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Sowexly

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I want the best quality screen I can get that is ready to game on, I don't need 120Hz or anything magical like that because I doubt I would run games over 100 FPS with a 6970 and higher resolutions over 1080p etc.

I've looked into the Korean panels on eBay but I'm afraid to buy them and find dead pixels :(

I don't know if the extra $600-700 justifies 1600p or similar 1440p panels from top competitors.
 
120hz Korean panels are the best IPS panels for gaming now if you exercise some patience and wait until mid-june when they get more completed monitors in at 120hz.net , you can also buy a PC Bank version of the 1440p Korean monitors that is suppose to ship with Zero dead pixels (ignore the ship dates , its always 3-5 days unless you live in some funky country with anal customs) :

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Perfect-Pix...5249?pt=Computer_Monitors&hash=item20c51b2a01

There really isn't anything that's going to be better in terms of "best" unless you start spending a lot more money. Honestly I wouldn't worry that much about dead pixels on a 27 inch at 1440p , even if you get unlucky and get one that does have some its very likely to be in a corner and even then much more likely to be "stuck" and not "dead" pixels which means that when they transition they get stuck on a certain color per say.

I just got my Shimi in a few days ago and I love it (pixel perfect I might add). It was $315 but EASILY superior in value to more expensive 24 inch IPS panels for around the same cost here in the states that are not suppose to have dead pixels. I think its worth the risk honestly , there is a giant thread of happy consumers to back this up. Its risky , yes but the odds are well in your favor.
 
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I guess I could risk that, but which of the Korean panels is most power efficient?
Should I look into the 120Hz panels even if I might not run games @120?
 
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Sowexly said:
I guess I could risk that, but which of the Korean panels is most power efficient?
Should I look into the 120Hz panels even if I might not run games @120?
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They all use the same exact panel so power usage is the same across the board with maybe fractional differences. The only differences are really the multi input models versus the bare Dual DVI only standard ones. The multi input models have more input latency (which matters for gaming) while the standard models have very little and are excellent for gaming.

If you aren't going be gaming at 120hz than no , I would not even bother because of the increased cost (an extra $200) and there is no guarantee that it'll be able to hit 120hz as well. It VERY much depends on luck of the draw on getting one that reaches 120hz (some don't go beyond 100hz without errors) and if you have a good enough video card to push it. Keep in mind 1440p at 120hz is a lot of pixel information to shuffle around , no mid range card is going to be able to handle that.

So if you don't wanna deal with getting one that can't hit 120hz and don't have the hardware to push it than go for the PC Bank one I linked and enjoy.
 
More realistically, panels like the ZR24w have the best accelerated response time for e-IPS/H2-IPS tech. The newer ZR2440w is actually slightly less responsive in some transitions and has more input lag. The U2410 is very well rounded too. This Korean panel is just a new fad on here that most people won't be able to get their hands on and you won't find many good technical reviews yet. :) Any IPS labeled 6ms g2g w/ RTA is going to be about the fastest you can get.
 
I would get the Yamakasi monitor. Even if your computer can't go over 100+ FPS on most games, I would still buy it from its high resolution. I never heard of anyone getting dead pixels on this forum and I think their quality control is actually quite good.
 
EPOQ said:
lovin my zr2724w. perfect monitor.
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plus one, love it.
minus some black level troubles and mega agressive AG coating. Bad (or rather not perfect) black level is probably attributed to the same overly agressive coating...
 
I hope I won't be accused of hijacking, but I have a similar problem and I doubt making a separate thread would be a good idea.
Basically I'm torn between:
Dell U2312HM (225EUR)
Dell U2412M (265EUR)
Eizo FS2332-BK (On sale for 185EUR)
HP ZR2440w (345EUR)
Asus PA238Q (250EUR)

The problem is, that all of these get very high scores in reviews, yet I've read a lot of forum posts that tell different stories...
What i want: acceptable response time (no ghosting), good colors (not ultra-saturated, but just really good), good black level, no light-bleed. At first I was going for a 23", but now 24" is probably a pro too, although if there's a very good 23" monitor I don't see any problem.
I recently upgraded from a Samsung 226CW into AOC i2353Ph, which is probably the worst monitor I've ever seen. There's LOADS of light-bleed, uneven colors (one side of the monitor is yellowish (warmer), the other - bluish (colder)). It also has lots of blur and is just a very minor upgrade from my old Samsung. I've read a review that gave it a great score of 9/10, so I grabbed one ASAP - that's why i can't trust reviews anymore.
Eizo FS2332 seems to have very good reviews and is extremely cheap, but the design is... there's no design at all, and I've read negative opinions on this very forum about it.
I don't really need lots of adjustability, nor do I need built-in speakers or multiple inputs. It's going to be connected to a single PC, mostly used to play Diablo 3, Battlefield 3, League of Legends, WoW etc.
Any information will be highly appreciated, as I've spent more than two days now reading reviews, comparing etc. My maximum budget would be 400eur.
If this IS thread hijacking, then please tell me and I'll just make a separate thread.
 
If it weren't for the backlight bleed i would say the Samsung S24A850DW beats them all but maybe the new Samsung S27B970 could be a candidate for the best quality gaming ips (pls) available, all of them should come with A+ panels = best quality available.
 
Just read the review for S24A850DW. Looks good, except (as mentioned) the horrible backlight bleed...
 
Koween said:
Just read the review for S24A850DW. Looks good, except (as mentioned) the horrible backlight bleed...
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I had read that the fall 2011 models were plagued with backlight bleeding and that the newer models from the spring are less effected. I had also read the 24" models were worse than the 27" ones (which I know you aren't looking for).

I just ordered a 27" S227A850D so I'll see how the backlight is when I get it...
 
For the price, and the better response time, the HP > Dell, IMO. The Dell is unnecessarily expensive, all the extra connections are not needed by me, the OSD is not needed by me. The only other one I considered was the Yamaski, it's definitely nice looking for the price. I didn't bite because of the lack of warranty/potential support if something went wrong with it. I'd rather invest $679 on the HP and know I'm covered for 3 years than $400 on the Yamasaki and flush my money down the toilet if something happens to it.
 
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For the price, and the better response time, the HP > Dell, IMO. The Dell is unnecessarily expensive, all the extra connections are not needed by me, the OSD is not needed by me. The only other one I considered was the Yamaski, it's definitely nice looking for the price. I didn't bite because of the lack of warranty/potential support if something went wrong with it. I'd rather invest $679 on the HP and know I'm covered for 3 years than $400 on the Yamasaki and flush my money down the toilet if something happens to it.
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You know you can buy a 3 year warranty through Ebay's SquareTrade Warranties and you'll be covered right? Its not like you can't spend another $41 for an already cheap product and cover yourself against issues.

I'm glad I only paid $315 + $41 for the warranty for a monitor that normally costs closer to $700 here and I have a 3 year warranty on it just like the warranty you get from HP.
 
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Godmachine said:
You know you can buy a 3 year warranty through Ebay's SquareTrade Warranties and you'll be covered right? Its not like you can't spend another $41 for an already cheap product and cover yourself against issues.

I'm glad I only paid $315 + $41 for the warranty for a monitor that normally costs closer to $700 here and I have a 3 year warranty on it just like the warranty you get from HP.
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I also forgot to mention that I'm banned from Ebay for life.

So there.

Also, have you used their warranty service before? It doesn't sound like it would be the most efficient, easy to use kind of warranty service out there. I'd much rather have a manufacturer warranty over something EBAY offers. It looks like they do repairs as well as replacements. God help you if they don't trade it outright and try to fix it.
 
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For the price, and the better response time, the HP > Dell, IMO. The Dell is unnecessarily expensive, all the extra connections are not needed by me, the OSD is not needed by me. The only other one I considered was the Yamaski, it's definitely nice looking for the price. I didn't bite because of the lack of warranty/potential support if something went wrong with it. I'd rather invest $679 on the HP and know I'm covered for 3 years than $400 on the Yamasaki and flush my money down the toilet if something happens to it.
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Which Dell are you talking about? At least where I live, the Dell U2412M is ~20% less expensive than HP ZR2440W.
I wish I could find more detailed reviews about the ZR2440W (very little info is available, especially in english), I wonder how's the black level/backlight bleed etc, compared to U2412m. Will look into this sometime later.
P.S. Finished reading the Samsung 850 24" thread, seems like the chance to get a good panel is somewhere around 10%, which I find hardly acceptable, especially at that price point.
 
Koween said:
Which Dell are you talking about? At least where I live, the Dell U2412M is ~20% less expensive than HP ZR2440W.
I wish I could find more detailed reviews about the ZR2440W (very little info is available, especially in english), I wonder how's the black level/backlight bleed etc, compared to U2412m. Will look into this sometime later.
P.S. Finished reading the Samsung 850 24" thread, seems like the chance to get a good panel is somewhere around 10%, which I find hardly acceptable, especially at that price point.
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Sorry mate. I was talking about the 27" models. The U2711 is usually $100-200 more than its HP counterpart, the ZR2740w.
 
Snpbond said:
I had read that the fall 2011 models were plagued with backlight bleeding and that the newer models from the spring are less effected. I had also read the 24" models were worse than the 27" ones (which I know you aren't looking for).

I just ordered a 27" S227A850D so I'll see how the backlight is when I get it...
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If you got the S27A850T there's a very high probability it is completely free of blb :D. I myself have the 6-bit+frc S24A850DW and as i said before it has it's bad sides (slight blb blob at the bottom right and some slight banding) but the good sides (fast panel for being a ips/pls, no disturbing anti-glare, when calibrated it looks so good i almost shed a tear) is what made me keep it :D.

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I must add that i the best panel i ever had before was the Samsung T220 (with a real Samsung panel) and i have never seen a Nec Spectraview / Eizo ColorEdge or any other pro panels IRL before.
 
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Sorry mate. I was talking about the 27" models. The U2711 is usually $100-200 more than its HP counterpart, the ZR2740w.
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Well I can't afford a 27" as I have no room for it (would be too close to use comfortably - the monitor stands around 80cm / 31inch away from me) and I'd need some serious GPU upgrade to run those at 2550x1440.
 
stefanp67 said:
If you got the S27A850T there's a very high probability it is completely free of blb :D. I myself have the 6-bit+frc S24A850DW and as i said before it has it's bad sides (slight blb blob at the bottom right and some slight banding) but the good sides (fast panel for being a ips/pls, no disturbing anti-glare, when calibrated it looks so good i almost shed a tear) is what made me keep it :D.
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That's good to hear, it shipped out today so I should have it early next week, as long as the BLB isn't too unbearable I don't think it'll be a problem. I had read the calibrated display has very nice colour, I assume you used the settings on TFTCentral??

Sorry for thread highjack...
 
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That's good to hear, it shipped out today so I should have it early next week, as long as the BLB isn't too unbearable I don't think it'll be a problem. I had read the calibrated display has very nice colour, I assume you used the settings on TFTCentral??

Sorry for thread highjack...
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Nope i bought my own hardware calibrator a Spyder4 which was later replaced by a ColorMunki Photo.
 
Godmachine said:
Korean monitors that is suppose to ship with Zero dead pixels (ignore the ship dates , its always 3-5 days unless you live in some funky country with anal customs) :
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Be forewarned regarding the "perfect pixel" guarantee... those guys aren't opening the boxes and testing them! They're simply charging you more under the guise that they are shipping you a perfect one. If it isn't perfect they offer to refund you the difference between the price you paid and what a "lottery" one would've cost you.

There's several reports of this in various other threads!
 
Tytalus said:
Be forewarned regarding the "perfect pixel" guarantee... those guys aren't opening the boxes and testing them! They're simply charging you more under the guise that they are shipping you a perfect one. If it isn't perfect they offer to refund you the difference between the price you paid and what a "lottery" one would've cost you.

There's several reports of this in various other threads!
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Good to know but I figured as much. I never said I guaranteed that it was going to be pixel perfect but that this brand claims as much. But its no surprise considering its the same panel and cherry picking would easily cost more.

Any of these monitors is a risk but far more often than not , they end up being a worth while "risk".
 
After looking around, it seems that the only real contenders for me are HP ZR2440w, Dell U2412m and Asus PA246Q. I'm completely lost (again), as they seem to be pretty close in quality, yet there's a gap in price. Any suggestions?
 
Google search "X model review," there are plenty in depth reviews for all of those models from places like tft central and prad.de
 
I did, and they seem to be pretty close to each other. The Asus seems to be the worst one, and when it's between U2412m and ZR2440w, then it's pretty much low input lag on Dell vs high contrast/good black levels on HP. And I'm not sure how will it feel with a 20/25ms input lag on HP, since my last monitor was a 2ms TN.
 
I wasn't sure if a 6970 was going to push 100+ FPS on most games @1440p that was the only reason I didn't care about overclocking the screen.

I might just grab the Catleap when I get a chance and see if I like it, either way I could use another monitor.
 
Finally decided to go with the zr2440w. Seems to have better contrast and better black levels. I also like the design better. Input lag is 9ms on the dell vs 20ms on zr2440. Coming from a 226cw, which (according to some) has a 40ms input lag it's going to be an upgrade anyway.
Now I can sleep better.
 
That's what they say at TFT Central ( http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/hp_zr2440w.htm ). Of course, in their tests the U2312HM has only 0.6ms lag, which seems to be almost perfect for gaming. But I am currently writing this on my temporary AOC 2353Ph (which, after a while, isn't as bad as I first thought, yet not something I'd recommend) and I don't like the 16:9 AR, especially when I had a 16:10 22".
 
Those TFT Central results are odd. While some are done with SMTT by themselves, SMTT cannot meausre in fractions of a ms.

Prad.de use the most accurate method (an oscilloscope) and get the following:

u2412m : 0.9ms signal lag + 6.5ms frame change (half of average response time) = 7.4ms
u2312hm : 1.1ms signal lag + 8.2ms frame change (half of average response time) = 9.3ms
zr2440w: 18.3ms signal lag + 7.2ms frame change (half of average response time) = 25.5ms
 
I wonder why is there such a difference in response times. Oh well - I will have to live with it, as I've already ordered the HP. Though after having re-re-re-read all the reviews, it seems that those two monitors are basially the same (u2412 and zr2440), except that the zr2440 is, for some reason, a lot laggier.
 
Quick question, as I am about to purchase Asus PA246Q: Why is PA246Q worse then HP ZR2440w and Dell U2412m for gaming?
 
Koween said:
I wonder why is there such a difference in response times. Oh well - I will have to live with it, as I've already ordered the HP. Though after having re-re-re-read all the reviews, it seems that those two monitors are basially the same (u2412 and zr2440), except that the zr2440 is, for some reason, a lot laggier.
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I was using a 2ms ASUS TN panel, and switched to the zr2740w....I can't tell a difference in the response time at all. The only thing I can tell a difference in is how much better this display looks in every possible way.
 
Has anyone heard anything about the acer b243pwl? Popped up earlier this month, but no reviews anywhere. Curious how it compares to the dell and hp
 
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