the sharper edges of Windows 8. Aero Glass just makes everything feel more open and, well, transparent.


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The more I use Win 8 Pro, the more I like it. The new disk optimizer is very nice. I thought I would have to turn off automatic defrag due to the SSD but now with the optimizer Windows identifies SSDs from HDDs and automatically defrags HDDs and TRIMs SSDs. No adjustments or tweaks...it just does it for you.
 
Ive been using Windows 8 since it came out bought the upgrade through Microsoft and whilst there are people who don't like and don't want it I personally don't understand why, but each to his own, only niggle that I had was the start in my left hand monitor because when I go to open Outlook I accidently hit start, to stop this I put the task bar for that monitor on the hand side and now don't hit start, programs I use regularly are in the task bar in my main monitor along with buttons to switch off and restart, locking is easily done with Windows Key +L all in all I like it.
 
Lets face it people are going disagree. To me Windows 8 is Mini-van with a semi truck engine. If I want to take kids to a soccer game I will get a minivan with a normal engine, if I want to pull a Trailer with 40tons I will get a semi truck. I don't care for the design and lot of people will not so why argue about?
The enterprise is going to move away from desktops and laptops and move towards VDI/WEB Apps and do BYOD so what the point of buying a computer with lots of horse power? when a cheap android, ipad will suffice. Surface pro is just to damned much as of now.
Not sure if people are seeing this or not but Windows 8 is not about the GUI it never has been about that, its about a platform lock in.
Any way you guys argue away with the trolls, you all are running in the special olympics just because you think you won, it doesn't mean your less of a retard.(No offence to the mentally handicapped)
 
Any enterprise who plans to move to VDI is going to either suffer the consequences or return back to desktops IMO. I haven't seen a VDI yet that would work adequetly. Also web apps have big limitations, especially when under load. It's so typical to have people rolling their thumbs on certain days of the month when people are all filing reports etc. and the system fails to respond :)
 
Wrench00 said:
Not sure if people are seeing this or not but Windows 8 is not about the GUI it never has been about that, its about a platform lock in.
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You buy an iPad, you're locked into that ecosystem. You buy an Android device, you're locked into that ecosystem. It's no different than Windows.
 
heatlesssun said:
You buy an iPad, you're locked into that ecosystem. You buy an Android device, you're locked into that ecosystem. It's no different than Windows.
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The problem is that windows has always been open and Microsoft insisting into buying into the windows store, is not going to happen. The developers on the windows platform had had a freedom to do what they pleased now MS is going to tell them to give them 30% cut, their going to tell microsoft to fuck off. Oh wait they started doing that already. Desktop application will never go to the store, so the store is going to be just useless shit metro games.
 
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