Game of Thrones Season 2: Most Pirated in 2012

Sufu said:
GL finding HBO shows on Netflix. Also not going to wait a year once the show is done running to buy the boxed DVD set.

Now if you could buy a season pass per show for a reasonable price, WHILE it's currently airing (instead of making everyone wait months for it to finish), I personally think that's a much better alternative than paying 20-30bucks a month on top of your cable bill for a single show.
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http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Game_of_Thrones/70177064?trkid=2361637
 
HBO would make a killing if they just allowed GoT to be download able from amazon and/or itunes.
 
If you didn't notice, the thread is about Season 2 and you keep bringing up Season 1 examples.
 
Azhar said:
DVD and Netflix isn't a reasonable alternative? Alrighty then, I guess some people just can't be satisfied.
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they are perfectly reasonable alternatives. The problem is in the distribution time, not the fact that there are no viable outlets for the digital market.

This has been covered in other studies, movie piracy is at it's highest when releases are staggered across markets.. It really becomes an issue of cable is hit or miss, many people as stated don't really watch much, but yet prices for it are pretty high and as stated earlier riddled with hidden costs, this makes the price of the program non competitive. on the other hand a dvd release is usually long off and at least a little while after airing ends. I think it's going to take a change in thinking about the business model to address this if they want to. People always want options

The solution would be to have competitive pricing on their service, and maybe offer hbo go to non subscribers at a slight premium. Or sell the show directly within hours of it airing.

there will be people that will always pirate because its free, you aren't going to get those people no matter what you do. But you can make it easy and convenient for those who are on the fence and maybe pick them up watching other shows too, without inconveniencing them to wait for dvd's.
 
Only way things will change is if cable networks start losing enough money. Things like mytvchoice are a start. But I think it needs to come down to either purchase a show or a network thru your cable provider. Cable is expensive cause you buy 100+ stations and watch 10 of them.

I have cable + premium stations mostly for the series they have which are really good.
 
MavericK96 said:
If you didn't notice, the thread is about Season 2 and you keep bringing up Season 1 examples.
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My examples stand. My point was it is or will be available through alternate means for those who's not willing to pay premium for contents now. There are other movies and television shows and means of entertainment to pass the time.

You, nor anyone else are entitled to these shows.
 
Azhar said:
My examples stand. My point was it is or will be available through alternate means for those who's not willing to pay premium for contents now. There are other movies and television shows and means of entertainment to pass the time.

You, nor anyone else are entitled to these shows.
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Again, it has nothing to do with whether or not you feel it is entitlement. If people want to watch these shows now, do you think they are going to pay $50+ for cable, $15+ for HBO per month to watch one show? Or are they going to just go download it for free?

Now, alternatively, given the choice between a streaming service for $10/mo or piracy, wouldn't you say they are more likely to choose the legit service, given that it is considerably less than the current option?

You keep having this attitude of "fucking pirates, entitled, etc." as if that is going to change anything. Businesses have this attitude too, and has it helped them curb piracy at all? No.

The only solution is to provide a motivation to go legit as opposed to piracy. That motivation has to come in the form of a reasonably-priced, easy to use and access service. Why do you think Steam sales are so popular? Convenience and price.
 
snowcrash said:
If you can't afford $140 that doesn't mean it's ok for you to pirate it. The entitlement mentality of people these days is unbelievable. The worst part is trying to justify your reason for downloading it. At least man up and say you're stealing.

As much as I'm against SOPA or whatever iteration it is now, when I see stuff like this it makes me want to change my mind and support it.
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Does it make you feel better if I watch cable shows over at his house? What then? Either way, cable gets boned. At some point there has to be a limit to this bullshit.
 
MavericK96 said:
Again, it has nothing to do with whether or not you feel it is entitlement. If people want to watch these shows now, do you think they are going to pay $50+ for cable, $15+ for HBO per month to watch one show? Or are they going to just go download it for free?

Now, alternatively, given the choice between a streaming service for $10/mo or piracy, wouldn't you say they are more likely to choose the legit service, given that it is considerably less than the current option?

You keep having this attitude of "fucking pirates, entitled, etc." as if that is going to change anything. Businesses have this attitude too, and has it helped them curb piracy at all? No.

The only solution is to provide a motivation to go legit as opposed to piracy. That motivation has to come in the form of a reasonably-priced, easy to use and access service. Why do you think Steam sales are so popular? Convenience and price.
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For fucks sake, "reasonably priced, easy to use" is ALREADY THERE as I'm trying to fucking convey! You pay for the privilege of seeing it NOW with Cable+HBO. You can pay less if you're willing to wait a little longer.

You're reaching so far into the thinking that there's always a reason to justify downloading something that's otherwise available everywhere for less! The entitlement attitude is there and you just refuse to see it in your denial that piracy is wrong.

We're not going to agree with each other because you're set in your ways.

I'm going to try one more time, but I don't think I'm going to get the message across. Games cost less and less as the years go by until it comes to a point where it becomes public domain and free - and legally available - at sites like abandonia.com and myabandonware.com. You want to pay less or nothing? You wait - or wait for a Steam sale as pointed out (yes, you wait for game sales. Nothing goes on 50% sale on launch day). You want it now? You pay the cost as it is now.
 
Azhar said:
For fucks sake, "reasonably priced, easy to use" is ALREADY THERE as I'm trying to fucking convey! You pay for the privilege of seeing it NOW with Cable+HBO. You can pay less if you're willing to wait a little longer.

You're reaching so far into the thinking that there's always a reason to justify downloading something that's otherwise available everywhere for less! The entitlement attitude is there and you just refuse to see it in your denial that piracy is wrong.

We're not going to agree with each other because you're set in your ways.

I'm going to try one more time, but I don't think I'm going to get the message across. Games cost less and less as the years go by until it comes to a point where it becomes public domain and free - and legally available - at sites like abandonia.com and myabandonware.com. You want to pay less or nothing? You wait - or wait for a Steam sale as pointed out (yes, you wait for game sales. Nothing goes on 50% sale on launch day). You want it now? You pay the cost as it is now.
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You clearly didn't even read/comprehend the point of my post at all. Nowhere did I say that piracy was justified, nor did I ever say that I felt entitled to anything.

I get your point that you can wait and get stuff cheaper, I get that. I never disputed that. What I am saying is that people (in general, not me, not necessarily you, but people) are likely to "want it now" as part of your "entitlement" attitude, and will resort to methods like this to get it when it's not available on services like Netflix.

The point is that by keeping their service model the way it is, like the music industry of old, they are almost encouraging piracy because it is far more convenient and, of course, cheaper than the alternative. The more you make people have to pay and the more you make them work, the less they are going to want to use a service.

Again, piracy is not justified, but it looks attractive to people given the alternatives. I don't even have to back that up with anything, that's the whole notion of this thread.

Calling me "set in my ways" is like the pot calling the kettle black, man. I never even said piracy was justified but you have repeatedly made it clear that you think it's wrong/immoral/whatever.
 
Azhar said:
You, nor anyone else are entitled to these shows.
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No one gives crap about entitlement, we're talking about reality. The reality is if you make a show people want to watch, advertise it heavily and then tell them they can only get it through subscription services they don't want or wait a year and get it when it becomes available elsewhere, guess what, people are just gonna pirate it.

Until they get with reality and actually offer some competition for piracy, I have no sympathy for them.
 
MavericK96 said:
You clearly didn't even read/comprehend the point of my post at all. Nowhere did I say that piracy was justified, nor did I ever say that I felt entitled to anything.

I get your point that you can wait and get stuff cheaper, I get that. I never disputed that. What I am saying is that people (in general, not me, not necessarily you, but people) are likely to "want it now" as part of your "entitlement" attitude, and will resort to methods like this to get it when it's not available on services like Netflix.

The point is that by keeping their service model the way it is, like the music industry of old, they are almost encouraging piracy because it is far more convenient and, of course, cheaper than the alternative. The more you make people have to pay and the more you make them work, the less they are going to want to use a service.

Again, piracy is not justified, but it looks attractive to people given the alternatives. I don't even have to back that up with anything, that's the whole notion of this thread.

Calling me "set in my ways" is like the pot calling the kettle black, man. I never even said piracy was justified but you have repeatedly made it clear that you think it's wrong/immoral/whatever.
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Fine, I understand what you mean. You and I wouldn't succumb to piracy, but everyone else will as long as they continue to service us this way.

I do agree that cable television cost too much and I agree doubly that it's silly to pay even more for extras on top of that ridiculous price. That's why I don't have cable to begin with. If it's not on Netflix, I don't care. That's my attitude.

I just disagree with everyone's method of "since they're not changing their ways, we'll pirate". It should be "since they're not changing their ways, we're going to vote with our wallets and consider them irrelevant". The way I see it, high piracy rate is their way to determine that they must be doing something right, and they're going to continue to rape their customers, and maybe get a few more dime off of the pirates if they're caught.

That's why I don't like piracy. Not because of the "stealing", but because you're just adding more fuel to their fire. They're corporations. They don't give two shits about you. Purchase their movies off-season paying less and their bottom line will eventually get hit like Sony's experiencing now.
 
I can't down the downloads... everyone should get to see the Khaleesi nude at least once a week

:D :D :D :D :D
 
Just throwing this in there

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Are those stats limited to just the US or is that world wide?
 
AMC and the premium channels need to realize it's the 21st century. I don't own a television, I don't have cable. I grew up without them and have no desire to acquire them. I watch 80% of my television shows on hulu or independant sites from the shows creators with commercials exactly like I would if I owned a telvision with cable.

AMC and the premium movie channels are being retarded and sticking to dying mediums. AMC just needs to jump on the hulu bandwagon. The premium channels just need to jump on the hulu plus bandwagon. Or just make their own versions of it with whatever commercials they feel are appropriate.

Another alternative still... If you don't like offering internet viewers a commercially supporter version like your cable viewers ... offer them a rental. A few weeks ago I wanted to see "Moon". Not I want to $10 to $20 dvd view it over and over again. I just wanted to sit down, and watch it once. So I paid amazon $1.99 and watched it within a 24 hour rental period. If these television studios are so against letting me view it online with commercials (add an extra fucking commercial to make up for the cable paycheck you get for all I care), then sell them as rentals on amazon for $0.99 an episode. Not the $3.99 I want to watch it 10 times episodes. Just a one time, 24 hour rental.

I don't feel sorry for them, this is totally self-inflicted.

To all those "your an entitled ass hole" people. I agree, I am an entitled ass hole. However, HBO is also an entitled ass hole thinking you should pay for a cable package and a premium channel package to watch their shows they are just going to cancel early anyway.
 
Tudz said:
No one gives crap about entitlement, we're talking about reality. The reality is if you make a show people want to watch, advertise it heavily and then tell them they can only get it through subscription services they don't want or wait a year and get it when it becomes available elsewhere, guess what, people are just gonna pirate it.

Until they get with reality and actually offer some competition for piracy, I have no sympathy for them.
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I actually agree with you here. If someone is ONLY interested in the GoT offering from HBO, and has no interest in cable otherwise, they are not going to pay whatever it costs for basic cable, AND then get the HBO channel on top of that, that is not what someone who has no interest in the other offerings is going to do.

It's hard to compete with free when the alternative costs so much more than $0. To use that one guy's example, $140 monthly? That's $1680 a year on a $140 a month @ 12 months a year schedule, for ONE show.

Redonkulous.

Has nothing to do with "entitlement", and has everything to do with $1680 a year trying to compete with the low, low, low, price of free.
 
I agree that HBO, as well as other premium channels, need to change their model. They are just asking for their content to get pirated for not offering in a different format. As others have stated why would I go out and pay for cable + HBO just to get one show. I certainly don't feel entitled to anything, but at the same time, people want to see current offerings. I would gladly pay for a streaming service of current episodes, but we're not given that option anywhere. Regardless of the corporations giving two shits about us or not, they will bend to the consumer's will in the end. They have to. They have no choice. If their shows continue to get pirated they make that much less money and no, they won't make enough back by going the legal route.
 
Azhar said:
It should be "since they're not changing their ways, we're going to vote with our wallets and consider them irrelevant".
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What the hell do you think piracy is? If anything, it's voting with your wallet. "You have not given us a fair option to hand over our money for this week's show, so we're just going to take it and not give you anything". HBO cannot stop people from pirating the show. If they actually cared about profits instead of bitching and moaning, they'd put the new episodes up for sale.
 
Red Machine D said:
What the hell do you think piracy is? If anything, it's voting with your wallet. "You have not given us a fair option to hand over our money for this week's show, so we're just going to take it and not give you anything". HBO cannot stop people from pirating the show. If they actually cared about profits instead of bitching and moaning, they'd put the new episodes up for sale.
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It's most certainly not voting with your wallet. It's an illegal way of making your point. There are legal methods such as not watching it at all. That would be voting with your wallet. Otherwise you're no better than they.

It's no different from Anonymous trying to stop government from enacting SOPA by DDoS'ing their server, or having an NRA supporter shoot someone to keep gun freedoms.

You think cable prices are getting out of control? Write to the FCC or your Congressman. Don't pirate.
 
ravx25 said:
I agree that HBO, as well as other premium channels, need to change their model.
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The problem for HBO, and many other premium channels for that matter, is their hands are tied. In the case of HBO, they are owned by Time Warner Cable.

TW isn't going to let HBO roll out a service that disrupts their current, very lucrative, business model. Right now the trend of cord cutting is growing, but the number of cord cutters out there is still tiny compared to the number of cable subscribers.

For things to change, cable companies will need pain inflicted on their bottom line.
 
I for one, pirate this show via online streaming services. I enjoy it, but like many others, do not have cable nor want to purchase 2 subscriptions to get 1 show. I also refuse to pay to be advertised to.

Why should I pay cable television so that I can watch 22 minutes of ads every hour? Why should I pay for cable so that they can decide when I can watch certain content? Why should I pay for a middle man to deliver me content that I am capable of receiving directly? Like the music industry, the cable industry is an archaic model run rife with old money that refuse to adapt, and its killing them slowly.

The original free hulu model makes sense to me (hulu plus can die in a fire) because although I receive the content for free, I pay back my time to watch a couple of ads to enjoy my content. Its convenient, I can search, and they even have related shows i might like in a convenient format. That's cool.

Then there's hulu plus, where i get all the same things as hulu (including ads!) but I PAY them? That's double dipping, and its basic theft. If they're going to complain that I steal content by pirating, I'm going to complain they steal money by charging me twice for the same show. Once is my money, once is my time, and both are of finite availability and hold value. That to me, is being charged twice.

Where possible, I support shows that play on basic hulu, because I know the ads help the shows development, they provide it in a reasonable delivery, and it doesn't cost me anything but time. That is an honorable delivery system.

and just to jump the gun, two wrongs don't make a right, but useless sayings don't either.
 
decembr said:
I for one, pirate this show via online streaming services. I enjoy it, but like many others, do not have cable nor want to purchase 2 subscriptions to get 1 show. I also refuse to pay to be advertised to.

Why should I pay cable television so that I can watch 22 minutes of ads every hour? Why should I pay for cable so that they can decide when I can watch certain content? Why should I pay for a middle man to deliver me content that I am capable of receiving directly? Like the music industry, the cable industry is an archaic model run rife with old money that refuse to adapt, and its killing them slowly.

The original free hulu model makes sense to me (hulu plus can die in a fire) because although I receive the content for free, I pay back my time to watch a couple of ads to enjoy my content. Its convenient, I can search, and they even have related shows i might like in a convenient format. That's cool.

Then there's hulu plus, where i get all the same things as hulu (including ads!) but I PAY them? That's double dipping, and its basic theft. If they're going to complain that I steal content by pirating, I'm going to complain they steal money by charging me twice for the same show. Once is my money, once is my time, and both are of finite availability and hold value. That to me, is being charged twice.

Where possible, I support shows that play on basic hulu, because I know the ads help the shows development, they provide it in a reasonable delivery, and it doesn't cost me anything but time. That is an honorable delivery system.

and just to jump the gun, two wrongs don't make a right, but useless sayings don't either.
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Don't look now, but you're paying a middleman to get on the [H] and services like Netflix.
 
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