$800 SFF build help please

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1. What will you be doing with this PC? Gaming, Photoshop (or other intensive programs), Overclocking, Web browsing, strictly HTPC/Playback, etc. (If you have multiple things you want to do with the system, make sure you rank them from most important to least important).
This pc will be for my dad to use as his business computer. its primary function will be running microsoft office with some web browsing and the occasional youtube/netflix thrown in for good measure.

2. What's your budget? Are tax and shipping included in this budget? Is your budget flexible? Is cost a driving factor in component selection?
$800, budget is flexible but cheaper is better.

3. Where do you live? Do you have any big B&M (brick and mortar) computer chains nearby (e.g. Microcenter, Fry's, etc)?
we live in fort worth, tx. my dad has stated that he would prefer to purchase online. we do have amazon prime.
4. What exact parts do you need for that budget? CPU, RAM, case, etc. The word "Everything" is not a valid answer. Please list out all the parts you'll need.
itx motherboard, case, cpu, psu, ram, a 256gb ssd, dvd drive, windows 8, microsoft office. i know throwing the software in the mix is a lot to ask with the $800 price, but if it can be done we want to do it.
5. If reusing any parts, what parts will you be reusing? Please be especially specific about the power supply. For reused parts, list brands, model #s, and, if applicable, firmware revisions.
reusing monitor, external hdd, mouse, keyboard
6. What specific features do you need in a motherboard? RAID? Firewire? Crossfire or SLI support? USB 3.0? SATA 6Gb/s? etc. Which is more important, size of the system or having the particular feature? Make sure you indicate *required* vs. *wanted* for each feature you list.
my dad has said he would like "a lot" of usb ports, although this could also be accomplished with a hub. newer technology is always better imo so if i can get sata 6gbs and usb 3.0 thats what i want.
7. What resolution output do you need? 1080p, 720p, DVD quality, etc for HTPC or list Vertical/horizontal resolution for non-HTPC SFF rigs. Do you need multiple monitor output?
his current monitor is 1600x900 i think, but this pc should be able to handle 1920x1080.
8. Does this system need to fit into a particular space? Think entertainment center shelves, closet space, rackmount, etc.
no, but it should be compact and he would prefer if it is small enough to easily transport in his car. he does a lot of presentations and usually just brings his netbook but every so often he needs more power.

9. How comfortable are you with custom case design/modification and electrical wiring? What tools do you have (Screwdrivers/Leatherman, Drill, Dremel, Metal snips, Soldering Iron, Bending Brake, CNC/Welding machines/Plasma cutter, etc...)?
i would prefer to not have to do any mods, but i can do some minor stuff if absolutely necessary. i have basic hand tools and a dremel.
10. How important is the noise/silence of this sytem? HTPCs typically want to be quiet while all-out SFF gaming rigs don't care
noise is a secondary concern, but it shouldnt be super loud. this pc will not be running a GPU and it wont be overclocked so i dont really forsee it being an issue anyway.

11. How mobile does this system need to be? Need a carrying handle or carrying straps? Is weight important (carry-on bag, etc)? Water cooling quick disconnects, etc?
a carrying handle or straps would be nice. it needs to be mobile enough that he could carry it with one hand. and it shouldnt weigh a ton, but mobility is not a primary concern.
12. Do you already have a legit and reusable/transferable OS key/license? If yes, what OS? Is it 32bit or 64bit? Remember that OEM copies of Win7 have issues with new motherboards
he does have a legit reusable copy of windows 7 64bit, but he would like to upgrade to windows 8.
13. When do you plan on building/buying the PC? Immediately, in a couple weeks, 3-5 years?
in the next week or two
 
Are you (and your dad) okay with being the sole source of support for the system? Lots of people who build their own systems still go for a pre-built for relatives and businesses (especially a business model with next day on-site warranty).

Full versions of Microsoft Office can become quite pricey. For example Microsoft Office Professional 2010 runs around $450. Add that to the $100 for Windows 8 (or $140 for 8 Pro) and $160-200 for a 256GB SSD and suddenly you've used up your entire budget while still having no computer. Which exact pieces of Office does your dad need? For example there is a $130 version of Office which only comes with Word, Excel, Powerpoint and OneNote. $230 gets you those four, plus Outlook. The full blown $450 Pro gives you those four and Outlook, plus Publisher and Access. Knowing which ones he needs can save money and/or the hassle of buying the wrong version.

Does he actually need MICROSOFT Office? If he just needs the functionality but don't actually need exactly Microsoft Office, then there are other options available such as OpenOffice/LibreOffice. Those are free and open source, and provide much of the same functionality as Microsoft Office. Since they are free, you can download and install them on your dad's current rig and have him try it out to see if it fits his needs. If so, he could be saving hundreds of dollars.

The other thing is that Office 2013 is coming out... maybe soon, so buying the current Office 2010 might not be the best idea right now.

Regarding Windows 8, I don't think there's anything it can do right now that Windows 7 cannot, other than maybe buying apps through Microsoft's app store or better touch support (a biggie, if he's using a touchscreen monitor then definitely go Windows 8). If someone did not have an OS to use or only has something much older such as XP, then Windows 8 may be a good choice. Otherwise sticking with Windows 7 is not necessarily a bad idea, and can save $100. Maybe put it as a business case. Ask your dad what he expects the $100 for Windows 8 to give him in terms of increased productivity and functionality that he couldn't get with the existing Windows 7.

For the hardware itself, here's what I would do as a general guideline, with rough pricing from Newegg and/or hot deals. I will note the reasons.

Pentium G2120 CPU $95
Ivy Bridge dual core, so low power draw and high (enough) performance. Use the included CPU cooler and enable a silent fan profile in BIOS.

ASRock H77M-ITX mobo $100
Alternately any other brand. H77 gives you a lot of features such as USB 3.0 and SATA 6G in the newest chipset available, but leaves out overclocking.

Samsung 8GB RAM kit $45
Best RAM money can buy, and it isn't even that expensive. Why it is even better for small systems is that it is the lowest profile desktop RAM on the market (tied with some Kingston stuff).

cheapest 256GB SSD $160-200
Out of the "good" SSDs, you won't be able to distinguish performance without actually benchmarking. Thus, buy based on what is on sale. Sales change daily and even hourly, so troll the hot deals forum as you can easily save $20-40 just by buying at the right time. Since you know this is what you want, feel free to buy ahead of other parts if you see a good deal. Good SSDs to buy are any Samsung, Crucial M4, any Intel, any Plextor. Some others are fine too (Kingston V+200 and HyperX 3k, many Corsair units) if the price is right. Alternately go with a smaller 128GB unit. Windows and Office won't take up more than probably 20-30GB and you can fit a LOT of documents in 100GB. Price ranges from $70-100 for these smaller capacity drives.

Antec ISK 300-150 or ISK 310-150 $80
Amazon is often the cheapest on these. The two are the same internally, just looking different on the front. I was originally going to choose something lighter in weight like the Antec ISK 110, or the lower wattage version of the ISK 300/310, but then I though about
how you said your dad might need to take it with him for presentations. The other choices use external power bricks. Just ONE time forgetting the brick at home can ruin a business meeting. The ISK 300/310 has an internal PSU that uses a normal power cord, so forgetting it won't be the end of the day.

Slim optical drive $20-30
Since the case I recommended can hold one, may as well include it for minimal cost.

Total $500 for hardware
 
yes i will be his tech support. i have built a few systems, just nothing smaller than mATX so im a little out of my element here and i havent kept up with hardware much since i built my system last christmas. also his needs are much different from what i would personally look for in a system.

i have tried to get him to to switch to open office, its what i use, but he says that he would rather avoid any potential compatibility issues with clients. i will relay the info about office 2013, i actually think hes currently using office 2010, dont know why he feels he needs another copy he just told me to price that in.

as to the ssd, he knows he needs a 256gb because with all his music (not played from the computer just stored for iphone) he is currently at 160gb. he doesnt anticipate needing much more storage than that, but he wants to be safe. all his other files are stored on the external hdd.

thats a good list. $500 for hardware is totally doable. im wondering about APUs? is there any reason why i should look in to them? i know they are small and dont use a lot of power but it is important that he can run complicated spreadsheets and power points flawlessly. he also has a tendency to leave a shit load of windows running at the same time.
 
i will relay the info about office 2013, i actually think hes currently using office 2010, dont know why he feels he needs another copy he just told me to price that in.

See if you can convince him to just keep using what he already owns. I was reading up on Office 2013 and it is pretty much the same, with a simplified user interface (to help facilitate touchscreen navigation) and... EVERYTHING you do is saved to cloud storage. Personally I'm not sure I like that idea.

as to the ssd, he knows he needs a 256gb because with all his music (not played from the computer just stored for iphone) he is currently at 160gb. he doesnt anticipate needing much more storage than that, but he wants to be safe. all his other files are stored on the external hdd.

How about running a 128GB SSD with a hard drive? 1TB 2.5" drives are pretty cheap. I see four of them at Newegg for $100 or less, and one at $70 shipped! The ISK 300/310 can hold two* 2.5" drives so it can easily take both an SSD and HDD. You can easily remap My Documents/Pictures/Music/Videos and Downloads to the second drive.

You can also put his other files on the second drive. That way you can use the external HDD as a backup. This is important if they are business files. A backup is not just files on an external, but an extra copy of the files.

*Actually you can fit three, with the third drive between the PSU and the drive bays. I put a spare SSD in that spot in mine.
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im wondering about APUs? is there any reason why i should look in to them? i know they are small and dont use a lot of power but it is important that he can run complicated spreadsheets and power points flawlessly. he also has a tendency to leave a shit load of windows running at the same time.

For your stated use, extra graphics oomph will have zero impact.
 
I would recommend the following if you do wish to bring this SFF gaming build around:
Cooler Master Elite 120 Advance (Love it,but does quite hot)
ASUS P8Z77-I
I5-2500K
AMD 7950
Samsung 830 256GB SSD
1TB WD Black
Blu-Ray Drive (If you rent movies from blockbuster or whatever)
8GB 1600MHZ Ram (More that sufficient for a gaming build)
Seasonic 750W PSU
Windows 7 or 8 (Of course)
 
did you read my post at all? NO gaming will be done on this pc of any kind. period. i do not need a video card, an HDD and i certainly do not need an unlocked processor or a blu ray drive. this computer is purely for business and web browsing.
 
I would recommend the following if you do wish to bring this SFF gaming build around:
Cooler Master Elite 120 Advance (Love it,but does quite hot)
ASUS P8Z77-I
I5-2500K
AMD 7950
Samsung 830 256GB SSD
1TB WD Black
Blu-Ray Drive (If you rent movies from blockbuster or whatever)
8GB 1600MHZ Ram (More that sufficient for a gaming build)
Seasonic 750W PSU
Windows 7 or 8 (Of course)

This isn't a gaming build as it's for his fathers business... I think the CM Elite 120 would be a good cheap in price case for this builds dollar requirements though.

Does your dad have a version of windows 7 that he could use to go the upgrade route for win 8? The reason I ask is because the win 8 upgrade is much cheaper than the full copy currently, there was also a lifehacker article recently published on how to get the upgrade for $15 instead of $38.

Also your father should be getting the business license of MS Office as it's for work, otherwise you'll take a chance of being asked later on to get the correct license for its uses.
 
I would recommend the following if you do wish to bring this SFF gaming build around:
Cooler Master Elite 120 Advance (Love it,but does quite hot)
ASUS P8Z77-I
I5-2500K
AMD 7950
Samsung 830 256GB SSD
1TB WD Black
Blu-Ray Drive (If you rent movies from blockbuster or whatever)
8GB 1600MHZ Ram (More that sufficient for a gaming build)
Seasonic 750W PSU
Windows 7 or 8 (Of course)

Thanks for giving me the first laugh of the day. Good thing I've already finished my coffee. :p

Let's deconstruct it.

Case has lousy stock cooling.

Motherboard expensive and overkill, even for overclocking.

CPU is older model.

Graphics card not needed.

Blu Ray drive not needed.

Power supply way overkill even with overclocking and that graphics card. Shouldn't need more than 500W. Heck, I'm running a GTX 670, five drives and a 3570K overclocked to 4.5GHz on a 450W PSU. My KAW tells me I'm well within power limits.
 
well we found his copy of office 2007. hes still undecided on whether to reuse it or to buy a copy of 2010 or 2013. his current copy of 7 is an upgrade on the copy of vista he received with his lenovo notebook. i am not sure whether it is possible to upgrade it again, but i will certainly broach the subject with him. he said hed be willing to go up to $600 on hardware if it would be beneficial.

we have also talked about storage options. he does not want to go with a secondary HDD. he says a 256gb ssd will more than satisfy his needs and his external drive is used exclusively for backup. i just want to make sure that for his purposes this system is lightning fast. so if i could upgrade him to a faster proc with around $50-100 more i would consider it.
 
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