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http://vr-zone.com/articles/nvidia-...pete-against-hd-7950/15440.html#ixzz1rABczAz9

Getting back to NVIDIA - as expected, the GK104 chips which did not "pass the mustard" will be recycled and named GeForce GTX 670 and GTX 670 Ti. According to German publication 3DCenter.org, GK104 will take the GF100 (GeForce GTX 465/470/480) route: GK104 on the new cards will have one SMX less (7 in total), bringing a total of 1344 cores (should we still call them CUDA cores given the amount of GPGPU performance castration performed with Kepler?).

The remainder of the chip will remain the same, and we're looking at the following specs:

1344 Cores
4 Graphics Processing Clusters (GPC)
7 SMX Clusters (192 units per Cluster)
112 Texture Units (TU)
32 Raster Units (ROP)
256-bit Memory Controller
2 GB GDDR5 Memory
~900 MHz GPU Clock
~1 GHz QDR Memory Clock (5 effective GHz)
~160 GB/s video memory bandwidth
As you can see, theoretical performance of the card targets the previous generation GeForce GTX 580 and direct competitor AMD Radeon HD 7950 3GB. Coupled with NVIDIA wanting to increase the price pressure to the red team. the new cards undercut the Radeon HD 7950 by $50-100, pitching the product around $349-399.



Read more: http://vr-zone.com/articles/nvidia-...pete-against-hd-7950/15440.html#ixzz1rAg6ETwE
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Nice to see Nvidia may not be gimping the memory on the cut down cards like they normally do.
 
So if it has 7 instead of 8, then it will be 12.5% slower than the GTX 680 at the same clock speed. If the rumor is true that it will be ~$400, then that is 12.5% less performance at 20% less price. Not bad. I'd buy one.
 
Yep. Makes it all the more confusing as to why AMD hasn't lowered prices yet.

I understand it costs more to manufacture the 7970/7950 (due to VRAM, components), however, they should probably release 1.5GB SKUs! Honestly, the vast majority of users don't game at 2560 resolution or do eyefinity. 1.5gb cards at a more price competetive point would make sense - but AMD rarely make decisions that make sense :cool:
 
So if the GTX 670 is meant to compete with the GTX 580, it would be around 10-15% faster than the GTX 570 that it replaces, while being the same price OR $50 more?

Just like the way the 570 basically replaced the 480.

I'm still failing to get excited about the 6xx series and Kepler. A new architecture should not provide performance gains similar to the 4xx to 5xx Fermi respin of the same architecture.

Why not just buy a GTX580 and have usable GPGPU performance?

As a GTX 460 owner who has been holding out for something decent in the $300-350 range, this generation is just garbage.
 
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Finally some more rumors. They help somewhat with waiting, i'll probably be picking up a 670 ti if they do well in reviews. If it performs better than a 7950 at $350, then that would be great.
 
Nobi125 said:
So if the GTX 670 is meant to compete with the GTX 580, it would be around 10-15% faster than the GTX 570 that it replaces, while being the same price OR $50 more?

Just like the way the 570 basically replaced the 480.

I'm still failing to get excited about the 6xx series and Kepler. A new architecture should not provide performance gains similar to the 4xx to 5xx Fermi respin of the same architecture.

Why not just buy a GTX580 and have usable GPGPU performance?

As a GTX 460 owner who has been holding out for something decent in the $300-350 range, this generation is just garbage.
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Replace, rather than compete. It's probably a faster 580 with a similar price, more overclocking potential, and better power consumption. It would be much better if it was priced at 570 levels but still.

Keep in mind that GK104 is a midrange card positioned as high end. It was supposed to replace the 560ti (or 570 depending on who you ask) and as such is a huge performance leap.
 
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If this card can either be flashed to GTX680 or overclock past GTX680 performance I might buy one if the price is right.
 
Stoly said:
Replace, rather than compete. It's probably a faster 580 with a similar price, more overclocking potential, and better power consumption. It would be much better if it was priced at 570 levels but still.

Keep in mind that GK104 is a midrange card positioned as high end. It was supposed to replace the 560ti (or 570 depending on who you ask) and as such is a huge performance leap.
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Yeah I am aware that the GK104 GPUs may not have been intended to be flagship and that's certainly part of the problem.
 
Not bad for the price, but geez when did graphics cards start becoming so freaking expensive? I guess the 660Ti will be the proper mark for what the avg joe would buy. Still a good deal compared to the 680 though.
 
cool anything to put downward pressure on amd rape pricing this round is a good thing. I've been waiting for 7870 to be <$300 my absolute limit in video cards. I am also interested in regular 670 to see how it competes with 7870 price and performance wise.
 
Cider said:
Hope its true. I want a 7870 for 300$.
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So does everyone. AMD is retarded not releasing it there which is why they are not selling. most ppl buy in the 200-300 range and nothing is worth it. 7850 is not even an upgrade from 6950 which was cheaper. 7870 is high end pricing for GTX 570 performance which costs $270.
 
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Fermi inventory needs to deplete and kepler availability needs to increase. Midrange definitely needs some more pressure from nvidia to force amd price drops.

I wonder how well the 7850/7870's are actually selling, doesn't seem that well. High prices hurt company image as it can be seen as price gouging but perhaps the price was right for amd and their supply and demand.

Either way, I'm not happy with current amd prices.
 
ZoNe said:
cool anything to put downward pressure on amd rape pricing this round is a good thing. I've been waiting for 7870 to be <$300 my absolute limit in video cards. I am also interested in regular 670 to see how it competes with 7870 price and performance wise.
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My limit is $300 as well.
 
Marcdaddy said:
My limit was $1800
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You are obviously a high end card customer and AMD/NVIDIA has cards for you.


It's the mid range card buyers that AMD is screwing over and if current pricing trends remain NVIDIA will do the same.
 
this is interesting

but it BETTER be faster than a GTX 580...and priced reasonably....I'm talking $350 or below...and hopefully MSI can come out with a TF3 OC/PE at that price right from the get go...then thats a major winner

$350, 2gb VRAM...OC/PE TF3 edition and an overclocking beast from the kepler architecture = win
 
Nobi125 said:
As a GTX 460 owner who has been holding out for something decent in the $300-350 range, this generation is just garbage.
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lol - as a GTX 460 owner who has been holding out for something decent in the $300-350 this is pretty darn close to what I want. GTX 580 performance with power consumption most likely less than my GTX 460. Even if its another 25-50 dollars more than I wanted to spend it will still be good. I couldn't care less about HD 7870 pricing either - wouldn't buy AMD.
 
Jeffredo said:
lol - as a GTX 460 owner who has been holding out for something decent in the $300-350 this is pretty darn close to what I want. GTX 580 performance with power consumption most likely less than my GTX 460. Even if its another 25-50 dollars more than I wanted to spend it will still be good. I couldn't care less about HD 7870 pricing either - wouldn't buy AMD.
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After the X1800XT, I probably won't be buying AMD again either. The drivers were a disaster.
 
dukenuke88 said:
this is interesting

but it BETTER be faster than a GTX 580...and priced reasonably....I'm talking $350 or below...and hopefully MSI can come out with a TF3 OC/PE at that price right from the get go...then thats a major winner

$350, 2gb VRAM...OC/PE TF3 edition and an overclocking beast from the kepler architecture = win
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I think I'd be ok paying even $399 on release for a TF3 OC version. 7870/7850 are comically bad value propositions at this point, and I agree it hurts AMD's image.
 
Luishi5k0 said:
So if it has 7 instead of 8, then it will be 12.5% slower than the GTX 680 at the same clock speed. If the rumor is true that it will be ~$400, then that is 12.5% less performance at 20% less price. Not bad. I'd buy one.
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what about the 10% decrease in clock speed? 22.5% slower (12.5% less cuda cores + 10% slower clock speed)?
 
SonDa5 said:
If this card can either be flashed to GTX680 or overclock past GTX680 performance I might buy one if the price is right.
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Good luck with that. nV laser cuts these die since forever so you can't just flash a 680 bios over the top like 6950 to 6970. And with all these BS limiters they placed on GTX680 you can bet they'll be more restrictive on lower end cards. You think they like when we can buy 448s and clock them way past GTX 580 performance lvls?? That's $200 out of their pocket and I bet thats whole reason limiters were introduced on 6 series in the first place. They will control your overclock, not you. (without heavy duty soldering)
 
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ZoNe said:
I know they are free like intels intergrated is number 1 but I'm talking gamers

take a look
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

Most popular ones are in $200-$300 range at the time they were sold.

e.g. GTX 560(ti) is number 1
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Maybe I'm reading it wrong but it looks like the most popular are all sub $200 videocards. The top spot says 560 not 560Ti.


You have to drop all the way down to position 13 to see a true $200+ videocard, the GTX 570
 
ZoNe said:
You think they like when we can buy 448s and clock them way past GTX 580 performance lvls?? That's $200 out of their pocket and I bet thats whole reason limiters were introduced on 6 series in the first place. They will control your overclock, not you. (without heavy duty soldering)
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The newest 3XX beta drivers seems like deliberate bottleneck for GTX 560 ti 448. Terrible for any futuremark benchmark I have tried.

I'm getting paranoid about what drivers I try out now. I don't want my GTX 560 ti 448 to get a gimp virus.
 
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needmorecarnitine said:
Maybe I'm reading it wrong but it looks like the most popular are all sub $200 videocards. The top spot says 560 not 560Ti.


You have to drop all the way down to position 13 to see a true $200+ videocard, the GTX 570
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He said $200-300 cards and was talking about price upon release. To me, the most reasonable analysis would be to take the card's average price from release to today and use that since not everyone bought the card upon release. Anyway, the end point is that the top of the line cards are in a minority compared to cheaper solutions in the $100-300 band.
 
SonDa5 said:
The newest 3XX beta drivers seems like deliberate bottleneck for GTX 560 ti 448. Terrible for any futuremark benchmark I have tried.

I'm getting paranoid about what drivers I try out now. I don't want my GTX 560 ti 448 to get a gimp virus.
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You have every right to be paranoid. Many ppl thought nV's self overclocking with limiters was about "cheating" AMD's 7970 I saw it for what what it was. They will control OCs of all their cards from now on and 670s and certainly 660s will never OC like 680s forcing you into a 680 if you want that level of performance.

How bad is it btw? I only use WHQL so...
 
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