7970's must be in short supply

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Prices are going back up on New Egg, not down.

Just a few weeks ago, I picked up a Sahppire 7970 OC for $449 after rebate.

What's going on? With the 670's swapping scores with the 7970 you would think there would be another price break.
 
7970 is better than GTX 670 so I can understand the higher price.

I think both of them are over priced though.

I wish NVIDIA would get off their ass and get out an affordable 28nm card.
 
I noticed prices creeping back up also... Maybe the AIB partners testing the waters at a lower price point decided it wasn't worth it vs. nvidia's inability to supply consistently.

I don't see any other reason AIB partners feel confident enough to raise prices.

Don't forget, many of them make both AMD & Nvidia cards...
 
How many months has it been since 680s were released and still out of stock? Just because they had a short supply at release doesn't make it much different from a paper release. It's not like they didn't know they had a small stock during release and no supply thereafter. So instead of delaying it 2-3 months they released what they had. I was in line to get a 680 and I'm glad I got a 7970 since its been a month since I built my PC and still no 680s. Even though 680 is awesome if they don't get a major supply soon it will end up a flop in sales.
 
Hey I have 3 7970s I'm looking to sell. Hah, well I'm offloading my entire system but yeah...I love them. They are fantastic cards.
 
You got lucky O.P. Its supply and demand. if newegg can sell the HD 7970s at higher prices and increase profits why would they not ? Also when OC'd HD 7970 OC competes with GTX 680 OC. So a GTX 670 is not in the same league.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/04/10/sapphire_hd_7970_oc_edition_video_card_review/5
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/05/21/asus_geforce_gtx_680_directcu_ii_top_gpu_review/6

Batman AC 2560 x 1600 FXAA High

HD 7970 (1280) - avg 62.2 min 36
GTX 680 (1291) - avg 55.6 min 37

BF3 2560 x 1600 Ultra 4x msaa
HD 7970 (1280) - avg 50.7 min 34 fps
GTX 680 (1291) - avg 51.3 min 30 fps

http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1038753441&postcount=13
 
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You must've missed this review http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_670_Direct_Cu_II/9.html

I would hardly call that being better than the 670. To OP, do yourself a favor and pick up a 670 Asus for cheaper or a gigabyte if you can get one and OC them. These are beasts that are killing even the 680's in benchmarks, do not buy an old generation HD 79xx right now you are wasting your money for no reason.

You don't understand you can keep showing a HD 7970 (925 Mhz). Even people who buy a HD 7970 at 925 Mhz try and push it to max clocks in AMD CCC at 1125 Mhz. so nobody cares. :)
 
Maybe AMD is clearing their stock of cards before they release the Ghz editions. Less supply = higher prices.
 
You must've missed this review http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_670_Direct_Cu_II/9.html

I would hardly call that being better than the 670. To OP, do yourself a favor and pick up a 670 Asus for cheaper or a gigabyte if you can get one and OC them. These are beasts that are killing even the 680's in benchmarks, do not buy an old generation HD 79xx right now you are wasting your money for no reason.

Techpowerup is worthless, I'll never understand why they bench at 1280x800.

That said, the HD7970 is ahead of the 670 in that review at 2560x1600, which doesn't really support your claim.
 
i game at 1200p, and that review has the 7970 ahead on most of them as well.
 
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Nvidia can't supply - aib's push up 7970's which are plentiful. Guess maybe they have more supply info then us. gtx680's have been woefully in short supply since launch and 670's not that much better. 28nm Nvidia seems to have some issues. Till they sort it out AMD will benefit cause they can actually provide cards in numbers and have both high end and mid range well supplied.
 
Nvidia can't supply - aib's push up 7970's which are plentiful. Guess maybe they have more supply info then us. gtx680's have been woefully in short supply since launch and 670's not that much better. 28nm Nvidia seems to have some issues. Till they sort it out AMD will benefit cause they can actually provide cards in numbers and have both high end and mid range well supplied.

If NVIDIA is having supply issues, that would drive up the cost of their cards. Yet pricing is stable.

Is NVIDIA is intentially holding back supply for artificial hype? Or is it NVIDIA can't make demand because of low product yields, and thereby taking a loss? From everything I'm reading/hearing & during the last conference call, process yields are where they were expected.

Given that ATI is using a similar 28nm process tech, and a larger die than the 680, one really has to wonder why NVIDIA is having so many problems.
 
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Given that ATI is using a similar 28nm process tech, and a larger die than the 680, one really has to wonder why NVIDIA is having so many problems.

Semiconductor manufacturing is immensely more complex than it sounds. Just because they're on the same process node, doesn't mean they're the same process, and these processes can vary significantly. There are tons of reasons why NV can be having an issue while AMD might not.
 
You must've missed this review http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_670_Direct_Cu_II/9.html

I would hardly call that being better than the 670. To OP, do yourself a favor and pick up a 670 Asus for cheaper or a gigabyte if you can get one and OC them. These are beasts that are killing even the 680's in benchmarks, do not buy an old generation HD 79xx right now you are wasting your money for no reason.

When did the 7900 series become old generation? If that's old generation to you than this poll is even more fitting for Nvidia's 680:
http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162945 (Voters: 12726 which is a good enough sample size)
 
If NVIDIA is having supply issues, that would drive up the cost of their cards. Yet pricing is stable.

Is NVIDIA is intentially holding back supply for artificial hype? Or is it NVIDIA can't make demand because of low product yields, and thereby taking a loss? From everything I'm reading/hearing & during the last conference call, process yields are where they were expected.

Given that ATI is using a similar 28nm process tech, and a larger die than the 680, one really has to wonder why NVIDIA is having so many problems.

They aren't having problems, their demand is much higher due to having superior products.
 
So a stock 680 beating a stock 7970 in several games by a few frames means NVidia has superior products? Ok, but the situation had been vastly different the prior couple years so I would disagree with you about either company being "superior". :)
 
So a stock 680 beating a stock 7970 in several games by a few frames means NVidia has superior products? Ok, but the situation had been vastly different the prior couple years so I would disagree with you about either company being "superior". :)

Other factors such as adaptive vsync, driver support, proper multi-card support in drivers, ambient occlusion in many popular titles that AMD simply can't do (such as Skyrim, Diablo 3, etc.), better speed, low pricing, and thermals + noise = superior. Arguably even the GTX 5xx series was better than the Radeon 6xxx stuff, but what matters is now: people aren't looking to buy Radeon 6xxx, they're looking at Radeon 7xxx vs. GTX 6xx. And, in the market right now... well, sales speak for themselves, don't they?
 
Other factors such as adaptive vsync, driver support, proper multi-card support in drivers, ambient occlusion in many popular titles that AMD simply can't do (such as Skyrim, Diablo 3, etc.), better speed, low pricing, and thermals + noise = superior. Arguably even the GTX 5xx series was better than the Radeon 6xxx stuff, but what matters is now: people aren't looking to buy Radeon 6xxx, they're looking at Radeon 7xxx vs. GTX 6xx. And, in the market right now... well, sales speak for themselves, don't they?

Well that's great, but the 7970 came out ~3 months before the 680.... so of course the 680 should beat it... nVidia finally did something right! Doesn't make them superior, but it saved them from once again being inferior that's for sure.

Let me know when the 780 drops then we'll talk.
 
Well that's great, but the 7970 came out ~3 months before the 680.... so of course the 680 should beat it... nVidia finally did something right! Doesn't make them superior, but it saved them from once again being inferior that's for sure.

Let me know when the 780 drops then we'll talk.

8800 ULTRA, GTX 280, GTX 480, GTX 580...all of them were the fastest single GPU out and all of them except the GTX 480 came out before the AMD counterpart. I guess they have been doing it all wrong though :rolleyes:
 
Well that's great, but the 7970 came out ~3 months before the 680.... so of course the 680 should beat it... nVidia finally did something right! Doesn't make them superior, but it saved them from once again being inferior that's for sure.

Let me know when the 780 drops then we'll talk.

Some people like to wait for the best :D. Rather have the best, working product, rather than slower speed & a boatload of driver troubles. But hey, sales #'s don't lie... maybe it's just me ;).
 
Although the 6900 series was slower than the 580, it was quite a bit cheaper, which definitely made it a far better buy for the performance difference.
This gen though definitely seems to be favouring nVidia as it's cheaper and faster.
 
I am quite satisfied with my overclocked 7970 CF setup I was playing in January :) I'm not partial to either company, had 8800GTX sli back in the day, but you are clearly coming across as a nVidia fan boy. Whatever floats your boat!

I might switch back to green when they release the real Kepler!
 
Some people like to wait for the best :D. Rather have the best, working product, rather than slower speed & a boatload of driver troubles. But hey, sales #'s don't lie... maybe it's just me ;).

You are the biggest nvidia fan boy. Are u mad that water oced 7970s will beats most 680s due to having full control of the card?
 
You are the biggest nvidia fan boy. Are u mad that water oced 7970s will beats most 680s due to having full control of the card?

According to him anybody who has a different opinion than his on HD 7970 vs GTX 680 is a AMD fan. He has constantly called me that. Both cards are good. Each has its pros and cons. Nvidia has gaming perf and perf/watt. AMD has gaming perf, compute perf and bandwidth but at a power cost. Nvidia's card can run into bandwidth bottlenecks. So its a personal choice. ;)
 
Semiconductor manufacturing is immensely more complex than it sounds. Just because they're on the same process node, doesn't mean they're the same process, and these processes can vary significantly. There are tons of reasons why NV can be having an issue while AMD might not.

^This.

Given AMD's background in semiconductors, they undoubtedly have an edge of Nvidia in this department, but you essentially build a chip around the requirements a semiconductor process. This is also why AMD can't just take it's Bulldozer design and move it to TSMC's 28nm node, because it was designed in GFlo's 32nm node in mind. Intel does the same thing with their designs.

With that said, I'd probably go Nvidia this time around if I were to buy another card, but that doesn't mean AMD isn't competitive. Plus, Nvidia doesn't have anything to compete with the 7800 line of cards yet, and both companies make more money in the $200-300 price range than they do the $400+ price range due to higher volumes sold.

My gut tells me that the Geforce 700 series will simply be a redesign of the 600 series given what they've learned with the 28nm process node. By then they'll have higher yields, more supply, and more than just a small handful of chips to sell just like the 500 series was to the original Fermi.
 
And yet again, the Nvidia fanboys trolling on the AMD forums. Obviously they must be afraid of something or they wouldn't be here.
 
I agree.

This conversation IS NOT about which is better, but why AMD's Radeon prices are heading back up.

Go away fanbois.
 
The 7970 is WAY overpriced, period. It needs to come down to somewhere close to the $400-425 mark. I can't imagine AMD is selling as many of these as they would like, I'm thinking manufacturing yields must be holding them back from lowering the prices right now.
 
The 7970 is a great piece of hardware, it's the software that is lacking for multi-card enthusiasts anyway. I was getting ready to get a couple 6GB versions for some 5 screen fun a couple months back, but that never happened unfortunately.

Bitcoins were great for me, made a very nice profit on them, and still have a few I'm keeping to see what's going to happen, but seems it's heyday has passed, but maybe I'll give it another go next winter when I can also use the heat!

As long as nvidia can't meet demand, prices will stay up there.
 
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