IB 3570K 4.5GHZ 1.17V

Endgame said:
Its more work to update the libraries than to just install and run OCCT, not to mention actually having to figure out how to use and update the other programs. Still, I'll probably check out Linx, just because. My guess is that BF3 / any other game I play won't stress the CPU nearly as much as either program, so it probably doesn't matter in the end.
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Without updating LinX, it's more up to date than OCCT or IBT, especially if you download it from the Xtremesystems 4.5GHz club page.

It's also just as easy to use as OCCT or any of the others. You specify the memory size you want to test, how many loops you want to test for, and then click start...

So yeah, no argument there either.
 
SonDa5 said:
After further tweaking I'm blown away by IB 3570k.

4.5GHZ 1.17V
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I believe you're running at 1600MHz Core Clock at 1.17 Volts. Not 4.5. Run a prime95 test and watch the voltage go up when the CPU goes to 4.5GHz. Unless I'm missing something in all the pictures.
 
Moogoos said:
I believe you're running at 1600MHz Core Clock at 1.17 Volts. Not 4.5. Run a prime95 test and watch the voltage go up when the CPU goes to 4.5GHz. Unless I'm missing something in all the pictures.
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I was originally thinking the same thing, but it's possible to have the same voltage @ 1600 and 4500 using fixed voltage instead of offset voltage with 1155 boards.
 
Took a note from an earlier reply in this thread and installed SP1 on my new machine and it makes a huge difference in IBT... I could run at 4.2ghz on stock cooling at a vcore of 1.095. Temps would be stable around 85F...

As soon as I finished up the SP1 install temps went up to 93C on all cores.

This was on a 3570K w/ ASRock Pro4-M.
 
Looks really tragic - i get that 4,5 without any problems at 1,28 and it still is cooler using Scythe Infinity 2 which isn't even top of line air cooler.
 
MissJ84 said:
I was originally thinking the same thing, but it's possible to have the same voltage @ 1600 and 4500 using fixed voltage instead of offset voltage with 1155 boards.
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What about the Real Temp GT pic up there? It shows temps for a 4.160MHz overclock. These pictures are very confusing and don't tell the story or backup the claim.

He should run a Prime or whatever but keep CPU-Z up as well as core temp or whatever temp mon program and let's see how if it does 4.5 at 1.17V. What are your RAM speeds, temps?
 
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Moogoos said:
What about the Real Temp GT pic up there? It shows temps for a 4.160MHz overclock. These pictures are very confusing and don't tell the story or backup the claim.

He should run a Prime or whatever but keep CPU-Z up as well as core temp or whatever temp mon program and let's see how if it does 4.5 at 1.17V. What are your RAM speeds, temps?
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Correct. 4.5 is stable at ~ 1.28V.
IBT isn't a measuring stick. Prime or LinX should be used.
 
Moogoos said:
What about the Real Temp GT pic up there? It shows temps for a 4.160MHz overclock. These pictures are very confusing and don't tell the story or backup the claim.

He should run a Prime or whatever but keep CPU-Z up as well as core temp or whatever temp mon program and let's see how if it does 4.5 at 1.17V. What are your RAM speeds, temps?
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Wow! Nice catch on the 4.160 lol. I am now questioning as well...

WorldExclusive said:
Correct. 4.5 is only stable at ~ 1.28V.
IBT isn't a measuring stick. Prime or LinX should be used.
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This is exactly what I was referring to in the last message I sent you.
 
MissJ84 said:
This is exactly what I was referring to in the last message I sent you.
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Yeah, people running IBT are just cheating themselves.
That was never considered a program used for OC stability.
5 hours of Prime95 and 20 passes of LinX usually tells the story.
 
WorldExclusive said:
Yeah, people running IBT are just cheating themselves.
That was never considered a program used for OC stability.
5 hours of Prime95 and 20 passes of LinX usually tells the story.
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IBT and LinX are the same thing - two different front-ends for Linpack.
 
Forceman said:
IBT and LinX are the same thing - two different front-ends for Linpack.
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I recently heard that IBT could be updated with the latest libraries. If that's true, it's the same as LinX. But people need to update them or they arn't doing anything anyway. It's the same story with LinX.

ShuttleLuv said:
Exactly, even OCCT has Linpack as well.
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The issue with IBT and LinX both are that people do not seem to understand that testing 1GB of memory doesn't do anything. You have to test _all_ of your memory in order to tell the story. That REQUIRES a diagnostic mode boot to load the fest possible things into memory.

Start -> MSCONFIG -> diagnostic mode -> restart

Anyway, the bottom line is you need to keep your linpack libraries updated, or you are not testing anything. OCCT linpack binaries cannot be updated. OCCT sucks. Don't use it.
 
Zoson said:
I recently heard that IBT could be updated with the latest libraries. If that's true, it's the same as LinX. But people need to update them or they arn't doing anything anyway. It's the same story with LinX.



The issue with IBT and LinX both are that people do not seem to understand that testing 1GB of memory doesn't do anything. You have to test _all_ of your memory in order to tell the story. That REQUIRES a diagnostic mode boot to load the fest possible things into memory.

Start -> MSCONFIG -> diagnostic mode -> restart

Anyway, the bottom line is you need to keep your linpack libraries updated, or you are not testing anything. OCCT linpack binaries cannot be updated. OCCT sucks. Don't use it.
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I disagree. Might not be as updated but it's more than enough to stabilize.
 
Zoson said:
I recently heard that IBT could be updated with the latest libraries. If that's true, it's the same as LinX. But people need to update them or they arn't doing anything anyway. It's the same story with LinX..
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I'm pretty sure the newest version of IBT includes the newer libraries - might not be the newest, but they have been updated (they were newer than the version of IBT I had, for instance).
 
Can you guys PLEASE Stop AVX/LinX/Prime AVX testing these chips and start GAMING with them?

Try 4.8 ghz-5 ghz, 1.3-1.35v in BF3, Batman, D3, or any semi recent game, and see how she holds up. Bet you the temps will be much lower. Unless you're a folder, there's just zero benefit to trying to put these cpus through 95C temps just to see how stable you are.
 
Falkentyne said:
Can you guys PLEASE Stop AVX/LinX/Prime AVX testing these chips and start GAMING with them?

Try 4.8 ghz-5 ghz, 1.3-1.35v in BF3, Batman, D3, or any semi recent game, and see how she holds up. Bet you the temps will be much lower. Unless you're a folder, there's just zero benefit to trying to put these cpus through 95C temps just to see how stable you are.
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Not everyone solely games.
 
Folder here, I'm glad to have burn tests like this... Won't comment on the which program to use debate, I'm sure MissJ84 appreciates me giving up on that trying to OC my 2600k a few days ago.
 
wings2004 said:
Folder here, I'm glad to have burn tests like this... Won't comment on the which program to use debate, I'm sure MissJ84 appreciates me giving up on that trying to OC my 2600k a few days ago.
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lol wut? I remember you attempting to lower your voltage by doing things manually, but why would I appreciate you giving up? I don't mind :)
 
Need to revamp my loop and see what I can get out of this 3770k today. Hoping to fare a little better with temps @4.5.
Stock the 3770k idles at 34* and hits as high as 67* (ambient temp at 24*) under load with current loop.
It's been awhile since I have had a system that had temps that high. I know they are safe, but I got so used to my other systems barely seeing 45* under stress.
 
try running intel burn with stress level at maximum. that will really tell you if that 4.5 ghz is really stable
 
SonDa5 said:
ok.

MB MSI Z68A-GD65 G3


cooling Swiftech Apogee HD with 1x120 + 1x360 nm hwlabs stealth gt radiators. Pull 4 triebwork 123 fans. TIM ic diamond.
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Hmm interesting. What else is in your loop?

I have a Swiftech Apogee GTX and 3x120mm rads, but I'm also cooling a video card and a chipset on my current setup (for a Core2Duo E8400 hahaha). Wondering if I'll need to upgrade my cooling for Ivy Bridge.
 
RabidRat said:
Hmm interesting. What else is in your loop?

I have a Swiftech Apogee GTX and 3x120mm rads, but I'm also cooling a video card and a chipset on my current setup (for a Core2Duo E8400 hahaha). Wondering if I'll need to upgrade my cooling for Ivy Bridge.
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Same loop has GTX 560 ti 448.


Ambient water cooling is very limited in the amount of heat that is able to transfer from IB cpu because of the very small die area of IB chip. Not enough surface area to quickly transfer heat.


Water cooling works well for IB but not much better than high end air cooling.

Sub ambient cooling is needed to push IB to its OC potential.
 
^ thanks. So I guess I can leave my setup as is.

I wonder if anyone's experimented with additional cooling on the back of the motherboard underneith the socket. Could help just a little bit more with sinking that heat.
 
Zoson said:
Why test with an inferior solution, when there are others just as easy to use, and allow you to update the libraries?

I've never been a fan of OCCT. Mainly because it's ugly as hell.

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For those of you having trouble locating the updated files:
http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/intel-math-kernel-library-linpack-download/
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I don't understand the exact process to update the IBT library.

What is "the install folder"? The folder that contains linpack64.exe? Or the one that contains IntelBurnTestV2.exe?

Drop "the files"? Which ones? All 8 of them? Am I supposed to run one of these .exe or .bat files before putting them in the IBT "install folder"?
 
Russ said:
I don't understand the exact process to update the IBT library.

What is "the install folder"? The folder that contains linpack64.exe? Or the one that contains IntelBurnTestV2.exe?

Drop "the files"? Which ones? All 8 of them? Am I supposed to run one of these .exe or .bat files before putting them in the IBT "install folder"?
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The linpack_xeon64.exe and linpack_xeon32.exe from the Intel download go in the LinData folder (32 in the 32 folder, 64 in the 64 folder). For IBT you need to rename the files to make them linpack64.exe and linpack32.exe (take the xeon out). However, the newest version of IBT has updated linpack libraries, so I don't know that updating those is strictly necessary.
 
Lowered PLL to 1.6 and lowered my ram voltage/speed and the temps are just a little cooler even at maximum IBT test.
Ram at 1.48v 7-9-8-21- CR 1T 1600mhz

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2361301

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Very nice spot for IB.
 
Now I know what to expect from mine then today. Half tempted to add some ice to the equation ;)
 
Forceman said:
The linpack_xeon64.exe and linpack_xeon32.exe from the Intel download go in the LinData folder (32 in the 32 folder, 64 in the 64 folder). For IBT you need to rename the files to make them linpack64.exe and linpack32.exe (take the xeon out). However, the newest version of IBT has updated linpack libraries, so I don't know that updating those is strictly necessary.
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The newest version of IBT does *NOT* have the *latest* binaries. That is IMPORTANT, especially to people with the newest CPU's. The older versions, even ONE release back, does not correctly stress these cpus.

SonDa5 said:
Lowered PLL to 1.6 and lowered my ram voltage/speed and the temps are just a little cooler even at maximum IBT test.
Ram at 1.48v 7-9-8-21- CR 1T 1600mhz

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2361301

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Very nice spot for IB.
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As I mentioned... 114gflops is very low for that clockspeed. You need to update your binaries.
 
Zoson said:
The newest version of IBT does *NOT* have the *latest* binaries. That is IMPORTANT, especially to people with the newest CPU's. The older versions, even ONE release back, does not correctly stress these cpus.



As I mentioned... 114gflops is very low for that clockspeed. You need to update your binaries.
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Still not sure how to do that. As is IBT still gets my cpu cores about 10C hotter than Prime95.
 
SonDa5 said:
Still not sure how to do that. As is IBT still gets my cpu cores about 10C hotter than Prime95.
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First, find your IBT folder.
Select it with left mouse.
Press your shift key and hit delete.
Say yes when your computer asks you if you're sure you want to delete it.

Next, go to:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?239175-Intel-4.5GHz-amp-5GHz-LinX-Stable-Club
Download the linx package there.

Go to the link I presented you earlier:
http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/intel-math-kernel-library-linpack-download/
Download the Windows package.

Unzip Linx to a folder.
Unzip the linpack download to the same folder.
Overwrite linpack_xeon32.exe and linpack_xeon64.exe
Start -> MSCONFIG -> diagnostic mode -> OK -> REBOOT.
Start Linx.
Set your memory to 'all'
Change loops to 20 or more.
Press start.
After testing, Start -> MSCONFIG -> normal mode -> OK -> REBOOT

The above procedure is, what I believe, to be the only method that actually fully stresses modern CPU's. Without following the exact steps, especially diagnostic mode. You NEVER fully test all of your memory without diagnostic mode. period. This is your main issue Sonda. You're not even testing 3GB memory and you have 8GB memory...
 
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Zoson thanks. Got it all set up right. Running 20 passes right now. Will post back results ASAP.

My ambient temps right now are hotter than the last run.

Current Ambient temps for test are a little over 26C.
 
Im getting around the same Gflops with the updated Linx and Intel libraries...
 
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SonDa5 said:
Fresh LinX results with ambient temps 26C.

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2361977
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This is with the latest version of LinX and with the newest Intel linpack binary updated.
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I just realized what the deal is... I thought you had an i7... 4c/4t 116 looks good... I thought you were 4c/8t, my bad!
Nice result! Looks like you got some more performance out of the latest binaries and diagnostic mode!
 
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