"Why I’m uninstalling Windows 8" Article

MrCrispy said:
If you summarize all the Win 8 threads, there are basically 2 points of view -

1. Win 8 is great on tablets, not so much on desktop and is a pain to use for most people and is less productive

2. Win 8 is great everywhere, you need to learn the new ways on the desktop, don't hate change, the new UI is just as good or better.


heatlesssun, chinesepiratefood etc are firmly in the #2 camp. For everyone else (#1) all the complaints are about Metro on desktop only. Everyone agrees WinRT is great, and the kernel changes are great.
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Absolutely correct. I don't think I've read a single post saying Metro sucks on a tablet, in fact, I bet most people would lump heaps of praise about it, on a tablet. And as much as I bitch about Metro on the desktop, I have every intention of getting a Surface tablet when they come out, because I really think they built a great tablet OS.

You know what else? They built a nice desktop OS too.

They simply do not work well together on the same machine. This is what 99.999% of the complaints have been about. If MS would simply separate the experiences better, all the bitching and complaining would magically disappear.
 
MrCrispy said:
If you summarize all the Win 8 threads, there are basically 2 points of view -

1. Win 8 is great on tablets, not so much on desktop and is a pain to use for most people and is less productive

2. Win 8 is great everywhere, you need to learn the new ways on the desktop, don't hate change, the new UI is just as good or better.


heatlesssun, chinesepiratefood etc are firmly in the #2 camp. For everyone else (#1) all the complaints are about Metro on desktop only. Everyone agrees WinRT is great, and the kernel changes are great.
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maw said:
Absolutely correct. I don't think I've read a single post saying Metro sucks on a tablet, in fact, I bet most people would lump heaps of praise about it, on a tablet. And as much as I bitch about Metro on the desktop, I have every intention of getting a Surface tablet when they come out, because I really think they built a great tablet OS.

You know what else? They built a nice desktop OS too.

They simply do not work well together on the same machine. This is what 99.999% of the complaints have been about. If MS would simply separate the experiences better, all the bitching and complaining would magically disappear.
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I don't think we're the only ones saying that Windows 8 works well on the desktop. And if Microsoft added an off switch for Metro, I imagine most of the people that are complaining might stop but I don't see how that helps the problem really facing Windows which is flat to negative growth of traditional PCs. I've said it many times, if the PC market were growing at a nice clip, say 5%+ year over year I doubt that Windows 8 would be the product that it is and Microsoft would have be more inclined to developed a standalone tablet OS or a Metro off switch.

But the big difference between me and others and Windows 8 opponents as that we are trying to LEARN about what's there. I want to use Metro apps and see how they work. Of course they are geared for productivity but is that all you do on your PC is productive stuff? Is it only a work tool?
 
heatlesssun said:
But the big difference between me and others and Windows 8 opponents as that we are trying to LEARN about what's there. I want to use Metro apps and see how they work. Of course they are geared for productivity but is that all you do on your PC is productive stuff? Is it only a work tool?
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I'd be more than happy to use Metro apps on the platform they were designed for, tablets and phones. And no, I do NOT want them intruding on my PC experience. But if they want me to know about Metro, then why can't they be sand-boxed? Create a metro environment that runs in it's own separate WINDOW that I can drag and position on the desktop? I really would not mind a Metro window on the desktop where I can watch movies, check the weather, etc.. while I'm doing work.
 
maw said:
I'd be more than happy to use Metro apps on the platform they were designed for, tablets and phones. And no, I do NOT want them intruding on my PC experience. But if they want me to know about Metro, then why can't they be sand-boxed? Create a metro environment that runs in it's own separate WINDOW that I can drag and position on the desktop? I really would not mind a Metro window on the desktop where I can watch movies, check the weather, etc.. while I'm doing work.
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From some that I heard Paul Thurrott the Windows insider guy say once in a podcast is that the reason why Metro apps aren't Windows is due to the sandboxing. But in any case I think that this notion of not wanting Metro on the desktop will have no meaning as great Metro apps, especially games start coming to Metro. Most people are going to care about full screen or Windows for things that they run full screen and not in Windows anyway.

But if Metro is to become a platform for productivity apps then sure traditional windowing and the like will have to solved. And to be honest I'm not at all convinced that Microsoft want's to do that. I'm not saying that they don't want to make Metro integrate into the desktop, but I really don't see them turning Metro into just another desktop UI.
 
heatlesssun said:
I don't think we're the only ones saying that Windows 8 works well on the desktop. And if Microsoft added an off switch for Metro, I imagine most of the people that are complaining might stop but I don't see how that helps the problem really facing Windows which is flat to negative growth of traditional PCs. I've said it many times, if the PC market were growing at a nice clip, say 5%+ year over year I doubt that Windows 8 would be the product that it is and Microsoft would have be more inclined to developed a standalone tablet OS or a Metro off switch.
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Making Win 8 harder to use on the desktop helps that? If they did add a switch (and that's an extreme measure, there are many ways of doing it) then WinRT sales wouldn't be affected at all! It would in fact mean Win 8 would sell even more since it makes both types of users happy.

heatlesssun said:
But the big difference between me and others and Windows 8 opponents as that we are trying to LEARN about what's there. I want to use Metro apps and see how they work. Of course they are geared for productivity but is that all you do on your PC is productive stuff? Is it only a work tool?
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This is quite insulting. What makes you think other people don't know Metro or use Metro apps? I know plenty about Win 8 and I use a lot of Metro apps. But its not just a toy OS to play games on, its also a work tool. See what I did there?
 
MrCrispy said:
Making Win 8 harder to use on the desktop helps that? If they did add a switch (and that's an extreme measure, there are many ways of doing it) then WinRT sales wouldn't be affected at all! It would in fact mean Win 8 would sell even more since it makes both types of users happy.
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If Microsoft had put a Metro off switch in Windows 8, while it would have appeased some users, it would have totally undermined developers confidence in it. As opposed to being the way forward for Microsoft, it would have been seen as something that Microsoft had NO CONFIDENCE in because it came with an off switch.

Microsoft has a large and robust desktop ecosystem that no one is ever going to touch considering the declining nature of desktops, no one is even interested in really doing after Microsoft on the desktop at this point. Yes, Microsoft is leveraging it's dominance/monopoly in desktops to enter tablets, no question, and it's reasonable strategy considering they have no mobile market share.


MrCrispy said:
This is quite insulting. What makes you think other people don't know Metro or use Metro apps? I know plenty about Win 8 and I use a lot of Metro apps. But its not just a toy OS to play games on, its also a work tool. See what I did there?
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Well it seems like a lot of people here are trying to do everything to make Windows 8 behave live Windows 7:http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1714225
 
heatlesssun said:
But the big difference between me and others and Windows 8 opponents as that we are trying to LEARN about what's there. I want to use Metro apps and see how they work. Of course they are geared for productivity but is that all you do on your PC is productive stuff? Is it only a work tool?
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So by that token, you are 100% command line, no GUI - right? *nix runlevel 3 all the way, correct? ;)
 
zero2dash said:
So by that token, you are 100% command line, no GUI - right? *nix runlevel 3 all the way, correct? ;)
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Not at all. All I saying that I've spent more time trying to learn Windows 8 than to criticize irrelevancies like the Start Screen at boot.
 
maw said:
Absolutely correct. I don't think I've read a single post saying Metro sucks on a tablet, in fact, I bet most people would lump heaps of praise about it, on a tablet. And as much as I bitch about Metro on the desktop, I have every intention of getting a Surface tablet when they come out, because I really think they built a great tablet OS.

You know what else? They built a nice desktop OS too.

They simply do not work well together on the same machine. This is what 99.999% of the complaints have been about. If MS would simply separate the experiences better, all the bitching and complaining would magically disappear.
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Dunno about you but I haven't actually used Metro on a slate / surface device yet and until I do (or I read several journals saying its half decent) I'm going to reserve my judgement. But I do agree with you from the basis that it *looks* like a good fit.
 
Btw, funny that there is no support for live tiles in Office 2013, at least so far. Talk about not eating your down dog food!
 
haileris said:
Btw, funny that there is no support for live tiles in Office 2013, at least so far. Talk about not eating your down dog food!
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No, because they are desktop apps and desktop apps can't support live tiles which is odd but my understanding is that it breaks sandboxing. I would think that Microsoft will try to support this in future updates.
 
maw said:
Absolutely correct. I don't think I've read a single post saying Metro sucks on a tablet, in fact, I bet most people would lump heaps of praise about it, on a tablet. And as much as I bitch about Metro on the desktop, I have every intention of getting a Surface tablet when they come out, because I really think they built a great tablet OS.

You know what else? They built a nice desktop OS too.

They simply do not work well together on the same machine. This is what 99.999% of the complaints have been about. If MS would simply separate the experiences better, all the bitching and complaining would magically disappear.
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I disagree. I think Modern UI and the legacy desktop work well together on the same machine. Certainly I've had no problems in months of day to day use. Why is my opinion less valid than yours?

Further, how exactly would Microsoft "separate the experiences better?" The old, defunct Start Menu simply cannot run the Modern UI experience. People act as if there is some magic switch Microsoft could flip to restore the old Start Menu while placing the new Modern UI apps in it. There isn't. For all the whining about how Windows 8 looks, the real changes have taken place under the hood. No way is Microsoft writing off the work they've done on Windows to integrate the tools necessary to run Modern UI. Folks like me keep saying "get used to it" because that's what you're going to have to do.
 
Eman D. Rahym said:
I disagree. I think Modern UI and the legacy desktop work well together on the same machine. Certainly I've had no problems in months of day to day use. Why is my opinion less valid than yours?

Further, how exactly would Microsoft "separate the experiences better?" The old, defunct Start Menu simply cannot run the Modern UI experience. People act as if there is some magic switch Microsoft could flip to restore the old Start Menu while placing the new Modern UI apps in it. There isn't. For all the whining about how Windows 8 looks, the real changes have taken place under the hood. No way is Microsoft writing off the work they've done on Windows to integrate the tools necessary to run Modern UI. Folks like me keep saying "get used to it" because that's what you're going to have to do.
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of course they could, give the options to user to choose the correct desktop UI with normal start menu, or the new stupid metro.

Inside the start menu they could leave a shortcut called metro so once a year if i wanted to launch the tablet UI i could.

Instead their solution was to force tablet UI on desktop, this doesn't work, just like desktop UI didn't work on tablets, hence the reason why windows tablets been a failure so far.
 
nekrosoft13 said:
Instead their solution was to force tablet UI on desktop, this doesn't work, just like desktop UI didn't work on tablets, hence the reason why windows tablets been a failure so far.
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Another poster saying the Modern UI doesn't work on a desktop. I say it does, and does well.

We have a new UI paradigm on the desktop. It works or it doesn't or it works partially. No one I've read so far has asserted that Modern UI on the desktop works partially, so we're left with the case of it working or not. Now if everyone asserted that Modern UI doesn't work then we could pretty clearly conclude that it doesn't work. However, since some folks are asserting that it does work on the desktop we no longer can say that it doesn't work on the desktop. Plainly some people have adapted to it and are living happy, productive lives with it. Indeed, I'm sure more than one person on this board will vouch for me being a complete idiot and I adapted to Modern UI on the desktop within minutes of first encountering it. So, if an idiot can master Modern UI on the desktop within minutes, perhaps the problem doesn't lie so much with Modern UI but with the people complaining about it?
 
Eman D. Rahym said:
Another poster saying the Modern UI doesn't work on a desktop. I say it does, and does well.

We have a new UI paradigm on the desktop. It works or it doesn't or it works partially. No one I've read so far has asserted that Modern UI on the desktop works partially, so we're left with the case of it working or not. Now if everyone asserted that Modern UI doesn't work then we could pretty clearly conclude that it doesn't work. However, since some folks are asserting that it does work on the desktop we no longer can say that it doesn't work on the desktop. Plainly some people have adapted to it and are living happy, productive lives with it. Indeed, I'm sure more than one person on this board will vouch for me being a complete idiot and I adapted to Modern UI on the desktop within minutes of first encountering it. So, if an idiot can master Modern UI on the desktop within minutes, perhaps the problem doesn't lie so much with Modern UI but with the people complaining about it?
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+1 Metro rocks :D
 
Eman D. Rahym said:
Another poster saying the Modern UI doesn't work on a desktop. I say it does, and does well.

We have a new UI paradigm on the desktop. It works or it doesn't or it works partially. No one I've read so far has asserted that Modern UI on the desktop works partially, so we're left with the case of it working or not. Now if everyone asserted that Modern UI doesn't work then we could pretty clearly conclude that it doesn't work. However, since some folks are asserting that it does work on the desktop we no longer can say that it doesn't work on the desktop. Plainly some people have adapted to it and are living happy, productive lives with it. Indeed, I'm sure more than one person on this board will vouch for me being a complete idiot and I adapted to Modern UI on the desktop within minutes of first encountering it. So, if an idiot can master Modern UI on the desktop within minutes, perhaps the problem doesn't lie so much with Modern UI but with the people complaining about it?
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lawl.......installed it on my Core 2 Duo machine and promptly removed it. I do not have touch hardware and the Win 8 interface is MADE for touch hardware.
 
YeuEmMaiMai said:
lawl.......installed it on my Core 2 Duo machine and promptly removed it. I do not have touch hardware and the Win 8 interface is MADE for touch hardware.
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There's no evidence that an UI can't work well on both. In fact, I can open all my programs in fewer clicks on Windows 8 using M/KB on my desktop, the live tile apps are very useful and sleek for getting things like weather, and there are many technical improvement in Windows 8. At the end of the day, you can make all the noise you want about Windows 8 eating your dog, but unless you can quantify it, it's just noise.
 
I hated the idea of windows 8 until I gave it a shot. I got my msdn access through school the other week and I installed it on this laptop. I hated the idea of metro until I just realized it was just a graphical start menu. I still have my desktop, I still have access to all my programs, I just have a better start menu with more information in it. Performance feels the same minus the shorter boot time and the overall feel of the OS is just nice. I got 2 keys from MSDN and I like it enough to give it a shot on my desktop.
 
Opening Metro on various desktops is working much better for me, I still have all my usual shortcuts anyway :D
 
My main issue with Windows 8 is I don't like the new Start Screen or Metro/Modern UI. In places and at times, I feel forced to interact with the Start Screen and Metro/Modern UI. When I am forced to use something I don't like, that adds to the dislike. The new parts of the interface and the new ways of doing things do not appeal to my tastes. I enjoy using Windows 7, so this comes across to me as Microsft negatively tampering with a product I like.

I think Microsoft must realize that not everyone would like it, so that raises questions in my mind of Microsoft's stewardship of the platform. I hold out hope for Windows 9 not for a way back but for the possibility that Microsoft can make it into something I might enjoy using. I was ambivalent about the ribbon in Office 2007, but I felt Microsoft improved ribbons as time progressed, in their use in Windows 7 and Office 2010.

I have Windows 8 RTM Enterprise Evaluation installed on the laptop I use most at home (as I had with Windows 8 DP, CP, and RP). I have little doubt I will need to become used to it. It doesn't feel like a terrible fit. I wonder if I would get it better if I had a tablet to run it on, but that isn't a convincing prospect to me. I have a Kindle Fire, and I am not looking to replace it with a Windows 8 tablet, and the convertible laptop I have won't run Windows 8 properly due to the integrated video.

I think "I (subjectively) don't like it" is a valid opinion, but I feel many of these posts come down to "but it's better" (objectively). This comes off as telling someone their opinions or tastes are objectively wrong. Either that you you say "you're too dumb to get it" or "you haven't used it."
 
ccman said:
My main issue with Windows 8 is I don't like the new Start Screen or Metro/Modern UI. In places and at times, I feel forced to interact with the Start Screen and Metro/Modern UI. When I am forced to use something I don't like, that adds to the dislike. The new parts of the interface and the new ways of doing things do not appeal to my tastes. I enjoy using Windows 7, so this comes across to me as Microsft negatively tampering with a product I like.

I think Microsoft must realize that not everyone would like it, so that raises questions in my mind of Microsoft's stewardship of the platform. I hold out hope for Windows 9 not for a way back but for the possibility that Microsoft can make it into something I might enjoy using. I was ambivalent about the ribbon in Office 2007, but I felt Microsoft improved ribbons as time progressed, in their use in Windows 7 and Office 2010.

I have Windows 8 RTM Enterprise Evaluation installed on the laptop I use most at home (as I had with Windows 8 DP, CP, and RP). I have little doubt I will need to become used to it. It doesn't feel like a terrible fit. I wonder if I would get it better if I had a tablet to run it on, but that isn't a convincing prospect to me. I have a Kindle Fire, and I am not looking to replace it with a Windows 8 tablet, and the convertible laptop I have won't run Windows 8 properly due to the integrated video.

I think "I (subjectively) don't like it" is a valid opinion, but I feel many of these posts come down to "but it's better" (objectively). This comes off as telling someone their opinions or tastes are objectively wrong. Either that you you say "you're too dumb to get it" or "you haven't used it."
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Well it's a message forum, you're free to dislike it and state so, I'm free to state I think you're opinion is not valid and state so. But what it comes down to, is that it's like talking about ford mustangs, and a new model comes out with the same gas mileage but more horse power, and people who otherwise like mustangs say "I don't like it". Ok, so what are we to do then, just allow them to act like something is wrong with it and say nothing about it? So we press them, and we get things like "I don't like it because it's green" which can easily be fixed by choosing a non-default color, or "I don't like it because it punches me in the face when I start it" which is clearly not an issue of the car and is probably the result of them punching themselves' in the face, etc. If you opened the mail app in Windows, and it literally punched you in the face, it would be absolutely no problem to state that each and every time you complain and whenever challenged.

Your post for example, lacks details which imo is usually because there are none or because they can not stand public scrutiny, "I don't like the new Start Screen or Metro/Modern UI. In places and at times, I feel forced to interact with the Start Screen and Metro/Modern UI. When I am forced to use something I don't like, that adds to the dislike." Are we to assume you got punched in the face by it and that's why you don't like it? Did it make you use the start screen at gun point? We have absolutely nothing to chew on here, so we are dismissive of your opinion, that's life.
 
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devil22 said:
Well it's a message forum, you're free to dislike it and state so, I'm free to state I think you're opinion is not valid and state so. But what it comes down to, is that it's like talking about ford mustangs, and a new model comes out with the same gas mileage but more horse power, and people who otherwise like mustangs say "I don't like it". Ok, so what are we to do then, just allow them to act like something is wrong with it and say nothing about it? So we press them, and we get things like "I don't like it because it's green" which can easily be fixed by choosing a non-default color, or "I don't like it because it punches me in the face when I start it" which is clearly not an issue of the car and is probably the result of them punching themselves' in the face, etc. If you opened the mail app in Windows, and it literally punched you in the face, it would be absolutely no problem to state that each and every time you complain and whenever challenged.

Your post for example, lacks details which imo is usually because they're are none or because they can not stand public scrutiny, "I don't like the new Start Screen or Metro/Modern UI. In places and at times, I feel forced to interact with the Start Screen and Metro/Modern UI. When I am forced to use something I don't like, that adds to the dislike." Are we to assume you got punched in the face by it and that's why you don't like it? Did it make you use the start screen at gun point? We have absolutely nothing to chew on here, so we are dismissive of your opinion, that's life.
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To use your example, I am saying I do not like the color green and your response as given above is "I think you're opinion is not valid". More apt to your example, it is as if they changed the body style, dash, pedals, and wheel of a Mustang but the engine and drive train is better. I'm saying I do not like the new body style, dash, pedals and wheels, and again, you say "I think you're opinion is not valid". I will admit they improved the kernel and subsystem, I just think the new aesthetics are ugly, but still you say "I think you're opinion is not valid".
 
ccman said:
To use your example, I am saying I do not like the color green and your response as given above is "I think you're opinion is not valid". More apt to your example, it is as if they changed the body style, dash, pedals, and wheel of a Mustang but the engine and drive train is better. I'm saying I do not like the new body style, dash, pedals and wheels, and again, you say "I think you're opinion is not valid". I will admit they improved the kernel and subsystem, I just think the new aesthetics are ugly, but still you say "I think you're opinion is not valid".
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It's a opinion, but I don't agree so naturally I say it's invalid. If you want something that can't be dismissed like that, you should say something that's objective. "The new mustang punches me in the face when I start it" is going to get you much better responses, assuming it does, than "I don't like it cause the lights are narrower."

wonderfield said:
Who is "we"? Are you speaking for everyone?
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"We" is anyone who he is complaining about dismissing his opinion, and not people that aren't.
 
Well, I didn't last a full 24 hours before I decided to go back to W7. The enterprise version I have doesn't have windows media center, and has no way to install it. Thats the dealbreaker.
 
lloose said:
Well, I didn't last a full 24 hours before I decided to go back to W7. The enterprise version I have doesn't have windows media center, and has no way to install it. Thats the dealbreaker.
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lol is this ironic, or is there another word for it? this has nothing to do with windows 8 because there is a windows 7 installer with no media player. you just installed the wrong thing.

not that it should matter because there are lots of media players out there, but. it is funny to see, after all the windows 8 hate, someone hates it because of none of those problems. he just hates it because he misses media player rofl
 
ccman said:
To use your example, I am saying I do not like the color green and your response as given above is "I think you're opinion is not valid". More apt to your example, it is as if they changed the body style, dash, pedals, and wheel of a Mustang but the engine and drive train is better. I'm saying I do not like the new body style, dash, pedals and wheels, and again, you say "I think you're opinion is not valid". I will admit they improved the kernel and subsystem, I just think the new aesthetics are ugly, but still you say "I think you're opinion is not valid".
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Well I think that you're opinion is valid. I understand that a plenty of people don't like a lot about the Metro look and feel and I've never really challenged people on that. One point though I have made about the Start Screen and it's blocks and color is that that as the Start Screen becomes populate with a lot of tiles and links it starts to make sense. It's very easy to navigate large lists with this design and the easy navigation of large lists with both tablets and desktops was a goal in the design of the Start Screen and my conclusion is that Microsoft achieved it goal here.

My points of contention with Windows 8 opponents isn't over their opinions, it tends to be over generalizations of functionality that they claim doesn't work. For instance, these threads are full of comments by Windows 8 opponents saying things "It's harder to multitask in Windows 8." I just don't know how I'm supposed to agree with this when I've been multitasking in Windows 8 for a year now, between desktop and Metro apps. It's different and simply because I do it with ease I think it works pretty well. But sure, there's issues with Metro apps only working on one screen that can be problematic with multi-monitor setups.
 
bAMtan2 said:
lol is this ironic, or is there another word for it? this has nothing to do with windows 8 because there is a windows 7 installer with no media player. you just installed the wrong thing.

not that it should matter because there are lots of media players out there, but. it is funny to see, after all the windows 8 hate, someone hates it because of none of those problems. he just hates it because he misses media player rofl
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I didn't hate it when I was using it, I actually liked it. I just use my desktop as a DVR so not having WMC in the enterprise edition was reason enough for me to reinstall 7. Its not that I didn't like 8, its just football season and I really like watching games on my 2nd monitor while I work. If I get access to a non-enterprise version of 8 later, I might reinstall it but im in no real hurry.
 
I just installed 8 over the weekend. In my mind, the Metro interface is just a flashier start menu. I still use the Windows key and start typing for the application I need.

I added the "Computer" and Control Panel tiles to the main screen just like on the W7 start menu. This is nearly the exact same way of entering Computer Manager and the Control Panel as in W7.

Over 99% of my time is spent at the desktop. The Metro UI not nearly as intrusive as people seem to report.

Additionally, the Metro UI came in great on my HTPC. Having the 10 foot interface is perfect for remote control.

Other bonuses are the improved Task Manager, file copy dialog. I had to do some searching in File Explorer to change how files are presented such as enabling file extensions. However, I quickly got used to the new ribbon interface.

Truthfully, I think Microsoft did a great job in designing a "start menu" UI for tablets/HTPC while maintaining the usability of a PC through the desktop.
 
I can live without the start menu. What I cannot live without is the ability to multitask. I tried windows 8 a month ago and as of then, you couldn't run a VM on one screen while web browsing, running vent, watching a movie, and playing a game across the other screens.
 
KarsusTG said:
I tried windows 8 a month ago and as of then, you couldn't run a VM on one screen while web browsing, running vent, watching a movie, and playing a game across the other screens.
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With desktop programs you can do these things. Metro apps do however only run on one screen at a time.
 
KarsusTG said:
I can live without the start menu. What I cannot live without is the ability to multitask. I tried windows 8 a month ago and as of then, you couldn't run a VM on one screen while web browsing, running vent, watching a movie, and playing a game across the other screens.
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...well, this is a bit odd... I'm actually doing exactly that (ok, Skype, not vent) on Windows 8 right now.

What prevented you from doing all of the above on your Windows 8 install? I had no problem launching all of those programs at once.
 
Full screen (almost) vomitous start menu :(

I'll keep metro thanks :D

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OK, so after a couple weeks of fiddling, I have Windows 8 to the point where I very rarely need to go to the Start Screen. The only things I have on there are the Desktop, Weather app and a group for utilities, nothing else. I think I've finally reached an acceptable compromise with it now. I've also done a similar setup on my wife's PC, and she's not complaining about Windows 8 nearly as much anymore.

So my opinions is, once you get all the Metro crap out of the way, Windows 8 is actually a pleasure to use. Just wish I didn't have to do all that work to get there!
 
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