Battlefield 3 Update Includes Paid "Shortcuts"

I don't see an issue with this, it gets them more money, and doesn't effect the game at all, since its stuff you can earn anyway. Not worth bitching about.

Mass Effect 3 has the bitching you could ever want covered for the next few months at least
 
It gives no advantage to paying customers so Im okay with that. Fuck FPS games with unlocks though. If I wanted to grind I would play an MMO.
 
Dan_D said:
If you don't play BF3, then all the equipment in the game won't make you as good as someone with lesser gear who plays the game a lot. (Though that person should have as much or more gear anyway.)
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This and /thread.
 
fallguy said:
It's pretty obvious the answer is a person will be better, because they can be more useful with all unlocks. The person's skill wont be any better, but the simple fact that he has better weapons/gear will give him better results. Saying anything different is just silly.
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It's a relatively insignificant change. That guy who just kicked your ass with a maxed-out soldier will still kick your ass if he has to play with zero unlocks. Saying anything different is just silly.
 
If better weapons and equipment didn't help to make you better, than everyone would just stay with stock gear. Saying better weapons and gear doesn't help you to be better is idiotic. Simple as that.
 
fallguy said:
If better weapons and equipment didn't help to make you better, than everyone would just stay with stock gear. Saying better weapons and gear doesn't help you to be better is idiotic. Simple as that.
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they don't make you better, they just give you a better chance on surviving a little longer then you would of without them. give some one the best weapon in the game and all the added gear and a skilled player will still own them with a starter pistol. this was the same argument with the BFBC2 unlocks. the guns don't make you better. they all pretty much have the same amount of DPS. the only difference is how they do it. some fire faster but do less damage, some fire slower but do more damage per hit, some do more damage but have more bullet spread. some fire fast and accurately but do almost no damage per hit..
 
Spewn said:
It's a relatively insignificant change. That guy who just kicked your ass with a maxed-out soldier will still kick your ass if he has to play with zero unlocks. Saying anything different is just silly.
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Of course if someone is dominating you they'll continue to dominate you regardless. However when you're struggling to get a few kills in a match, getting maybe a couple of hits on opponents but not killing them... those upgrades make a noticable difference. Saying anything different is just naive.

When you're new and unskilled, that's when the upgrades make the biggest difference of all, as you need things like heavy barrel, scopes and grips to overcome lack of ability to aim, lack of map knowledge and relying on getting a few lucky hits in before you get dominated. Even when you have a bit of skill it makes a difference to have the kits you know and love on hand, I know when I'm playing against my similarly skilled mates I make sure I have the kits I'm most comfortable with to give me a bit of an edge instead of going out on a limb with weapons I don't use as often. But I think the difference is far larger when you're new and unskilled at a game.
 
sirmonkey1985 said:
they don't make you better, they just give you a better chance on surviving a little longer then you would of without them. give some one the best weapon in the game and all the added gear and a skilled player will still own them with a starter pistol. this was the same argument with the BFBC2 unlocks. the guns don't make you better. they all pretty much have the same amount of DPS. the only difference is how they do it. some fire faster but do less damage, some fire slower but do more damage per hit, some do more damage but have more bullet spread. some fire fast and accurately but do almost no damage per hit..
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I think the definition of "make you better" is getting confused here. If you define "make you better" as getting more kills and less deaths in a round, then yes, unlocks help, of course they do.

If you're defining "make you better" as skill, then of course not, they don't magically make you learn the maps, shoot faster and aim more accurately... however they will help you get more kills when time after time you die after wiping off most the health of the other guy.

The guns and unlocks which are good for noobs to get some "cheap kills" aren't usually the ones you start with. If they were, it wouldn't be a problem.
 
ask yourselves this: does having a better car make you a better DRIVER?

Hell no it doesn't.


Maybe the weapons packs would be great for some business guy who doesn't have 200 hours to blow in the game, and who happens to have money falling out of his pockets all the time. More than likely though this will be something all the whiney 12 year olds buy with their moms' credit card. Either way who cares - I have 99% of the unlocks all on my own, if someone wants to blow their money so be it.
 
Unlocks for guns... whatever they're all similar but for vehicles it's a massive difference. Every tried using the scout chopper with nothing? Go against one that can use laser painter on you? If anything they should've just patched it in so everyone can choose to unlock everything, not pay for the privilege to do it!
 
These shouldn't matter anyways. Valve does the same thing in TF2 yet nobody turned imba out of a sudden from buying all the weapon unlocks for all classes as opposed to gaining them from lots of play time.
 
yimingwuzere said:
These shouldn't matter anyways. Valve does the same thing in TF2 yet nobody turned imba out of a sudden from buying all the weapon unlocks for all classes as opposed to gaining them from lots of play time.
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NONO IT'S DIFFERENT BECAUSE VALVE AND MNNNGGGHHH BLLPPPTTHHPPP
 
Spewn said:
It's a relatively insignificant change. That guy who just kicked your ass with a maxed-out soldier will still kick your ass if he has to play with zero unlocks. Saying anything different is just silly.
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You're automatically assuming one guy is significantly more skilled than the other. This entire issue isn't about skill... at all.

A player can master the game with basic weapons, sure. It's not too hard to imagine considering all FPSs have the same basic mechanics. So that effectively takes skill out of the equation.

However, take two people... or even better, imagine you going up against a clone of yourself that has every weapon in the armory, while you on the other hand, are still using the starting gun. What do you think your odds are?



This is along the same lines as the Tactical arguments. "Who cares! I'll just run over and blow that squad away!" Right... you against... four unknowns... and automatically expect to win. That's the height of arrogance.

Whenever i evaluate someone, i always consider them to be as good, or better than i am, before doing any tactical consideration. I do not send one of my men against ten defenders and expect him to win singlehandedly, because if i was the commander on the other team, i'd have my own men dug in to counter an entire squad, much less one guy.



collegeboy69us said:
ask yourselves this: does having a better car make you a better DRIVER?

Hell no it doesn't.
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Nope, but it does give you better odds of winning a quarter mile race. Just as noted above, you're automatically assuming that you're better than the other guy. When in fact, the proper way to initially gauge someones skill is 50-50 and work from there. And on an even playing field skill wise, the guy with the better gun, will win, each time.

That comment is like you not being able to tell the difference between a toyota pickup and a GTR.
 
Sly said:
You're automatically assuming one guy is significantly more skilled than the other. This entire issue isn't about skill... at all.
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The point is simply that any difference will be small, and it isn't worth how upset some people are getting over this. You're not going to start losing tomorrow because people can buy these unlocks.
 
collegeboy69us said:
ask yourselves this: does having a better car make you a better DRIVER?

Hell no it doesn't.


Maybe the weapons packs would be great for some business guy who doesn't have 200 hours to blow in the game, and who happens to have money falling out of his pockets all the time. More than likely though this will be something all the whiney 12 year olds buy with their moms' credit card. Either way who cares - I have 99% of the unlocks all on my own, if someone wants to blow their money so be it.
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The one thing every thread on these forums needs... CAR ANALOGIES.
 
collegeboy69us said:
ask yourselves this: does having a better car make you a better DRIVER?

Hell no it doesn't.
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I'd say it's more like, "Does a better car make it more comfortable/easier to drive?", to which the answer is, generally yes. A sports car is easier and more comfortable to drive than a bus.
 
MavericK96 said:
I'd say it's more like, "Does a better car make it more comfortable/easier to drive?", to which the answer is, generally yes. A sports car is easier and more comfortable to drive than a bus.
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I seriously doubt that a F1 car is more comfotable and easier to drive than a bus.
 
Spewn said:
The point is simply that any difference will be small, and it isn't worth how upset some people are getting over this. You're not going to start losing tomorrow because people can buy these unlocks.
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I'm pretty sure a lot of you got your guns by grinding through metro. That's what it is MMORPG wise. My best gun, is the G3A3, which, you can't really grind through. And pre-patch, the stock assault gun, would be pwned by the F2000, so imagine that was your starting gun at the time.

Do you also realize how counter intuitive it was for me to get the CITV station? I'm a designated recon, i do my best when i'm on foot, sneaking around bases, and in a lot of cases, i won't even be in the field at all while i'm spotting enemies with the MAV. A recon is the last thing you'll expect to see in a vehicle. My clanmate on the other hand is the designated tank driver, he can take out a moving target from across the map and taking out helicopters by going up inclines and shooting them down. He unlocked everything tank related within a few weeks, and found the CITV useless, since you're essentially taking your best tank driver, and literally putting him in the back seat.

So basically, skillwise, the guy that can actually use a CITV station, is the guy that's the least likely to get anywhere near a tank. Two months after BF3 launched, i was nowhere near unlocking the CITV. So i spent a week driving the tank, which i absolutely *hated*, to get the CITV. When i got that tho, a three man tank crew was holding down an aircraft carrier.


Mind you tho, i'm not really into cheating, so i always go through the game properly (Skyrim is a great game to play, but horrible to explore because you literally had to read through the walkthrough to avoid the fatal bugs, which i don't do until *after* i finish a game). The thing that gets on my nerves are people claiming that skill will always pwn equipment. Which is simply not true. You take an average guy, put him against another average guy, give one of them a more powerful gun, and i guarantee, the guy with the stock gun is going to get pwned.
 
collegeboy69us said:
ask yourselves this: does having a better car make you a better DRIVER?

Hell no it doesn't.
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That's the worst analogy ever. A better car won't make you a better driver (though it may make you learn faster depending on the car), but it will make you win more races and get a better positioning in the rankings compared to someone in a shittier car, and that's the point, the unlocks don't magically make you more skilled, but they do magically make you more likely to kill/survive. I may not be a great driver, but I'm pretty sure I could get around a track faster than Sebastian Vettel if you threw me in a Radical SR8 and gave Seb a 1975 pick up truck with a worn out engine that now only produces 60hp and worn out dampers that make the car roll around... yeah, I'd take that challenge ;)
 
Also, try flying a plane with just the first unlock (flares)... see how long you last and how many kills you can get. Vehicle unlocks make a huge difference, that's a fact.
 
One of the reasons I don't play BF3 is because I don't like most of the starting guns and it is such an extreme grind to unlock everything. This is why I loved GRAW and Rainbow Six Vegas: I was able to choose from a huge selection of guns in GRAW and in Vegas not only do you get a selection but you can choose to use a silencer and scope. Most games are still years behind in terms of available customization; Rainbow Six Vegas and Army of Two are still unmatched this generation as far as I know in terms of customization.

I'd pay for the guns after looking them up on youtube to see if I liked the way they looked and sounded. This is just like the Dead Space DLC. The extra costumes and guns were better and looked awesome. I can't stand using guns that sound awful and IMO most of the starting guns in BF3 look and sound bad which deters me from playing knowing I will be stuck with them.
 
EA is one of the worst companies I have ever dealt with. I think this is what really bothers people. We already know that they do not do anything without expecting to A, make it worse later, B try to milk more money out of an existing product. So you add those together and you think what is BF4 going to be like? Is that the point where they cross the line and grinding becomes so unbearable everyone wants to pay. No I get grinding, I have no problem with it in a F2P game, its needed to get people to pay anything. But in a game where I already forked out a high dollar why on earth should I need to put up with that. The DLC was getting bad, then came the unlocking junk, now they are adding pay to unlock. Next game the CFO is going to say well DICE we need to see you increase the pay to unlock player by 15% this game. So lets see what you can do about that. All this is coming from a retail mentality. They start treating the game not as a single product but as a sale and they are trying everything they can to increase the average ticket price. Obvoiusly the only way to do that is to keep splitting the same product into as many products as you can and selling them all separately. But you gotta smooth into it so the players do not freak out.
 
I just picked up BF3, I am rank 5.
8 out of the 10 games I've played I've been #1 on the scoreboard.

Skill > Gear
 
Sly said:
An F1 is not a sportscar. Do you atleast watch Top Gear?
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Really...TopGear? I watch scrubs alot,i guess that makes me a doctor in your book. I have driven enough sports, racing, and exotic cars myself to know that, at least for me, sitting in the big open bench seat would be more comfortable, then cramming 6'3 frame into a corvette. well, off to do a coronary bypass, ill let you know how it goes.
 
xLokiX said:
Really...TopGear? I watch scrubs alot,i guess that makes me a doctor in your book. I have driven enough sports, racing, and exotic cars myself to know that, at least for me, sitting in the big open bench seat would be more comfortable, then cramming 6'3 frame into a corvette. well, off to do a coronary bypass, ill let you know how it goes.
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I somehow doubt that considering you confused an F1 for a sportscar. Much less keep the car within the context of the thread. Everyone else automatically knew what a sportscar is, that is, except you. A comfortable fast sportscar, and you think of an F1? Really???

BTW, absolutely am no gearhead, but know enough to tell the difference between the vehicle types and which one properly applies in the context of this thread. F1?:rolleyes:
 
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Sly said:
I somehow doubt that considering you confused an F1 for a sportscar. Much less keep the car within the context of the thread. Everyone else automatically knew what a sportscar is, that is, except you. A comfortable fast sportscar, and you think of an F1? Really???

BTW, absolutely am no gearhead, but know enough to tell the difference between the vehicle types and which one properly applies in the context of this thread. F1?:rolleyes:
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Maybe I should have said a "luxury" car, like a BMW or something. Lol. :p :rolleyes:
 
Kainzo said:
I just picked up BF3, I am rank 5.
8 out of the 10 games I've played I've been #1 on the scoreboard.

Skill > Gear
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On foot, you're very right but have you tried the vehicles? Try them without any unlocks and then tell me they don't make a big difference.
 
man these unlocks are like paying for a whole new game its expensive......
 
Massive grinding unlocks are stupid. Having to pay money to avoid grinding is only slightly more stupid.

Time = Money

Time = Unlocks

Money = Unlocks

Almost equivalent except for the remainder of fun as a by product of Time = unlocks.
 
Sly said:
An F1 is not a sportscar. Do you atleast watch Top Gear?
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But an F1 car is "better" than a sports car. He was pointing out why your attempt at an analogy didn't hold any water in terms of the BF3 paid unlocks.
 
Jellylesg said:
But an F1 car is "better" than a sports car. He was pointing out why your attempt at an analogy didn't hold any water in terms of the BF3 paid unlocks.
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It was my analogy, and no, he failed to grasp the concept by using some wacky logic to equate an F1 to a "sports car". An F1 is a "race car". There's a pretty significant difference.

Also, by your post you clearly failed to grasp the concept as well. I suggest re-reading the original conversation.
 
collegeboy69us said:
ask yourselves this: does having a better car make you a better DRIVER?

Hell no it doesn't.
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A better car will get you around the track faster. That is a fact. So while your skill may not be better, end results will be.

Same as better weapons/gear will get you better results in BF3. Otherwise we wouldn't even bother upgrading.
 
Does this unlock all the optics for the weapons? I'm one of those people with more money than time...
 
Wasn't EA just voted worst company in America? Tactics like this are part of the reason, I'm sure.
 
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