Intel Haswell?

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Just wondering when Haswell was going to come out. From Google searches, most sites say between March and June of 2013. Currently on a 1366 i7 980x and the new Ivy Bridge processors aren't much of an upgrade at all and the Sandy Bridge processors like the 2600k really only overclock slightly higher. I don't mind dropping $800 on a new top end mobo and processor but I want something that will give me a nice boost, not a 3-7 percent increase clock for clock. What would you guys do?
 
Supposedly following the same release schedule as Ivy Bridge, with the i7 mobile chips first followed by desktop quads and mobile i5's and i3's, then ULVs/LVs and finally the i3 desktop chips.

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Sandy Bridge-E is a pretty good upgrade. I have a gulftown i7 980, and a SB-E, and the SB-E is a lot faster (mostly due to the fact that it can overclock quite a bit higher). The platform would also allow you to move to Ivy-E, and gets you other nice-to-have things like PCI-E 3.0, USB 3.0, sata 3, etc.
 
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I heard the 3960x isn't a big leap for gaming, though the x79 motherboard require for these could yeild some benefit like quad channel memory and up to 64 gb worth of ram along the 8 dimm slots, pci-e.3.0....etc
 
Just wondering when Haswell was going to come out. From Google searches, most sites say between March and June of 2013. Currently on a 1366 i7 980x and the new Ivy Bridge processors aren't much of an upgrade at all and the Sandy Bridge processors like the 2600k really only overclock slightly higher. I don't mind dropping $800 on a new top end mobo and processor but I want something that will give me a nice boost, not a 3-7 percent increase clock for clock. What would you guys do?

What do you use the computer for? Just curious where you need the performance, or if you are considering things like lower power usage/heat as important.
 
I heard the 3960x isn't a big leap for gaming, though the x79 motherboard require for these could yeild some benefit like quad channel memory and up to 64 gb worth of ram along the 8 dimm slots, pci-e.3.0....etc

The 3960x is not the CPU to look at, the 3930k is. If you need raw number crunching power, it's the way to go right now... but as mentioned, do you NEED raw crunching power?
 
X79 is definately awesome! You won't regret it for sure. I came from a Q9550..
 
What do you use the computer for? Just curious where you need the performance, or if you are considering things like lower power usage/heat as important.
Pretty much just gaming and work/school.
 
Pretty much just gaming and work/school.

I would wait for Haswell then personally. 3930K/3770K is not going to improve your gaming experience over a 4.2GHz 980. If you need to spend some money, try NV Surround or 3D? Mechnical keyboard, better chair etc.
 
Just wondering when Haswell was going to come out. From Google searches, most sites say between March and June of 2013.


You have a six core cpu right now. Do you want the Haswell consumer version which will go up to four cores or do you want a version with more cores? If you want more cores you will have to wait longer than June of '13.

From what you have posted I suggest you wait till the consumer version of Haswell comes out and get the four core version.
 
Decided to get a 3930k. Will jump ship to Haswell's high performance processors next year.
 
unless haswell offers a 25%+ performance upgrade over my 3930k.. i think ill stay on SB-E
 
Have you guys hard anything about Haswell's overall performance, such as IPC, clock speeds, anything?
 
Will Socket 2011 take these new upcoming CPU's?

Or are we looking at a new socket, again?
 
Will Socket 2011 take these new upcoming CPU's?
No. These will be on a new socket. lga1150

Or are we looking at a new socket, again?

I would expect a lot of new sockets in the coming years from AMD and Intel. One reason is DDR4 will require a new socket but haswell lga1150 is DDR3.
 
The high end may be on 2011 though. I doubt it happens but I think it may be possible.
 
the only reason i really despise intel... every minor processor release requires you to upgrade everything else
 
the only reason i really despise intel... every minor processor release requires you to upgrade everything else

Haswell is a major processor release, hence the requirement to change everything. IB was a minor processor release, which is why is works in just about every MoBo that was released when SB appeared.
 
the only reason i really despise intel... every minor processor release requires you to upgrade everything else

At least Intel isnt stuck on an ancient platform with pcie still on the chipset/etc. There are always plusses and minuses to going to a new socket/platform with a new cpu.
 
Guys I've been hearing in the predictions that Haswell is going to integrate the voltage regulator into the processor.

So does this mean that the chokes, capacitors, MOSFETs, and the PWM controller will all disappear from the motherboard? It's going to be a big change if that happens. No more Digi+ VRM, no more DrMOS, no more ferrite chokes, no more product differentiation on the basis of power circuitry, etc.

If you don't know what I'm talking about here's a great article from HardwareSecrets that explains the different parts of a motherboard's voltage regulation circuitry. http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/arti...e-Motherboard-Voltage-Regulator-Circuit/616/1
 
No, just the part that controls all those parts. But yeah essentially the digi part of digi-vrm.
 
Guys I've been hearing in the predictions that Haswell is going to integrate the voltage regulator into the processor.

So does this mean that the chokes, capacitors, MOSFETs, and the PWM controller will all disappear from the motherboard? It's going to be a big change if that happens. No more Digi+ VRM, no more DrMOS, no more ferrite chokes, no more product differentiation on the basis of power circuitry, etc.

If you don't know what I'm talking about here's a great article from HardwareSecrets that explains the different parts of a motherboard's voltage regulation circuitry. http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/arti...e-Motherboard-Voltage-Regulator-Circuit/616/1

They're integrating the VRM controller only. Given how gigantic power MOSFET dies are, I highly doubt they'll be in the processor package, let a lone on-die.
This doesn't bode well for overclockers...we won't even be able to undervolt without Intel's permission now :(
 
I only upgrade on the "tock's", so yea, definetely running with Sandy bridge 2500k at 4.5 gHz until Haswell launches.
 
I have started to add a few bucks a week into a "cookie jar" for my intended upgrade to Haswell or perhaps Broadwell. Once I'm ready to buy it will be emptied.
 
Just wondering when Haswell was going to come out. From Google searches, most sites say between March and June of 2013. Currently on a 1366 i7 980x and the new Ivy Bridge processors aren't much of an upgrade at all and the Sandy Bridge processors like the 2600k really only overclock slightly higher. I don't mind dropping $800 on a new top end mobo and processor but I want something that will give me a nice boost, not a 3-7 percent increase clock for clock. What would you guys do?

Don't worry about it! You got a good system. I am still on my 980x myself. Got six cores with hyperthreading and unlock multipliers. I am looking for a haswell upgrade myself, around the time battlefield 4 is coming out. But I am sure I'll probably upgrade the videocards first before the CPU because I am still GPU limited at 2560x1600 :( Most of the games I get still require a Core2Quad for "recommended".
 
Suposing you did not have a desktop PC and was saving money for a new build, would it be worth waiting for Haswell? Also suppose you have a 2008 mid range laptop, heh.

Edit: Considering gaming purposes.
 
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Suposing you did not have a desktop PC and was saving money for a new build, would it be worth waiting for Haswell? Also suppose you have a 2008 mid range laptop, heh.

Edit: Considering gaming purposes.

Depends if you want to game right now or you can wait. SB, IB, and HWL are/will be great choices either now or in the future. I don't see my IB or SB systems all of a sudden becoming unusable with games and programs when HWL is released.
 
Depends if you want to game right now or you can wait. SB, IB, and HWL are/will be great choices either now or in the future. I don't see my IB or SB systems all of a sudden becoming unusable with games and programs when HWL is released.

Thanks for the answer. I thought maybe it would be better because with Haswell the hardware would probably take longer than IB/SB to become obsolete, but this "longer" would probably not overweight the time I'm waiting not having a decent gaming PC.
 
Thanks for the answer. I thought maybe it would be better because with Haswell the hardware would probably take longer than IB/SB to become obsolete, but this "longer" would probably not overweight the time I'm waiting not having a decent gaming PC.

You also have to understand intel is king right now. AMD is taking a nap and isn't even remotely a competitor to intel in the upper high end CPU department. They do make great mid range CPUs though. I really thought at 2012 I would see high IPCs and speed around 4GHz by now. But there really is no reason for intel to compete against itself when they can charge whatever they want for whatever "minor" speed increase they give us. I am interested to see a very detailed article on tri-gate with the haswell CPU to be honest :)
 
You also have to understand intel is king right now. AMD is taking a nap and isn't even remotely a competitor to intel in the upper high end CPU department. They do make great mid range CPUs though. I really thought at 2012 I would see high IPCs and speed around 4GHz by now. But there really is no reason for intel to compete against itself when they can charge whatever they want for whatever "minor" speed increase they give us. I am interested to see a very detailed article on tri-gate with the haswell CPU to be honest :)

Yeah, I've heard that. Living in a country where recently released hardware is sometimes double the US/EU prices, doing a lot of research and still paying more for what you get is very common. I guess I'd best stick with an IB build for now and hope I'm doing the right decision.
 
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