PS4 Backwards complatiable with a twist?

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Seems like sony is going into cloud gaming, so ps4 will play older generation games by using the cloud.

which means you need to rebuy all your games for this service.
 
Thats BS! I think if you could register it, then you shouldn't need to re-buy it!
 
it's a a bit early to declare much of anything.
streaming gaming has not proven to be lucrative yet.
 
michealo said:
it's a a bit early to declare much of anything.
streaming gaming has not proven to be lucrative yet.
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What do you mean by streaming gaming?

I would expect the service to host the files in the cloud and bring them down to your machine to play them.

This is a very effective deployment method: xbox live, playstation market, steam, origin, etc.
 
Demon10000 said:
What do you mean by streaming gaming?

I would expect the service to host the files in the cloud and bring them down to your machine to play them.

This is a very effective deployment method: xbox live, playstation market, steam, origin, etc.
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the impression that the pre-E3 rumors is that Sony is looking to partner with Onlive or Gaikai to provide some kind of streaming service
http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/05/25/is-sony-partnering-with-onlive
unless this is not what TheBuzzer was referencing, it was rather vague.
 
Is it really any different than what is currently on the PS3? If you buy a new PS3 it will not play PS1 or PS2 games. You can purchase many of those games on the PSN Store which you download to your PS3.

I honestly cannot see cloud gaming being feasible within a 2 year time frame, considering that the developer kits will probably go out this year or next year (if not already). I can see some sort of cloud system with maybe the saves being stored on your accounts cloud, but not entire games. And IMO I would bet this would require some sort of service such as PSN which will probably be required for online play on the PS4.
 
All PS3s can play PS1 games.

Streaming games means they do not have to build the compatibility into all the new hardware and companies do not need to reprogram or build/tweak an emulator. This also mean a larger selection of older gen games.

Personally, I'm over the novelty of backwards compatibility. I just want my new machine to play my new games.
 
All I ask is that is if the ps4 is backwards compatible that they don't remove that feature half way through its life cycle.
 
this has been mentioned as a possible service for the PS3 nobody said anything about the PS4 YET.. perfect for them they dont have to emulate on the PS3 then since that is how its done now for the limited selection they have now.
 
People are shocked? This is nothing new. When they took PS2 backwards compatibility out of PS3s early on, they replaced it with PS2 classics from the PSN store that you could rebuy to enjoy.
 
^ I guess that's why I still have my PS2......so I can actually play my games without having to rebuy them.
 
If they go to cloud based service for the older games, then I think you should be able to play them for free in the cloud as long as you have an original PSx game disc in the drive.
 
Reasons why this is probably a load of crap:

Why would they bother streaming games when the base unit would be more than capable of playing them? Streaming mainly seems to be people playing on older/weaker hardware where the unit can't run games.

The only possible benefit to a big company would perhaps be a total reduction in piracy, but would be nowhere near the costs of masses and masses of infastructure.

Monthly fees is one of the reasons xbox live sucks. This would need signficant monthly fees, ir be totally unsustainable.

If a big corporation were doing this, at this scale, they'd just do it themselves. Not hire some other company for extra overhead who has no clue how their units and games work, and Onlive hasn't proved themselves at anything and might be out of buisness in the next few years.

Pretty soon we're looking at UHD screens (as soon as 2013/14 in Japan/China). Within the next generation of consoles lifetime UHD screens will be prevalent, like HD screens are now. Streaming, due to the crappy infastructure is struggling to do 1080p. Anyone trying to stream 4k off youtube knows that's not exactly smooth going. 4320p (4 times 4k at 2160p which is 4 times 1080p) consoles games would look like total ass if pushed at 1/8th of the resolution. Meaning this kind of service would seem very dated very fast.

It seems that if it is used, it would be for game demos or something. A full service based on this isn't feasible. Though even demos seems pointless. Remember sony is a big company with lot's of departments. It could be the film or mobile sections, or even some experia play style tablet.
 
If Sony is looking to do backwards compat through streaming a la Onlive, then there is really no reason for them to release a PS4; the PS3 has the functionality to do that kind of streaming with a software update.
 
DeathPrincess said:
Reasons why this is probably a load of crap:

Why would they bother streaming games when the base unit would be more than capable of playing them? Streaming mainly seems to be people playing on older/weaker hardware where the unit can't run games.
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This makes little sense. How can you just assume this? The PS3 already struggled throughout its years trying to emulate PS2 correctly after they removed the EE chips. The PS4 is probably going to go for a more traditional architecture because they got bit by developer support by having such an unorthodox architecture. Emulating Cell is going to be hell for Sony. In fact, I think it will be pretty much impossible without the developers of popular titles rewriting and porting their games over as was done for PS2 games on PSN. My PS3 still can't handle several PSX games properly that I put into it despite the PS3 being a million times more powerful. My launch PS3 can play PS2 games perfectly because there is an actual PS2 inside of it! The new slim PS3s can't even play PS2 games at all despite how much more powerful it is.

What you are saying in true for streaming for PC games but traditionally, every console that was backwards compatible with a previous generation didn't even bother with emulation because it was too difficult and inconsistent, merely they actually put all the hardware from the previous console into the new one (Emotion Engine, Sharp LR35902, etc.) which console makers are more and more loathe to do because of the extra cost for producing old technology on old processes for a feature that is rarely used.

Streaming/cloud for those that want it is cheaper than including previous generation console technology inside new consoles for everyone who might never use it. It's also cheaper than paying developers to re-write their games. It's also the only way to provide consistent playability and to ensure that all games work, not only the ones they got the developers to port.
 
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Kinsaras said:
Sony has been pretty clear there will be discs for the PS4.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...ly-ps4-because-of-slow-internet-speeds-report

FYI...even Nintendo removed backwards compatibility eventually (yes newer Wiis can't play Gamecube games)
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I can't even imagine them going "disc less" with the billions they've spent on pushing Blu Ray as a standard. It would make zero business sense.

Plus one thing will keep physical media in the game will be data caps. I can't imagine gamers would be happy having to download 25-50GB games through there 10Mbps connections each month. That would sap there caps pretty quickly if they had a hard drive crash and had to redownload there catalog.
 
daemonmf said:
All PS3s can play PS1 games.

Streaming games means they do not have to build the compatibility into all the new hardware and companies do not need to reprogram or build/tweak an emulator. This also mean a larger selection of older gen games.

Personally, I'm over the novelty of backwards compatibility. I just want my new machine to play my new games.
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They can try, i have tons of games that don't work.


Got a ps2 slim for 20 bucks at a pawn shop though, it works great for ps2 and ps1 lol!
 
Go disc less already shit. Blu ray drives are a dime a dozen now, keep the blu ray drive for movies not games. The whole data cap from the isp argument is stupid. I've got 150gb a month thru u verse, they can compress the games some to save on the download amount and you'll just have a longer install time due to unzipping the download then installing.

There is ways around this shit, aren't these people smart? Steam like service on consoles is the way to go and psn plus is kicking ass with discounts and free games.
 
Bman123 said:
Go disc less already shit. Blu ray drives are a dime a dozen now, keep the blu ray drive for movies not games. The whole data cap from the isp argument is stupid. I've got 150gb a month thru u verse, they can compress the games some to save on the download amount and you'll just have a longer install time due to unzipping the download then installing.

There is ways around this shit, aren't these people smart? Steam like service on consoles is the way to go and psn plus is kicking ass with discounts and free games.
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You're not the brightest bulb in the box, are you?
 
Bman123 said:
There is ways around this shit, aren't these people smart? Steam like service on consoles is the way to go and psn plus is kicking ass with discounts and free games.
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Ask Infinium Labs how well a diskless console works...

There will always be people who want or need media. I know I'd rather run up to Target and grab a game that I want, than wait a couple hours to download and "install" it.

In regards to cost: I don't see costs changing. Games that are released today as streaming games have been the same price or higher than the physical copies.
 
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