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PlayStation 4 Rumored to Support 4K Resolutions
By Sean Patterson

http://www.webpronews.com/playstation-4-rumored-to-support-4k-resolutions-2012-08

Boy Genius Report (BGR) is reporting that Sony’s next video game console will come with support for 4K resolution. BGR cites an unnamed source as saying the as-yet unannounced PlayStation 4 console will be on the front line of hardware manufacturers pushing 4K technology.

4K resolution refers to a resolution standard that uses a horizontal resolution of 4,000 pixels.

BGR also reported earlier this week, citing unnamed sources “close to Sony’s manufacturing partners,” that Sony has plans to release an 80-inch LED 4K TV set. This monster TV could be released as soon as this holiday season, and the cost of such a device would be around $30,000.

The PlayStation 2′s support for DVD playback meant that console became the first DVD player that many gamers had. As a result, the PlayStation 2 helped push the DVD format to the forefront of video media. Similarly, the PlayStation 3′s Blu-Ray capabilities have propelled the Blu-Ray format, though not with as much success as the PlayStation 2 did for DVD’s. Placing their bets on a new format and supporting it with their new console seems to have become a pattern for Sony, and so rumors of 4K support in the PlayStation 4 make perfect sense.

Details on Sony’s next console, though, have been sparse. Rumors back in March declared the console’s codename to be “Orbis,” and that the system would use an AMD processor. This is in contrast to Microsoft’s new console, which has seen many leaks in the past few months, including news of an updated Kinect device.
 
I dunno, seems to me it'd have to pack some serious hardware to push out that many pixels in gameplay. Perhaps this mode would be more for video watching or UI. Or perhaps it's just balogna!
 
Many games aren't even rendered at 1080 If I remember correctly. Give enough power to render natively in 1080p at 60fps, then we can talk 4k.
 
This rumor makes sense, PS3 supports 1080p even though it's almost never used by games it works wonderfully for blu-ray.

Rendering at 4000 x 2250 32bits/pixel requires about 275 megabytes of RAM just to hold a frame of video data. Considering they tend to skimp on RAM in consoles I doubt this will be a useful resolution for anybody designing a game.
 
4k passthrough, sure. Many home theater receivers already can handle that. Rendering? Not a chance.
 
Unsure how they can manage this at all. Maybe 4000 pixels vertically, but no way can they achieve gameplay horizontally. I would be surprised if the new consoles could do 1080p at 60fps. But maybe they are giving it 4k support for streaming or a new media format that is unknown at this time. I was under the impression that full 4k resolution required a TB of space to render per 15-20 minutes...
 
i think newer bluray later on will have 4k res.

so the 4k is most likely for movies. i doubt people will start making games that will use 4k as its standard size because they tend to like to use the res part lower to be able to add more to the game and not get too slow.
 
I'm going to say yes for 4K Blu Ray's and no for 4k games. Sony is still banking on just running 1080p at solid frame rates considering the vast majority of their games run at 720p. For computers running multi-monitor setups 4k resolution is easily done but for console gaming ...no.

Its entirely possible but it would jack up the price of the system. You would have to be fucking retarded to release a console at a $599 price point like they did when they launched the PS3 , no one is going to pay $600 for a console .. Hell I can't imagine anyone even willing to dump $399 on a new console. It simply MUST be at the $299 or lower price point.
 
4k resolution for those micro games like on PSN maybe but nothing over 1080p for normal games.
 
So it will have 4k res and ship with composite cables right?

People will pay $599 for a console, just not many people.

I always wait till price drops and get the Slim version eg... PSTwo, PSP Slim, PS3 Slim.
 
TheBuzzer said:
i think newer bluray later on will have 4k res.

so the 4k is most likely for movies. i doubt people will start making games that will use 4k as its standard size because they tend to like to use the res part lower to be able to add more to the game and not get too slow.
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probably so. AMD 7xxx series supports 4k resolution but only at 24hz.
 
Marketing hypecopy. We're nowhere near a 4k functionally useful resolution for a console.
 
SeymourGore said:
I dunno, seems to me it'd have to pack some serious hardware to push out that many pixels in gameplay. Perhaps this mode would be more for video watching or UI. Or perhaps it's just balogna!
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No they can just support it then up scale everything like this generation.
 
I believe the overall purpose of this is that the system will be '4k' ready, meaning it can natively run at 4k resolutions for the system UI and BD's. If Sony states the system can run at 4k that is not implying that games will be 4k resolution.
 
bigdogchris said:
I believe the overall purpose of this is that the system will be '4k' ready, meaning it can natively run at 4k resolutions for the system UI and BD's. If Sony states the system can run at 4k that is not implying that games will be 4k resolution.
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I think that makes sense too. As long as this is just a checkbox feature, i.e. something that is very easy to support because the AMD GPU they are using supports it easily, then I say fine, add that checkbox to the specs sheet. If this is something that will add any real cost to the console, which it sounds like it wont, then I would say leave it out.

10 years from now, what kind of penetration will 4K displays have in the market? I'd say they would be lucky to be as far as 1080P was 5 years ago. This would not be a worthwhile feature for anything other than a way to try to sell more Sony 4k TVs.
 
Haste266 said:
probably so. AMD 7xxx series supports 4k resolution but only at 24hz.
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Huh? And where are you getting that? The maximum 4K refresh rate of a 1.4 HDMI connector? DisplayPort can do 4K resolution at 30bit color at 60Hz.
 
This 4K is probably for video content .. but I'm not interested in the slightest. This is just Sony being Sony, using one hardware to sell another. I'm just fine with my 1080p LED HDTV and have no plans on upgrading for like 10 years.

The enthusiast in me doesn't even care about 4K screens. Pass.
 
theNoid said:
This 4K is probably for video content .. but I'm not interested in the slightest. This is just Sony being Sony, using one hardware to sell another. I'm just fine with my 1080p LED HDTV and have no plans on upgrading for like 10 years.

The enthusiast in me doesn't even care about 4K screens. Pass.
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Ummm...why have games not gone much of anywhere in visual quality since Crysis #1? Because of consoles lagging behind in hardware and performance. Now a chance PC gamers to benefit comes from one of the major console makers due to them pushing out a new higher resolution...and you don't care?

I'd love to see 1600p or higher monitors be more common and certainly cheaper. And here it is.
 
Skripka said:
Ummm...why have games not gone much of anywhere in visual quality since Crysis #1? Because of consoles lagging behind in hardware and performance. Now a chance PC gamers to benefit comes from one of the major console makers due to them pushing out a new higher resolution...and you don't care?

I'd love to see 1600p or higher monitors be more common and certainly cheaper. And here it is.
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Well, it would be a stretch to see a PS4 run Crysis 1 at 4k with playable frames.
 
blinx said:
Well, it would be a stretch to see a PS4 run Crysis 1 at 4k with playable frames.
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It would be a stretch, but 4K resolution provides incentive to console makers to use better GPUs and publishers to work on better graphics and provide better textures. With 1080p panels we shouldn't still be seeing gnarly and ugly 512x512 or lower textures.
 
Skripka said:
Ummm...why have games not gone much of anywhere in visual quality since Crysis #1? Because of consoles lagging behind in hardware and performance. Now a chance PC gamers to benefit comes from one of the major console makers due to them pushing out a new higher resolution...and you don't care?

I'd love to see 1600p or higher monitors be more common and certainly cheaper. And here it is.
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If it was Microsoft, theNoid would have well and truly raged at us all for being so cynical and not embracing the future.
 
For video playback? I don't doubt it. I wouldn't be surprised if they also rolled out a new version of Blu-Ray (backwards compatible unless they're incredibly stupid) to support the larger files.
 
From what ive heard The Hobbit is shot in 4K!! And the quality is comparable to the jump from DVD to Blu-ray, it's to clear and smooth it's like 3d without the glasses.
 
Marcdaddy said:
From what ive heard The Hobbit is shot in 4K!! And the quality is comparable to the jump from DVD to Blu-ray, it's to clear and smooth it's like 3d without the glasses.
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I wonder how many theaters actually have a 4k projector. What I'm more interested to see is what shooting the film at 48 fps does. I've read an article from a journalist that had been invited to see sneak peek stuff from the film, and he was saying it was fairly jarring to watch (simply because it wasn't what you go in expecting after watching 1000's of movies at 24 fps).


Anyway, it wouldn't shock me at all if the PS4 tried to push 4k stuff. Afterall, Sony consoles have historically always tried to push some new format. If they do go that route though, the price of the console is likely to be sky high again. The hardware required to run 4k smoothly is well beyond what most people are expecting to find under the hood of the next consoles.
 
Skripka said:
It would be a stretch, but 4K resolution provides incentive to console makers to use better GPUs and publishers to work on better graphics and provide better textures. With 1080p panels we shouldn't still be seeing gnarly and ugly 512x512 or lower textures.
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Better GPUs/hardware = more expensive consoles. The PS3 was already like $600 at launch and hardly anyone bought it. Consoles are popular because they're reasonably cheap.
 
They are specifically talking about video delivery. We might see 4k games from the PSN store or something but nothing serious.

Though I would love to see a console with a 3470T and GTX 670 I doubt it's going to happen.
 
sony also said the ps3 would run 1080p native and be able to do it on 2 screens at once
 
rcf1987 said:
sony also said the ps3 would run 1080p native and be able to do it on 2 screens at once
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The PS3 does run at 1080p. It just doesn't play all games at 1080p, which is what you are trying to insinuate.

Some people have serious attention deficit issues. Sony nor these rumors are claiming that the PS4 will play games at 4k, it's just saying that the system can be set to output/support 4k for the UI and/or minor (psn type) games. Please pay attention so you don't make yourself look like a dolt.
 
it's pretty obvious that price tag of this thing will be too high :(
but i think i will buy it if i will be able to play pirated games downloaded from internet.
coz that will be the only way for me to recover my money :|
 
next-Jin said:
They are specifically talking about video delivery. We might see 4k games from the PSN store or something but nothing serious.

Though I would love to see a console with a 3470T and GTX 670 I doubt it's going to happen.
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probably about right though more then likely it'll just be 1080p upconverted to 4k. a lot of the 4k res tv's can already do this on their own if needed.
 
Pffffhahahaha, yeah right...

The PS3 can't handle even 720p for "modern" games like GTA, it has to skimp to 640p quite often.

640p (1138x640) is 728,320 pixels
4k (3840x2160) is 8,294,400 pixels

That's 11.4x more pixels approximately, requiring at least that much more GPU power, with a rumoured 6x increase in power for the new consoles that puts 4k gaming way out of reach even if all you play is PS3 games, PS4 titles will be lucky to run at native 1080p.
 
PrincessFrosty said:
Pffffhahahaha, yeah right...

The PS3 can't handle even 720p for "modern" games like GTA, it has to skimp to 640p quite often.

640p (1138x640) is 728,320 pixels
4k (3840x2160) is 8,294,400 pixels

That's 11.4x more pixels approximately, requiring at least that much more GPU power, with a rumoured 6x increase in power for the new consoles that puts 4k gaming way out of reach even if all you play is PS3 games, PS4 titles will be lucky to run at native 1080p.
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Look at the age of the PS3. At the time, the PS3's video card was the latest available. Seriously, the RSX graphics chip (very similar to a Geforce 7800GTX) was ratified into the system spec when the 7 series was still top of the line. The 8 series came out right about the time the PS3 was released, but that's how it goes. It takes time to finalize a spec, get dev kits out, manufacture, then ship the thing. The 360's graphics chip was the first to market with a Unified shader architecture, beating even the PC market by a year, in that respect. But even then on PC, we weren't running games with near the graphical presentation. The 7 series just wasn't meant for the kind of shader power we demanded two years later.

but these things are 6 years old, now. The reason a PS3 can't run your new game at current resolutions, is because we are expecting 7 year old (from the time it was ratified into standard spec) hardware to run games that look as good as anything made RIGHT NOW. because of this, lots of great rendering methods have been pioneered on consoles, to help lighten the load and keep games looking better than they have any right to. Things such as Morphological Antialiasing, which I believe was first put to practical use in God of War III, and exceeds the quality of MSAA 4X. Made possible by the fact that they Cell chip is a hybrid CPU/GPU and can do many things faster than RSX and then share it for the final image seen by the player.

I doubt PC gaming will be into 4K on a single graphics card by the time a PS4 comes out. I don't expect PS4 to output all games in native 4K. I do expect though, that we will have native 1080p, since that's been possible on PC for a couple of card generations, now. Something like a Geforce 560 does the job for that. Whatever goes into a console will surely be at least that capable, not to mention in a standard spec, which nets more performance.

4K output will mostly be for upscaling and video applications. 4K movies, stuff like that. Sony already has a Blu-ray player with a 4K upscaler chip in it. The PS3 for awhile was one of the best bang for the buck DVD upscalers. I've no doubt PS4 will exhibit similar quality with 4K upscaling.
 
Supporting 4k res is the only way i'd buy this. Otherwise im dropping out of the console wars.
 
bigdogchris said:
Sony nor these rumors are claiming that the PS4 will play games at 4k, it's just saying that the system can be set to output/support 4k for the UI and/or minor (psn type) games.
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chameleoneel said:
4K output will mostly be for upscaling and video applications. 4K movies, stuff like that.
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Is this really what this thread is about? This thread should have died long ago.
 
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