Ivy Bridge retail E1 stepping 9 is a bad oc'er

Just wondering how anyone can say that retail chip when they haven't been released? Since retail means that it is a product that is released for retail sale wouldnt that mean anything that is out there before the product is released can not be a retail processor?
 
Ive read Ivy is a bad ocer many places now. Wonder if its all bunk or if this tri-gate stuff is really messing it all up.
 
obr-hardware.com does not have IB ES or retail samples.

Suckers fall for click bait every single time.
 
IntelEnthusiast said:
Just wondering how anyone can say that retail chip when they haven't been released? Since retail means that it is a product that is released for retail sale wouldnt that mean anything that is out there before the product is released can not be a retail processor?
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There's already been quite a few up on various forums, Chris. They all seem to provide much the same info that was leaked months ago in that Ivy is hot and doesn't OC as well as Sandy despite the slight 100mhz stock clock bump.

If you're insinuating these aren't the results we'll be seeing then I'd go on damage control and clarify but as it stands what's been said both there and other forums has been consistent with what we've heard months ago and with what we've seen from these leaked early chips.
 
Well if you wait a couple weeks I am sure that you are going to be able to find out how good or bad they will be. Kyle will have a review up as soon as he can what these processors can and can not do.
 
Even if they don't OC at all they are still better than the BD crap AMD released upon the world.
 
IntelEnthusiast said:
Well if you wait a couple weeks I am sure that you are going to be able to find out how good or bad they will be. Kyle will have a review up as soon as he can what these processors can and can not do.
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Then how can you claim the link the OP provided is wrong? :p It seems pretty spot on to me.
 
Tsumi said:
Kyle did say IB will overclock worse than SB :rolleyes:
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I believe that was from info off Chiphell a couple months ago but not a legitimate "I reviewed it and it doesn't OC very well" statement, though in all likelihood that's exactly what will happen.
 
I'm hoping IB gets about the same clocks as SB (+/- 5%), I'd be happy with that given some IPC improvements, iGPU and lower power usage. People talking nonsense like 5.5-6GHz on air are in for a surprise. If it's significantly worse than SB at overclocking that will for sure be a disappointment. I'm hoping to hit around 4.6GHz on a 3770K with an NH-D14 at reasonable voltage.
 
grambo said:
I'm hoping IB gets about the same clocks as SB (+/- 5%), I'd be happy with that given some IPC improvements, iGPU and lower power usage. People talking nonsense like 5.5-6GHz on air are in for a surprise. If it's significantly worse than SB at overclocking that will for sure be a disappointment. I'm hoping to hit around 4.6GHz on a 3770K with an NH-D14 at reasonable voltage.
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This guy in the link has a couple retails and he compared them to earlier engineering steppings and apparantly says they don't oc. I will believe him over your wishful thinking.
 
There is so much misinformation flying around here and the net it isn't even funny. :D
 
Guess I'll find out for myself in less than 3 weeks!

Got my RAM, HSF a few days ago and a Z77 board today. Just need a i7 3770K, GTX 680 and a Intel 520 240GB SSD. These last three items I'll get on the same day. Hopefully 680 supplies are stronger and easier to find, and maybe, just maybe SSD will drop a few $$.
 
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RamonGTP said:
Guess I'll find out for myself in less than 3 weeks!

Got my RAM, HSF a few days ago and a Z77 board today. Just need a i7 3770, GTX 680 and a Intel 520 240GB SSD. These last three items I'll get on the same day. Hopefully 680 supplies are stronger and easier to find, and maybe, just maybe SSD will drop a few $$.
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the question is, which will be in stock first, the 680 or 3770k :p
 
I'm hoping both. If I find a 680 for MSRP before then I'll just snag it. No reason to wait unil last minute to buy that since there's virtually zero chance of a price drop
 
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Buy a 2500k, 2600k or 2700k,

slap it in a Z68 or Z77 board,

overclock it to 4.5Ghz+

Sit back and ignore Ivy Bridge and everything AMD releases

Put your money into video cards for the next 2 years.
 
It's impressive how people trust these bunch of noobs trolling entire internet trying to tell us with regular representative picture of intel processor with its engraved info blurred, that the IB oc worse. Seems I didn't see any legit review of overclocked IB compared to SB. No graphs, no charts, no photos, no nothing, just saying it sux is enough for you?
 
it could be worse at overclocking but end up having higher scores if the ipc increase was able to compensate it.
 
The only reason I see myself upgrading to IB is if I can put 6 cores in my P67 board. Until then I'll stick with my 2500K until Haswell.
 
firas said:
it could be worse at overclocking but end up having higher scores if the ipc increase was able to compensate it.
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That depends on the clock difference when OC'd. The IPC bump is quite nice but if the Ivy chips are a few hundred mhz under their SB brethren then it won't matter. Even if they clocked the same that small bump in IPC and HD4000 isn't enough for most people with an SB CPU to upgrade unless they're just looking to waste money.

Ehren8879 said:
The only reason I see myself upgrading to IB is if I can put 6 cores in my P67 board. Until then I'll stick with my 2500K until Haswell.
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IB will only go to 4 cores 8 threads on socket 1155 but I'm not sure about Haswell (socket 1150).

The chip has been reviewed but strangely absent are the heat and OC numbers. Actual chips have surfaced and they're in line with the rumors that Ivy is hot and doesn't OC all that well.
 
Seems legit...I'm gonna switch to AMD Bulldozer now..no sense in wasting my time with IB as the internetz wouldn't lie, right? :rolleyes:

PS: I'd take a hot, guzzles power, doesn't OC well IB over a hot, guzzles power, OC'able BD any day...
 
How the hell did this turn in to an anti-AMD thread ?

So ivybridge might be a bad OC chip.. it's AMD, no it's the commies, no it's the flying pigs from space's fault! .. can't be limitations of a new process cos Intel is da best.
 
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Hmm, looks like I might have to just go get a 2500k instead of waiting for IB. I'll wait another week or 2 to see some professional reviews first though.
 
DrRetina said:
How the hell did this turn in to an anti-AMD thread ?
You guys need to check yourself.
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I'm not against AMD, I am using one of their cpu's right now. I am against that BD crap they are forcing on us though. Point was good OC or not IB is still going to be a better chip at stock speeds compared to anything available today from Intel or AMD...
 
I don't think AMD is on anyones radar when it comes to CPU's right now, are they? Hopefully they will be again in the future, but that will never change how well a CPU will overclock, but it might force then to set the stock speed higher to compete.
 
DrRetina said:
I don't think AMD is on anyones radar when it comes to CPU's right now, are they? Hopefully they will be again in the future, but that will never change how well a CPU will overclock, but it might force then to set the stock speed higher to compete.
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See: http://www.techpowerup.com/155989/AMD-Still-Committed-To-x86-But-Not-In-High-End-Desktop.html

From a business standpoint, capturing low and mid markets is a win. A lot of us on this forum go for the high end, and we do not represent where the most money is.

If they take the same approach as they did with the Radeon a few years ago--efficient and cost effective--then they have a real shot at staying competitive. It needs to be better than intel's mid and come in at a cheaper price.
 
fps4ever said:
I'm not against AMD, I am using one of their cpu's right now. I am against that BD crap they are forcing on us though. Point was good OC or not IB is still going to be a better chip at stock speeds compared to anything available today from Intel or AMD...
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Problem is everyone here is going for k versions. It depends on how bad an OC'r it is. But I have heard everything from its low power tuned 3d gating not liking high clocks, to internal video eating up to much power, to the smaller contact area of the smaller die size causing it to run hotter, everything has pointed it to not clocking as well. So the question is, is 4.2 the upper end? 4.5? It will make a big difference on the high end if overclocked it runs 10-15% slower then SB and only 6% better per clock.
 
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There's already been quite a few up on various forums, Chris. They all seem to provide much the same info that was leaked months ago in that Ivy is hot and doesn't OC as well as Sandy despite the slight 100mhz stock clock bump.

If you're insinuating these aren't the results we'll be seeing then I'd go on damage control and clarify but as it stands what's been said both there and other forums has been consistent with what we've heard months ago and with what we've seen from these leaked early chips.
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He's just saying that its not a retail processor, so don't call it retail. Retail is different than an early sample or engineering sample or whatever you want to call it.
 
The problem is supposed to be due to heat. As you OC, it becomes hotter than SB. That may be due to the new trigate technology which may display non-linear thermal properties. While at normal operating frequencies it is cooler but as you ramp-up it is less so.

It just might be the case that the Intel designers focused less on thermals under stress because they felt that given the die-shrink power was going to be even less of an issue.

So to OC IB, you may need a more robust cooling mechanism than the air-coolers which work very well for SB
 
If it is trigate, hopefully the issues are with the design, not the process themselves. It would suck knowing that going forward we will see hotter temperatures beyond stock speeds (hotter than now).
 
DrRetina said:
How the hell did this turn in to an anti-AMD thread ?
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I feel that any thread mentioning cpu's in general since BD was released is a pseud-anti-AMD thread. Not that I really blame people for their disappointment with BD showing up elsewhere, but anyhow...
 
You guys, get over AMD. I loved them so much from my first K6-2, to Duron, Thunderbird, to Athlon XP, to the first dual core 3800, but then Intel opened up a can of whoop ass with C2D and it hasn't been the same ever since.

I'm calling it guys, AMD is done for in the high end enthusiast space. Sad really, but it is what it is. Even their new CEO has acknowledged they cannot compete with Intel and most of their key engineers have gone to Samsung. Google it if you don't believe me.:mad:
 
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