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I just love how everyone who hates D3 is making themselves out to be some kind of martyr.
But don't let me stop your circlejerk, just proceed on calling everyone who enjoys the game a blind sheep blizzard fanboy or whatever.
But don't let me stop your circlejerk, just proceed on calling everyone who enjoys the game a blind sheep blizzard fanboy or whatever.
I've been too busy lately to pay attention to the latest games, but what the fuck.
You're paying $60 up front and you can't play the fucking game offline?
Anyone who bought this game is the reason why game companies will continue to fuck end users, because they can.
You're paying $60 up front and you can't play the fucking game offline?
Anyone who bought this game is the reason why game companies will continue to fuck end users, because they can.
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The problem with the game is that everything is automated when it comes to leveling up. This pretty much makes the game solely an item based game. For the items, problem is the items are boring and legendary items are crappy. In D2, unique items had some "character" to them; it was exciting to find them. In D3, all you get is an item with bunch of stats and nothing special like +1 to skills or something else. Heck, in D3 the only thing that matters is the DPS stat in weapons. A horrible item system, lower level cap, no customization, linear dungeons, etc... makes Diablo 3 not so much of a Diablo game.
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Yep.
My words taste like vinegar. Before the launch I was defending D3 against all negative speculation. I'd was telling people it will be different after the game was released. Boy, I was right, but it is different for the worst. The game innovates some new features, but really destroys others. Having to go to the AH to buy gear so you can survive the next Act is getting old.
This is not the normal polished game that many of us thought it was going to be. That is a shame. I don't necessarily feel that I lost $60, rather, I was suckered into what was to be an amazing game from one of my favorite developers.
This is not the normal polished game that many of us thought it was going to be. That is a shame. I don't necessarily feel that I lost $60, rather, I was suckered into what was to be an amazing game from one of my favorite developers.
Blizzard ruins not only games, but genres. They set the bar because of how highly successful they do in sales, but other companies mimic their awful game mechanics. Because of this, I issued a refund through Blizzard's hotline. I'm not claiming to be some "martyr" but I'm putting my money where my mouth is on this one (more than I can say for most games I've bought, unfortunately...)
I agree with this ^^. One of my favorite things about the previous Diablo games, as well as talent trees in WoW, was the ability to customize a play-style with each toon that gave a very unique feel.
Also, Nightmare difficulty is closer to what the base difficulty should be. The first play-through was ridiculously easy. I realize that Diablo games are meant to be played-through more than once (obviously), but it would have been nice to have had a bit of a challenge the first time through.
As others have stated, I also really miss the dark, creepy, gothic feel of the previous games. This game feels too cartoonish to me.
All complaints aside, I've still had fun playing the game - it just hasn't lived up to what I hoped it would be. And I don't see myself pulling this game off the shelf, dusting off the case, and loading it up ten years from now, similarly to what I've done with D1/2.
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D3 is all bout farming and the rmah...whats not to love.
Yeah, D3 is all about farming. As opposed to... what? What exactly do you think people did in D2 or D1? And the RMAH isn't out yet.
I mean, have you even played the game? All I see you do is go in D3 threads and post "Hey guys Diablo 3 sucks mirite???". What exactly is your agenda here besides acting like an obnoxious teenager?
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D3 is all bout farming and the rmah...whats not to love.
Diablo has always been about farming.
The RMAH isn't even out and Inferno is clearable without too much effort. Even then, they're working to retune Inferno.
There are issues with the game, but the fact that you have to get items to be better at it is at its base, NOT an issue. This is what Diablo has always been about. It's a phat lootz game and always will be.
Diablo 2 is 12 years old. There have been lots of advancements in terms of innovation in the last 12 years. Inferno mode is just sloppy and lazy, there is literally no way you can defend it. I enjoyed Diablo 2 when it came out, but I must say, my expectations for games have changed over the years because of advancement of technology and innovation. This game was obviously lazily made with the intentions of generating massive amounts of revenue through the auction house. That's about it.
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LOL...wut? Did I piss in your wheaties or something?
Farming is one thing but to HAVE to do it to get better equipment in the auction house is eternally fucking stupid? Are you trying to claim D2 was like this?
There are plenty of Blizzard fanboy threads so go post in one of them...
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No...Blizzard just took it to the highest level of stupid greed in D3...Got that?
Fair enough if the "phat loot" was any good. It's all a bunch of generic crap and all the matters is the BIG DPS number. It is so bland it hurts. This is not a Diablo game, I am sorry.
I have had fun with the game. I have put maybe 60 hours into it. Have not touched Inferno, but it's just more of the same, just harder. Really nothing worth playing for. I may just wait until they patch this game a bunch. I mean, they already said they will make upgrading blacksmith and the jeweler less expensive, but wont be retro active. So I will just wait and stop wasting my time on things that do not matter. Game needs major changes if they think it will get any of the longevity D2 had. Unless PVP is amazing, which I highly doubt.
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This guy...he's got it.
Agreed.
I also think the skills should be levelable. It looks ridiculous when your weapon is the only thing that matters to damage and you don't even use it (like the Monk etc.)
I thought the game was fun, but it was a big disappointment from Diablo 2.
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Well, D2 definitely wasn't designed around the trading of items, nor was it designed only to be beaten by buying/trading items with other people.
I don't have a problem with the AH itself, I have a problem that Blizzard balanced the game around using it. Meaning, they balanced gear by not balancing it.
I really didn't play WoW much more than a handful of days, but did they balance gear like this? I know that if Everquest balanced gear based off of potential bazaar use, there would have been an extreme rage fit.
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I've played WoW since its birth pretty much, and on the whole, I found gear from enemies instantly useable no matter what level I was. Though a few years into it, re-leveling alts, the auction house is just much easier, that way you don't have to rely on the lower quality drops. In WoW, the Auction House is a great supplement if you've got the cash flow, but it's by no means a make/break deal. I feel like in Diablo, if I'm not constantly checking the AH, my survival chance/damage are all drastically affected.
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From random other posts I've seen from you, you don't even play the game.
As someone who's beaten Inferno without spending a dime on the RMAH (since you know, it's not even out) with only decent gear (none of this out of the world crap we've been seeing from people on youtube)... the game does not rely on you spending real $$ on the RMAH nor even spending that much time farming.
My DH has 79 hours played. Clearly I wittled away farming ungodly hours to get through Inferno guys.
I've addressed this. D3 Hell is easily soloable without trading for gear. This is where D3 takes it a step further and adds Inferno. Blizzard did not force you to go through Inferno. No one is forcing you to do this. They are also retuning Inferno and everything I've previously said about clearing Inferno applies here. No RMAH needed, no endless farming needed.
No I will keep it in hopes they fix this game. I have put 60 hours into the game so I am not the type of person to do that. I obviously found some fun in it. It is just becoming obvious to me how this game has nearly 0 replayability. I mean once you get a Monk to 60, there is no reason to roll another Monk, it will be the exact same toon!
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Why does everyone say this? People have cleared Inferno without touching the AH. It's not like people AREN'T able to at all.
Yes D3 has it's issues. But every time I see players who bitch and moan about needing to spend millions of gold on the AH to progress in Inferno all I see are bad players or unlucky players.
The only players I feel sorry for are those that are investing time into their Monks/Barbs and have to farm far more than the ranged classes to progress in Inferno. Hell, I've already rerolled my Wizard to WD because the Wizard play style just pisses me off.LeninGHOLA
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Why does everyone say this? People have cleared Inferno without touching the AH. It's not like people AREN'T able to at all.
Yes D3 has it's issues. But every time I see players who bitch and moan about needing to spend millions of gold on the AH to progress in Inferno all I see are bad players or unlucky players.
Because Blizzard has a few blue posts saying what I just said.
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The blue post says droprates were determined with the AH in mind.
Soulesschild likely means RMAH and not just the AH since to my knowledge no one has cleared inferno without using the GAH.
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Custom games are pretty much dead. I reinstalled recently to check it out. It's mostly bots making games with and you just sit in the game lobby with noone joining.
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Ah. Yes, the real money portion is 100% unneeded to beat the game. Obviously, since it isn't working yet.
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I just try to find TD / Hero Siege type games on random sites to try out solo. If it's decent I try to rope in a few friends that still have WC3 installed so we can give it a go.
Like most of us, I've played a fair number of Blizzard games over the years. Even with the complaints (many legitimate) that a number of people have, I hardly would say I feel screwed over by them. I didn't play Diablo 1 or 2 so I have no grounds for comparison, but I can't say I'm not having fun playing.
Sure there are issues, but I don't get how people are acting like a game company somehow owes them something. There's all this surprise that a firm would try to take the most profitable line in creating/marketing/selling their product.
I feel it's necessary to add the clause "ruins genres for me" to what you've said here Bdonedge. Not to say that you're wrong as a general statement or more than entitled to your own opinion, but Blizzard's sales would indicate that a majority of people disagree with you. They expand the market share for the genre regardless, and if that means it gets dumbed down to the lowest common denominator than its kinda just the way it is. Obviously you don't have to like it, but then you can take your money (as you did) somewhere else and play the game that meets your expectations.
Why the sense of entitlement here fps? Why wouldn't they take "stupid greed" to its highest level? They're permitted and arguably required to do so. I don't go bitch at/about the mechanic for making me buy fluids from him when I need to have maintenance done on my car. I either just do it or go somewhere else. What's the difference?
Best $60 I ever spent? Obviously not. Worst $60 I ever spent, or worse game I ever bought? Far from it.
Sure there are issues, but I don't get how people are acting like a game company somehow owes them something. There's all this surprise that a firm would try to take the most profitable line in creating/marketing/selling their product.
I feel it's necessary to add the clause "ruins genres for me" to what you've said here Bdonedge. Not to say that you're wrong as a general statement or more than entitled to your own opinion, but Blizzard's sales would indicate that a majority of people disagree with you. They expand the market share for the genre regardless, and if that means it gets dumbed down to the lowest common denominator than its kinda just the way it is. Obviously you don't have to like it, but then you can take your money (as you did) somewhere else and play the game that meets your expectations.
Why the sense of entitlement here fps? Why wouldn't they take "stupid greed" to its highest level? They're permitted and arguably required to do so. I don't go bitch at/about the mechanic for making me buy fluids from him when I need to have maintenance done on my car. I either just do it or go somewhere else. What's the difference?
Best $60 I ever spent? Obviously not. Worst $60 I ever spent, or worse game I ever bought? Far from it.
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I think that really hurts the replayability and longetivity of the game. There is no point in creating another character of the same class. At least in D2 there were a few builds for each character- each build requiring a different gear.
I don't feel like anything is owed to me or anything of that sort. I am more just disappointed with what the game has been released as. Maybe I had false expectations or am just getting too old to find the joy in games. I don't know, I just thought this game would be super epic and have longevity considering the time it took to make the game. Maybe it is the MMO elements that turn me off. I don't know.
YES! Say what you want, but D2 had much more depth to it than D3 does at this stage. Albeit, it did take LOD to make D2 what it is.
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Didn't Bashiok(sp?) come out and say that that's what he was saying AGAINST? And that some people were just misconstruing what he said? I believe I saw him post that somewhere....I'll try to dig it up at work....
I may be the only one who enjoyed Classic D2 more-so than LoD.
Also... anybody kind of pissed that there is really no gear that gives crazy bonuses to skills?
D2 had weapons/items that gave +4 to a skill etc.. but with the weapon dmg thing, it works totally differently.
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Weapon DPS isn't a unique and separate stat. It's just representation of the combination of weapon damage, attack speed, and any modifiers it might have. You can do the same thing to any D2 weapon with the aid of a calculator.
There is gear that adds +dmg% or reduces cooldown/increases duration of skills. Considering adding a point to skills in D2 did just that, it's essentially the same thing.