GeForce GTX 690 - Perfection Inside and Out @ [H]

So when did "thousands" have anything to do with availability? Tell me what a Halo card is then?

NV might have a good time controlling its branding, with theese marketing stunts defining what availability is, selling cards in very low numbers, but they need to produce them in serious numbers, and they need something like 660 for the 200usd segment. They need some 180mm2 to rule the 7870.
 
Trackr said:
Do you guys have a bad memory?

GTX 280 - 600$
GTX 295 - 500$
Difference: -18%

GTX 580 - 500$
GTX 590 - 700$
Difference: 40%

GTX 680 - 500$
GTX 690 - 1000$
Difference: 100%
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BTW, GTX 590 is actually more like 2x GTX 570. So, it's 100% price increase.
 
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ArdWar said:
BTW, GTX 590 is actually more like 2x GTX 570. So, it's 100% price increase.
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This is true.

590 = 2x570 basically. 100% markup.

what im failing to understand, is how people expected it to be cheaper then buying 2x680's right now.

They are in such short supply. It would be stupid of them to make the 690 cheaper with the exact same GPU's they sell on the 680 gtx's.
 
krumme said:
So when did "thousands" have anything to do with availability? Tell me what a Halo card is then?

NV might have a good time controlling its branding, with theese marketing stunts defining what availability is, selling cards in very low numbers, but they need to produce them in serious numbers, and they need something like 660 for the 200usd segment. They need some 180mm2 to rule the 7870.
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GK106 mostly won't be able to take on HD 7870. It looks like Nvidia has a GK104 salvage part with 3 GPC (1152 shaders), 1 Ghz clock, 192 bit mem( 6 Ghz speed), 1.5 GB card for that purpose.

http://www.obr-hardware.com/2012/04/geforce-gtx-670660-ti-specs.html
 
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Trackr said:
Do you guys have a bad memory?

GTX 280 - 600$
GTX 295 - 500$
Difference: -18%

GTX 580 - 500$
GTX 590 - 700$
Difference: 40%

GTX 680 - 500$
GTX 690 - 1000$
Difference: 100%
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I will also add to this, the Reason the 295 was cheaper, was because Nvidia had to lower prices of the 260 and 280 gtx basically right away because of the 4870, and how cheap it was priced. Then Nvidia released the 275 gtx and 285 gtx to combat the 4890.

Nvidia lowered the prices so quickly, it was giving refunds to people who had paid the $500 tag on the 280 gtx.

Edit: Also like to add, that the 295 gtx, had 275x2 cores, and not the 280 gtx. so let me fix your graph for you.

GTX 275 - 250$
GTX 295 - 500$
Difference: 100%

GTX 570 - 350$
GTX 590 - 700$
Difference: 100%

GTX 680 - 500$
GTX 690 - 1000$
 
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This is an interesting solution to the SFF PCIe bandwidth problem:

1. You can now fit a 680 SLI system in to an mITX case.

2. I've wanted to downsize my system without losing capability, but if I took my 2600k to an mATX board, I would be running x8 slots which could hurt performance. With a 690, I don't have to cut my PCIe lanes in half for 2 GPUs.

3. This allows you to max out a Rampage IV Gene with 4 GPUs all being fed by x16 PCIe 3.0

4. It would allow me to run quad GK104s on my current system using 2 x16 slots and not 4 x8 slots.

This assumes the two cards actually share the PCIe bus as opposed to splitting it or using some kind of contention based usage scheme.


I just need to find an ITX case with a window to let me look at it...
 
So before the price was officially announced I was considering maybe purchasing one of these gtx 690s if they were in the $700 range, however with that $999 price tag I'm going to pass on it. I'd rather have two seperate 680s for that price instead of the 690. I'm interested in seeing what the release of the AMD 7990 does to the 690 pricing if it can compete well with nvidia's offering.
 
UMtech84 said:
So before the price was officially announced I was considering maybe purchasing one of these gtx 690s if they were in the $700 range, however with that $999 price tag I'm going to pass on it. I'd rather have two seperate 680s for that price instead of the 690. I'm interested in seeing what the release of the AMD 7990 does to the 690 pricing if it can compete well with nvidia's offering.
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Well if they do the 100% markup,. it would be $950-$960 range.

But AMD cannot even get there 7970 crossfire drivers figured out....Crossfire on 1 card would be even worse IMO.
 
DoubleTap said:
2. I've wanted to downsize my system without losing capability, but if I took my 2600k to an mATX board, I would be running x8 slots which could hurt performance. With a 690, I don't have to cut my PCIe lanes in half for 2 GPUs.

4. It would allow me to run quad GK104s on my current system using 2 x16 slots and not 4 x8 slots.
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This is very different from my understanding. I thought dual GPU cards were linked using SLI (or CrossFire) meaning those two GK104 Kepler GPUs are linked through PCI-E lanes of our system.

If you have Sandy Bridge 2600K (which supports PCI-E 2.0), a single GTX690 card will occupy x8 PCI-E lanes per GPU (in total x16 since it's dual GPU card).
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
 
boxleitnerb said:
:eek::eek::eek:

Finally they are putting real effort into solving that problem. If this really works, the 7990 is useless.
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This is not new. It's been around for as long as SLI has contrary to what that says. Nvidia even mentioned it in a tech article and interview done with Tech Report. My guess is that they're now productizing it formally.
 
So when you say 4GB VRAM, do you mean 4GB actually usable? Or is it the same situation with SLI, where it's 2 + 2 and each card has to load a copy of the buffer, so you can really actually use 2 GB anyway?
 
kuyaglen said:
Considering the different memory bus, I look forward to seeing how this compares to SLI 680's.
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It's not. Its the same memory bus. But now instead of calling it 2x256bit as they sometimes have in the past, they're calling it 512bit.
 
killazys said:
So when you say 4GB VRAM, do you mean 4GB actually usable? Or is it the same situation with SLI, where it's 2 + 2 and each card has to load a copy of the buffer, so you can really actually use 2 GB anyway?
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Same as SLI. Each gpu has some replicated resources and some unique resources. Most meshes are static frame to frame in memory and are transformed (moved around or altered) in the rendering process, so they'd likely be identical in memory in both 2GB memory banks. Textures and shaders would also most likely be identical in memory. However buffers and render targets will have to have unique contents since each gpu is working on a different, unique frame.
 
DASHlT said:
This is true.

590 = 2x570 basically. 100% markup.

what im failing to understand, is how people expected it to be cheaper then buying 2x680's right now.
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TBH I expected it to be cheaper, only because the GK104 GPU is a cheap gpu for nvidia to manufacture. I'ts small, efficient. GTX 680 has a high markup for the nvidia camp. I think they could have sold that card around mid range prices $249.99 with a cheaper cooler and lower clocks but opted to crank it up to take out the 7970. I honestly expected the card to hit for $799.99 because nvidia could probably afford to do that and still make a killing on these cards. With this deluxe cooler and the design involved maybe $849.99 but $999.99 is a bit steep for a dual chip GK104 GPU IMHO.

I will add that if the light bulb went off over nvidia's head and they enabled Tri Sli using one of these (690s) and 1 GTX 680 much like how AMD does with their card's then I'll buy one of these for $999.99 since my mobo only offers 2 slots for vga upgrade. However if not I'll simply by a second GTX 680. BTW, time to update my sig, I got a GTX 680 in my rig now. 6950s are gone.

Caliche said:
Will the 690 be able to fully run MAXED out CRYSIS??????????????
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Q: But can it play Crysis!!

A: Yes I'd imagine on a single screen 2560x1600 it should be able to max crysis at 16x TRSSAA and 32x Anisotropic filtering and max settings and still be ~ 60 fps. and the rare times it dips below 60 may still feel playable. So yes, finally a card that can max Crysis.
 
First review I see>
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No card is worth a grand and i can almost guarentee you that you will not get the same performance from this as you would 2 gtx 680's in SLI
 
I am impressed with the 6 series. When Nvidia went off on its crazy little ARM venture I thought it would slowly degrade it's GPU lineup but so far the 6 series has proven to show significant improvements and Nvidia hasn't lost focus on its core products. Now all I need is low power monitors that don't make me feel like I am sitting in front of a space heater.
 
The only way that I would ever be interested in this is if I could sli one of these with a GTX680 for some tri-sli like amd allows. Even then I would wait for a price drop.
 
Lord_Exodia said:
TBH I expected it to be cheaper, only because the GK104 GPU is a cheap gpu for nvidia to manufacture. I'ts small, efficient. GTX 680 has a high markup for the nvidia camp. I think they could have sold that card around mid range prices $249.99 with a cheaper cooler and lower clocks but opted to crank it up to take out the 7970. I honestly expected the card to hit for $799.99 because nvidia could probably afford to do that and still make a killing on these cards. With this deluxe cooler and the design involved maybe $849.99 but $999.99 is a bit steep for a dual chip GK104 GPU IMHO.

I will add that if the light bulb went off over nvidia's head and they enabled Tri Sli using one of these (690s) and 1 GTX 680 much like how AMD does with their card's then I'll buy one of these for $999.99 since my mobo only offers 2 slots for vga upgrade. However if not I'll simply by a second GTX 680. BTW, time to update my sig, I got a GTX 680 in my rig now. 6950s are gone.



Q: But can it play Crysis!!

A: Yes I'd imagine on a single screen 2560x1600 it should be able to max crysis at 16x TRSSAA and 32x Anisotropic filtering and max settings and still be ~ 60 fps. and the rare times it dips below 60 may still feel playable. So yes, finally a card that can max Crysis.
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Not sure how you could of thought it would of been cheaper. 295 and 590 gtx, were double the price of the single GPU cards they produced. Why would ya think it would be cheaper this time around?

GTX 275 - 250$
GTX 295 - 500$
Difference: 100%

GTX 570 - 350$
GTX 590 - 700$
Difference: 100%

GTX 680 - 500$
GTX 690 - 1000$
 
BlueStorm said:
Same as SLI. Each gpu has some replicated resources and some unique resources. Most meshes are static frame to frame in memory and are transformed (moved around or altered) in the rendering process, so they'd likely be identical in memory in both 2GB memory banks. Textures and shaders would also most likely be identical in memory. However buffers and render targets will have to have unique contents since each gpu is working on a different, unique frame.
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Sorry I am a little confused. Would this be just as good as a single core card of the same power but with 4gb on it?
 
DASHlT said:
Not sure how you could of thought it would of been cheaper. 295 and 590 gtx, were double the price of the single GPU cards they produced. Why would ya think it would be cheaper this time around?

GTX 275 - 250$
GTX 295 - 500$
Difference: 100%

GTX 570 - 350$
GTX 590 - 700$
Difference: 100%

GTX 680 - 500$
GTX 690 - 1000$
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I'm not basing it off of what they sold their old cards for, I'm basing it off of pure GPU manufacture cost vs profit to be made. On the GK104 GPU that profit is much higher than any of those cards you listed there because instead of being this huge beheamoth of a GPU like GF110, nvidis's current flagship gpu the GK104 is much smaller, cooler, and power efficient than any flagship gpu in the companies history so since the gpu is making them huge profits at $499.99 for each GTX 680, I would think throwing in a second would not require 2x the price.

If you think about it that way you can see how I thought it would be cheaper. Now the cooler and design was unexpected on the GTX 690. That makes me think it's worth maybe $100 more than I was expecting but $1000 is a bit much for a card that probably is costing nvidia somewhere around $550 to make.
 
Lord_Exodia said:
I'm not basing it off of what they sold their old cards for, I'm basing it off of pure GPU manufacture cost vs profit to be made. On the GK104 GPU that profit is much higher than any of those cards you listed there because instead of being this huge beheamoth of a GPU like GF110, nvidis's current flagship gpu the GK104 is much smaller, cooler, and power efficient than any flagship gpu in the companies history so since the gpu is making them huge profits at $499.99 for each GTX 680, I would think throwing in a second would not require 2x the price.

If you think about it that way you can see how I thought it would be cheaper. Now the cooler and design was unexpected on the GTX 690. That makes me think it's worth maybe $100 more than I was expecting but $1000 is a bit much for a card that probably is costing nvidia somewhere around $550 to make.
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Totally understandable. But Nvidia's history with the last 2 generation of SLI on a card showed otherwise.

I honestly expected $1000 or more.
 
DASHlT said:
Not sure how you could of thought it would of been cheaper. 295 and 590 gtx, were double the price of the single GPU cards they produced. Why would ya think it would be cheaper this time around?

GTX 275 - 250$
GTX 295 - 500$
Difference: 100%

GTX 570 - 350$
GTX 590 - 700$
Difference: 100%

GTX 680 - 500$
GTX 690 - 1000$
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Only a matter of time before that trend has to come to an end
 
Banenwn said:
No card is worth a grand and i can almost guarentee you that you will not get the same performance from this as you would 2 gtx 680's in SLI
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Weren't a pair of 7970's over $1000 at launch? This card will not only beat that but do it on one card with less heat/noise/power usage/etc.

I wonder if the 7970's are too hot and power hungry for a dual chip card.
 
PRIME1 said:
Weren't a pair of 7970's over $1000 at launch? This card will not only beat that but do it on one card with less heat/noise/power usage/etc.

I wonder if the 7970's are too hot and power hungry for a dual chip card.
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Seriously Prime1? The 7970 uses less power then the 6970....and the 6990 was 2 6970's on 1 card.

Use your head a lil bit better there Prime1.....
 
DASHlT said:
Seriously Prime1? The 7970 uses less power then the 6970....and the 6990 was 2 6970's on 1 card.

Use your head a lil bit better there Prime1.....
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Relax. The 6990 was a downclocked 6970 and pushed the power envelope. The 590 was certainly not dual 580 chips. I'm just wondering where the dual card from AMD is. Seems they would have released one already.
 
PRIME1 said:
Relax. The 6990 was a downclocked 6970 and pushed the power envelope. The 590 was certainly not dual 580 chips. I'm just wondering where the dual card from AMD is. Seems they would have released one already.
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So the first post you made, you said you cant see AMD making a dual 7970 card because its too hot (which is a bunch of Bullpoop).

Now your saying you wonder where the card is?

How can you go from saying they wont even make one, to now you wonder where it is?

Please stop while your not even ahead.
 
DASHlT said:
So the first post you made, you said you cant see AMD making a dual 7970 card because its too hot (which is a bunch of Bullpoop).

Now your saying you wonder where the card is?

How can you go from saying they wont even make one, to now you wonder where it is?

Please stop while your not even ahead.
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Again relax. I just meant using a full 7970 chip. I forgot how uh "passionate" you are regarding this.
 
Typo

The GeForce GTX 690 thermal unit cost more than 3X more than NVIDIA has ever spent on thermal system for a retail video card before.
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I've never seen [H] get so excited about a video card ever. this thing has to be awesome.
 
PRIME1 said:
Weren't a pair of 7970's over $1000 at launch? This card will not only beat that but do it on one card with less heat/noise/power usage/etc.

I wonder if the 7970's are too hot and power hungry for a dual chip card.
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Is the 7970 considered a hot and power hungry card?why would u think this?since launch i have never read anything to suggest this.
Probably the 7990 is waiting for the 690 , its time for nvidia to release first a gpu and let amd tune it up to surpass it,its easy when u know exactly agaisnt what u have to compete.
 
Florin22xxl said:
Is the 7970 considered a hot and power hungry card?why would u think this?since launch i have never read anything to suggest this.
Probably the 7990 is waiting for the 690 , its time for nvidia to release first a gpu and let amd tune it up to surpass it,its easy when u know exactly agaisnt what u have to compete.
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He was just trolling is all.

The 7970's use less power then the previous generation.....He knows this....he's just being Prime1
 
Nice, this is actually worth considering over 2 680's, unlike the 590 or 295's.
 
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