Best Diablo thread, had to repost on [H]

Intel_Hydralisk said:
I've addressed this. D3 Hell is easily soloable without trading for gear. This is where D3 takes it a step further and adds Inferno. Blizzard did not force you to go through Inferno. No one is forcing you to do this. They are also retuning Inferno and everything I've previously said about clearing Inferno applies here. No RMAH needed, no endless farming needed.
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I guess it's RNG, but in the 45 hours or so I've played, almost all on one toon (57 wiz, ~15 monk), there is no way I'd be able to do anything solo in hell without having picked up weapons on the AH. Now that I'm in early Act 2 Hell I've actually gotten some decent DPS weapons to drop, but even those were incredibly mediocre and still about 15%-25% lower DPS than the staff I got off the AH (409 DPS), with stats not directly relatable to me.

I've gotten perhaps 2 blues in the last few days of playing that were moderate upgrades; other than that I've gotten nothing in hell usable for myself, and very little through NM either. That's including crafting dozens of items in an attempt to upgrade.

I'm a huge supporter of a world economy, and realize how much trading was involved in D2. But I never felt that trading in D2 was required to not feel like you're throwing spitballs on blues/champions. It was more to make yourself uber with a runeword, etc. D3 I've run around undergeared and overleveled in Act3/4 NM and Act1 Hell to try and get gear, but it hasn't worked for me unfortunately. And that is my biggest frustration.
 
TwistedAegis said:
I guess it's RNG, but in the 45 hours or so I've played, almost all on one toon (57 wiz, ~15 monk), there is no way I'd be able to do anything solo in hell without having picked up weapons on the AH. Now that I'm in early Act 2 Hell I've actually gotten some decent DPS weapons to drop, but even those were incredibly mediocre and still about 15%-25% lower DPS than the staff I got off the AH (409 DPS), with stats not directly relatable to me.
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I suspect it's because you're actually over leveled for Act 2 considering you start Act 1 at level 50. I typically finish Hell at 58-59 (on the 3 chars I've gotten through Hell). So if you were to buy an AH staff for your level at 57, then of course it will be better than the ones you find in Act 1 / 2. Also, 15-25% less dps will not make or break you.
 
Intel_Hydralisk said:
I suspect it's because you're actually over leveled for Act 2 considering you start Act 1 at level 50. I typically finish Hell at 58-59 (on the 3 chars I've gotten through Hell). So if you were to buy an AH staff for your level at 57, then of course it will be better than the ones you find in Act 1 / 2.
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I guess I should clarify, I've had that staff for several levels. Haven't found anything in quite awhile. I'm having a really tough time in Act 2, perhaps it is my build which was suggested in another thread, which I will try to change to their recommended one.

I just don't "get" this game at this point, which is frustrating. I'm no newb, played countless hours of the first Diablos, main tanked for a WOW guild, etc, so I get mechanics and all that. Something just doesn't feel intuitive to me yet and I feel as though I'm fighting uphill to get anything done.
 
for a game with that has sold so well, it has a ton of hate, all i know is that i am having fun playing it, is it a perfect game? no way, not many are but i have all ready put near 60 hours into it, and will put alot more into it. its just fun to play with old pals from wow lol.

one guy i know has not bought the game, and will not buy it but he rags on it as if it was some kind of poison, and i am sure that some of the hate for diablo 3 is from folks who have yet to even play it. anyway i am having fun i find it worth my money and at the end of the day thats good enough i guess. does kinda suck that i have to be online to play single player though, had to do the same for starcraft 2, guess its the new norm
 
TwistedAegis said:
I guess I should clarify, I've had that staff for several levels. Haven't found anything in quite awhile. I'm having a really tough time in Act 2, perhaps it is my build which was suggested in another thread, which I will try to change to their recommended one.

I just don't "get" this game at this point, which is frustrating. I'm no newb, played countless hours of the first Diablos, main tanked for a WOW guild, etc, so I get mechanics and all that. Something just doesn't feel intuitive to me yet and I feel as though I'm fighting uphill to get anything done.
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I think the loot drops are just horrible. Just as an example I finished normal with my wizard last night, level 34, I did not farm and in act four didn't even clear every level. I kill the last boss and got 4 yellows... the level of the items ranged from 20-26. Completely worthless for my character. I don't always expect to get usable loot but I should get stuff within the range of my character based on level and difficulty.

My DH is about 2/3rds of the way thru nightmare right now and has had similar results.
If this continues at the higher difficulty levels I doubt this game will last anywhere near as long as D2 did for me. I like the game but it just doesn't do as good a job as its predecessors.

Also I miss those special act rewards. Small thing but I looked forward to getting the different rewards, add socket, named item etc.
 
Meh, I paid my 60 played normal and beat it. I thought it was a decent story and great cinematics. That's it, back to BF3.
 
LeninGHOLA said:
They've been working on it since 2004 or before. So 8 years +.
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not with Jay wilson they have not.

This game was started and then scrapped entirely. Jay wilsons Diablo 3 has only been in the making since 2006. less then 6 years.
 
dremic said:
not with Jay wilson they have not.

This game was started and then scrapped entirely. Jay wilsons Diablo 3 has only been in the making since 2006. less then 6 years.
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That's still a very long development time, and with the amount of content and balance issues right now...a bit disappointing. As others have said, it feels very strongly like it's an x-pac or DLC away from being "complete."
 
Why do people have a problem buying items off the AH? It's the same thing as trading.

I also think many people really were expecting this game to be something it's not. People want to apply MMO mechanics to this thing. You see it everywhere with people talking about "leveling to fast" or "there isn't anything to do at 60" or "world drops are too rare." It's all MMO language.

No one gave a **** if you leveled 1-99 in a day in Diablo 2. It was all about collecting and trading gear. D3 facilitates the whole process with the auction house. It makes it so much simpler.

This a pure hack slash loot collection game. That's all and that's it. It does that wonderfully in my opinion.

I was in your camp too... before I played it.
 
big_aug said:
Why do people have a problem buying items off the AH? It's the same thing as trading.

I also think many people really were expecting this game to be something it's not. People want to apply MMO mechanics to this thing. You see it everywhere with people talking about "leveling to fast" or "there isn't anything to do at 60" or "world drops are too rare." It's all MMO language.

No one gave a **** if you leveled 1-99 in a day in Diablo 2. It was all about collecting and trading gear. D3 facilitates the whole process with the auction house. It makes it so much simpler.

This a pure hack slash loot collection game. That's all and that's it. It does that wonderfully in my opinion.

I was in your camp too... before I played it.
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Your point is kind of kaput when gear drop is directly based around the auction house...

At that point you're just farming for gold to get gear from the AH... OH, and look at that, a MMO mechanic. Something you seem to be criticizing everyone for suggesting.
 
If I wanted to farm for a rmah like D3 makes you I would stick to Bitcoins....they are a lot fucking easier.
 
big_aug said:
Why do people have a problem buying items off the AH? It's the same thing as trading.

I also think many people really were expecting this game to be something it's not. People want to apply MMO mechanics to this thing. You see it everywhere with people talking about "leveling to fast" or "there isn't anything to do at 60" or "world drops are too rare." It's all MMO language.

No one gave a **** if you leveled 1-99 in a day in Diablo 2. It was all about collecting and trading gear. D3 facilitates the whole process with the auction house. It makes it so much simpler.

This a pure hack slash loot collection game. That's all and that's it. It does that wonderfully in my opinion.

I was in your camp too... before I played it.
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The problem is that people were expecting this game to be like the first two, and its not.

I also find it hilarious you say people want to apply MMO mechanics when Blizzard did just that with shoving the AH down peoples throats.
 
One of the most missed things about D1 & D2 is finding uniques. When you found a unique you could usually equip it right away and have a badass character...at least for the rest of that act. Sometimes you'd find something that you didn't meet the requirements for (either stats or level). It was so fun waiting to equip that gear to finally become the badass. D3 doesn't give me those feelings. I've found 1 unique and it is trash; I've seen blues with lower level requirements and better stats. I find the game still enjoyable, but not to the extent that it's predecessors were.
 
@Intel_Hydralisk

All I have seen in Hell mode are level 41 blues and rares. I have come to the conclusion that the game does a check to see what class you are and makes gear for another class drop so you are forced to buy stuff from the AH. This is to feed Blizzard's DLC model as the RMAH transactions will provide a cut of real money for each transaction when it is released.

So I have completely changed tactics in relation to "playing" the farming game as Blizzard intended it. I am just farming everything in Act I over and over until my eyes bleed everyday. I am using the Ferret so I get 10% extra gold. After I kill Skeleton King I logout and go back to the beginning killing the same mobs over and over. After I get enough gold I blow it all on the AH. I don't even bother to list items much as I could care less about trading anyone anything; I just want my gear upgrades. I have no desire to assist others with their gear upgrades. I play solo.

There isn't a point in running higher Acts as all I seek is gold to buy items from people on the AH. If I cared enough for the game I suppose I would have had to consider using the RMAH to outfit my guys in a jiffy. Pay2Win in all it's glory. I don't really like the game truthfully; I just want to get my $60 worth of entertainment out of it. Not like beating it on Inferno is going to unlock more story lines or something.

So that's my strategy for Diablo III as absolutely 0 upgrades have occurred since I was level eight. I realize that for you the Blizzard gods shone down upon you and gear was provided for you like mana from heaven. For me all I get is shit 10 levels below me. Absolutely worthless garbage.

I'm actually finding that the very best gear is stuff that has tons of vitality and a little of your primary stat. Resists, attack speed, etc are all overrated. When mobs want to one shot you they will. There isn't an ounce of "skill" involved in a one shot. Nor any amount of gear that will protect you from it. My bars consist of Tumble, Caltrops, Vanish, an aoe pushback, fear, and Bola shot that explodes and stuns. DPS is irrelevant at this point as trying to actually kill something will get you killed. Better to just run, trap, disappear, pushback, fear, and place an explosive to do damage + stun while you concentrate on running more.

Just my opinion; not forcing it upon anyone else. But this is Diablo III as I see it.
 
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darkstarcow said:
The problem is that people were expecting this game to be like the first two, and its not.
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Why the heck is Dark Souls thrown around then? I wasn't aware D1/D2 were the predecessors to Dark Souls. What the heck??

The game has a lot of flaws that Blizzard is trying to address (Inferno and Uniques were specifically pointed out in their big long post... so can people stop mentioning how bad that 1 unique they found was?). The fact that there is an AH is certainly NOT one of the issues. There are MUCH bigger issues with the game than the fact that I can hop on the AH and buy/sell stuff. So. Much. Whining. I do NOT miss spamming the trade chat. If that's what you guys miss about D2, then *facepalm*
 
I bet with some small modifications to the loot drops, 80% of the "haters" are gone. I definitely agree with 00PS, D2 gear had more importance when you got it. Maybe they need the AH to not be global, in order for the % on drops to increase.
 
cageymaru said:
@Intel_Hydralisk

All I have seen in Hell mode are level 41 blues and rares. I have come to the conclusion that the game does a check to see what class you are and makes gear for another class drop so you are forced to buy stuff from the AH. This is to feed Blizzard's DLC model as the RMAH transactions will provide a cut of real money for each transaction when it is released.

So I have completely changed tactics in relation to "playing" the farming game as Blizzard intended it. I am just farming everything in Act I over and over until my eyes bleed everyday. I am using the Ferret so I get 10% extra gold. After I kill Skeleton King I logout and go back to the beginning killing the same mobs over and over. After I get enough gold I blow it all on the AH. I don't even bother to list items much as I could care less about trading anyone anything; I just want my gear upgrades. I have no desire to assist others with their gear upgrades. I play solo.

There isn't a point in running higher Acts as all I seek is gold to buy items from people on the AH. If I cared enough for the game I suppose I would have had to consider using the RMAH to outfit my guys in a jiffy. Pay2Win in all it's glory. I don't really like the game truthfully; I just want to get my $60 worth of entertainment out of it. Not like beating it on Inferno is going to unlock more story lines or something.

So that's my strategy for Diablo III as absolutely 0 upgrades have occurred since I was level eight. I realize that for you the Blizzard gods shone down upon you and gear was provided for you like mana from heaven. For me all I get is shit 10 levels below me. Absolutely worthless garbage.

I'm actually finding that the very best gear is stuff that has tons of vitality and a little of your primary stat. Resists, attack speed, etc are all overrated. When mobs want to one shot you they will. There isn't an ounce of "skill" involved in a one shot. Nor any amount of gear that will protect you from it. My bars consist of Tumble, Caltrops, Vanish, and an aoe pushback, fear and Bola shot that explodes. DPS is irrelevant at this point as trying to actually kill something will get you killed. Better to just run, trap, disappear, pushback, fear, and place an explosive to do damage while you concentrate on running more.

Just my opinion; not forcing it upon anyone else. But this is Diablo III as I see it.
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And you are entitled to your opinion, but I find it strange that we are literally playing completely different games the way you describe your experience. Vitality is the overrated stat. If you want survivability, resists and armor is better. If you're a DH then Vitality holds near 0 value in Inferno. Also, bola shot sucks btw.

I'm sorry but statements like "literally 0 upgrades since level 10" are just incredibly hard to believe. It not only makes no logical sense (clearly if everything that drops for everyone is 10 levels lower than them, level 60 items wouldn't exist), but is such an anecdotal over the top claim that it's hard to take seriously in any sort of reasonable conversation.
 
cageymaru said:
@Intel_Hydralisk

All I have seen in Hell mode are level 41 blues and rares. I have come to the conclusion that the game does a check to see what class you are and makes gear for another class drop so you are forced to buy stuff from the AH. This is to feed Blizzard's DLC model as the RMAH transactions will provide a cut of real money for each transaction when it is released.

So I have completely changed tactics in relation to "playing" the farming game as Blizzard intended it. I am just farming everything in Act I over and over until my eyes bleed everyday. I am using the Ferret so I get 10% extra gold. After I kill Skeleton King I logout and go back to the beginning killing the same mobs over and over. After I get enough gold I blow it all on the AH. I don't even bother to list items much as I could care less about trading anyone anything; I just want my gear upgrades. I have no desire to assist others with their gear upgrades. I play solo.

There isn't a point in running higher Acts as all I seek is gold to buy items from people on the AH. If I cared enough for the game I suppose I would have had to consider using the RMAH to outfit my guys in a jiffy. Pay2Win in all it's glory. I don't really like the game truthfully; I just want to get my $60 worth of entertainment out of it. Not like beating it on Inferno is going to unlock more story lines or something.

So that's my strategy for Diablo III as absolutely 0 upgrades have occurred since I was level eight. I realize that for you the Blizzard gods shone down upon you and gear was provided for you like mana from heaven. For me all I get is shit 10 levels below me. Absolutely worthless garbage.

I'm actually finding that the very best gear is stuff that has tons of vitality and a little of your primary stat. Resists, attack speed, etc are all overrated. When mobs want to one shot you they will. There isn't an ounce of "skill" involved in a one shot. Nor any amount of gear that will protect you from it. My bars consist of Tumble, Caltrops, Vanish, and an aoe pushback, fear and Bola shot that explodes and stuns. DPS is irrelevant at this point as trying to actually kill something will get you killed. Better to just run, trap, disappear, pushback, fear, and place an explosive to do damage while you concentrate on running more.

Just my opinion; not forcing it upon anyone else. But this is Diablo III as I see it.
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You will find yourself getting a lot more gold farming some of the later acts, IMO, specifically act 3. I also farm gold via the Nightmare difficultly as well.
 
Intel_Hydralisk said:
Why the heck is Dark Souls thrown around then? I wasn't aware D1/D2 were the predecessors to Dark Souls. What the heck??

The game has a lot of flaws that Blizzard is trying to address (Inferno and Uniques were specifically pointed out in their big long post... so can people stop mentioning how bad that 1 unique they found was?). The fact that there is an AH is certainly NOT one of the issues. There are MUCH bigger issues with the game than the fact that I can hop on the AH and buy/sell stuff. So. Much. Whining. I do NOT miss spamming the trade chat. If that's what you guys miss about D2, then *facepalm*
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I'd assume the comparison to Dark Souls is that both it and the first 2 Diablo games were dark and gothic themed with a huge horror aspect. Otherwise, the only similarity is that they are aRPG's.
 
Intel_Hydralisk said:
And you are entitled to your opinion, but I find it strange that we are literally playing completely different games the way you describe your experience. Vitality is the overrated stat. If you want survivability, resists and armor is better. If you're a DH then Vitality holds near 0 value in Inferno. Also, bola shot sucks btw.

I'm sorry but statements like "literally 0 upgrades since level 10" are just incredibly hard to believe. It not only makes no logical sense (clearly if everything that drops for everyone is 10 levels lower than them, level 60 items wouldn't exist), but is such an anecdotal over the top claim that it's hard to take seriously in any sort of reasonable conversation.
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Bola stuns and provides another CC to keep mobs off me. I don't need to kill things; I need to avoid the one shot. One well timed Bola gives me all the room to reset the kiting area when walled in or forced into a bad situation . Since I got rid of the junk stats I have a 35% chance to dodge from all the Dexterity I have stacked. Works quite well for me.

As far as over the top statements I'm trying to explain to you what drops in my game. In your game maybe something the proper level will drop. In mine nothing drops that is of consequence. Maybe my account is bugged? Hell if I know. All I know is that the server thinks I'm level 41 and I'm 54 and have gone back now to farming Act I as Act III drops are nonexistent. I could farm Act III for gold,not drops, but there are too many one shot mechanics. Not worth the repair bill as it's cheaper to farm Act I and buy gear that exists on the AH instead of imaginary drops that don't occur.


Let me reiterate. Nothing drops in my game that is an upgrade for my character. Thus it is intended for us to farm Acts for gold to purchase gear from other on the AH. It is not intended for us to play through the Acts and expect to get drops to wear to the next Act. It doesn't happen in my game. Ever.

That's what players are complaining about. I didn't write the code for the game; I just spent $60 on it. If I had known it was a gold farming simulation I wouldn't have spent the $60. I thought the game was about getting incremental upgrades. If it is then it failed to provide those.

To be honest if it wasn't tied to my WoW and SC2 accounts I would have just bought a million gold for $5 and decked my character out. I could care less if Blizzard took away my Diablo III privileges at this point.
 
fps4ever said:
Not even close...
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That is what is sounds like.

The mechanics changed a little but that happens in sequels. The gear is a bit off and yet this sounds like D2 at launch. People will spend real money for items and yet this happened all the time in D2. You go through the same acts over and over and over again to get new items and yet that was what D2 ended up being about. I don't understand what people were expecting from this game. It plays better than D2 does, hands down. The patches will come to even it out and the expansion will release to finish the game off, as did Lord of Destruction.
 
BiH115 said:
Lots of TD games still going on? If so, may have to reinstall.
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yeah one of the streamers i watch for league of legends does WC3 TD games while he's stuck in 40 minute ranked queue's. theres all kinds of cool shit on there, just wish i still had my original copy and cdkey of WC3 from back in the day :(
 
-Tetsuo- said:
People will spend real money for items and yet this happened all the time in D2.
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A lot of people like to ignore that fact or brush it under the rug. I still remember my 14 year old self at my friend's birthday party... his dad's Bday gift to him was 40 SOJ's.
 
I still have diablo 2 installed on my pc, and I still play it sometimes. I can safely say I can walk into a game of Diablo 2, roll fresh or play a high level toon, and be more entertained than playing Diablo 3. 11 years later. It's not the nostalgia talking.
 
-Tetsuo- said:
That is what is sounds like.

The mechanics changed a little but that happens in sequels. The gear is a bit off and yet this sounds like D2 at launch. People will spend real money for items and yet this happened all the time in D2. You go through the same acts over and over and over again to get new items and yet that was what D2 ended up being about. I don't understand what people were expecting from this game. It plays better than D2 does, hands down. The patches will come to even it out and the expansion will release to finish the game off, as did Lord of Destruction.
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Not saying this to start an argument as I fully understand what you are saying. But what would someone's incentive be to keep playing while their expectations of what is fun aren't being met? I know because it's Blizzard we have this perception of a light at the end of the tunnel. But why torture yourself to stick with this when there are far better games out their compared to this one that are fun? Especially if you can afford to own them also. I may revisit this title at a later date. Right now it's missing incentives to make you want to play. I have tried to find the fun and it's eluded me.
 
00PS said:
One of the most missed things about D1 & D2 is finding uniques. When you found a unique you could usually equip it right away and have a badass character...at least for the rest of that act. Sometimes you'd find something that you didn't meet the requirements for (either stats or level). It was so fun waiting to equip that gear to finally become the badass. D3 doesn't give me those feelings. I've found 1 unique and it is trash; I've seen blues with lower level requirements and better stats. I find the game still enjoyable, but not to the extent that it's predecessors were.
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Damn, reading all this makes me just want to go back and play Diablo 2, lol. Wish it had better widescreen/resolution support.

SonicTron said:
I still have diablo 2 installed on my pc, and I still play it sometimes. I can safely say I can walk into a game of Diablo 2, roll fresh or play a high level toon, and be more entertained than playing Diablo 3. 11 years later. It's not the nostalgia talking.
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No kidding. Diablo 2 was WAY better. People talk about dupes/hacks/whatever but I didn't give two shits about any of that because I either played solo or with a couple friends only.
 
One name

Guild Wars 2

You best not go this route. Else I lose all faith in gaming.

No buying D3, not sniffing at it. This type of "itemized a la corporate gaming" can eat a bag o' cocks.
 
The game was fun in normal and hell, but now I'm on nightmare and can see where the gameplay is going... I'm already running around like a little girl, frightened of anything that moves. I've gotten very good at running away from fights for 12 mins to finally kill an elite that drops another useless item for any of the 3 classes I have up to a decent level so far.
 
A broken, hacked, and 11 year old Diablo 2 is still today a better game than this crap they delivered us. It's bad enough we had to deal with Mass Effect 3 this year, but Diablo 3 is not a story driven game and it shouldn't have been destroyed like it is.

The game needs a lot of patches to fix but lets get serious here. They shipped the game without PvP (CORE ELEMENT whether you played it or not), do you really think they are going to fix all the issues this game has?

There was also a post on the Bnet forums (http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5150112701?page=2#33) which contained the following post by Bashiok (community manager)
Bashiok said:
The auction house obviously provides an incredible service to allow for very easy trades between characters, and essentially blows out the wide range of items you could have available to you at any one time. So, in fact, the AH has to be a factor in how we drop items. On one hand you have a huge benefit because you can buy and sell items very easily, as opposed to having to post up WTS threads in the old USEast trading forums, but on the other end it does impact the item pool economy with the inherent ease at which you can trade items. If the AH existed but wasn't a factor at all into how items dropped/rolled, the economy would be completely tanked within a matter of weeks.
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That should explain Blizzard's priority with this game.
 
I wonder if the cost of the servers and on going maintenance is outweighing the piracy loss costs
 
Acoustique said:
I wonder if the cost of the servers and on going maintenance is outweighing the piracy loss costs
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Yea, just think about all the single players who now must take up server resources. Cost Blizzard money and piss off the player due to lag/downtime.
 
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