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Lumia 900 (and like phones) upgradable to WP8?
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gigaxtreme1
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I doubt it. They just want you to buy more and newer crap. Hell, I don't care about the money I spent for the various forms of Vista I bought, I just want those hours of my life back it just took from me on dealing with it.
Edit- Sorry for the rant but I was replying as to if it would be an automatic upgrade.
Edit- Sorry for the rant but I was replying as to if it would be an automatic upgrade.
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I'm pretty sure the phones that can physically (RAM wise) support the OS will get the update. MS has stated that they are planning two years of support per device, even if that means they can upgrade to the new OS but leave some features out. Devices like the 800, 900, Titan, Focus S, etc, should all be capable of running WP8 as far as we know right now.
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Negative, look at what happened when MS relased WP7.. HD2 (the development platform) was not allowed to upgrade because it had 5 buttons on the front instead of 3 lol. WP8 will also have some silly restriction as well IMHO......
I doubt that... which phone maker would agree to make the system working on old phone, when they can make you buy newer stuff 
It's same reason why some companies do not upgrade their phones to newest Android, even if the phone would run the new system without problems.
"Greed is good"
It's same reason why some companies do not upgrade their phones to newest Android, even if the phone would run the new system without problems. "Greed is good"
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Everything I've heard says that 2nd gen devices will get updated to Windows Phone 8 for sure. This includes devices such as the Samsung Focus S, Samsung Focus Flash, Lumia 710, Lumia 800, Lumia 900, HTC Titan, HTC Titan II, etc.
Microsoft hasn't said one way or another on 1st gen handsets, so that's still an unknown.
- HD2 only reliably supports 2-point multitouch, some drivers allow sketchy 3-point support (WP7 requires 4-point).
- HD2 only has a single-stage camera button (WP7 requires a dual-stage camera button).
- HD2 lacks a hardware search button (also has other buttons that aren't part of WP7's design spec and wouldn't be supported).
- HD2 only has 512mb of internal storage (WP7 minimum requirement was 8GB, but dropped to 4GB with the Tango update).
The only reason XDA managed to get WP7 onto it is because HTC recycled their designs and released the HD7 with almost identical hardware to the HD2. You still need to install additional storage (microSD card) to get WP7 onto the HD2, though.
The primary pre-release development handset for Windows Phone 7 was the Samsung Taylor (this was seeded to developers and never became a retail device).
Microsoft hasn't said one way or another on 1st gen handsets, so that's still an unknown.
The HTC HD2 was not a Windows Phone 7 development handset, it was not built for Windows Phone 7, and was never intended to get Windows Phone 7. The HTC HD2 does not meet the following requirements for Windows Phone 7:
- HD2 only reliably supports 2-point multitouch, some drivers allow sketchy 3-point support (WP7 requires 4-point).
- HD2 only has a single-stage camera button (WP7 requires a dual-stage camera button).
- HD2 lacks a hardware search button (also has other buttons that aren't part of WP7's design spec and wouldn't be supported).
- HD2 only has 512mb of internal storage (WP7 minimum requirement was 8GB, but dropped to 4GB with the Tango update).
The only reason XDA managed to get WP7 onto it is because HTC recycled their designs and released the HD7 with almost identical hardware to the HD2. You still need to install additional storage (microSD card) to get WP7 onto the HD2, though.
The primary pre-release development handset for Windows Phone 7 was the Samsung Taylor (this was seeded to developers and never became a retail device).
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pretty sure it was... and that it was a leaked development ROM that enabled the XDA guys to get WP7 on the HD2 in the end....
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Just because a handset was used as a testing device internally at HTC does not mean it was ever actually going to get a final ROM. It just means HTC didn't have any other hardware ready for testing that early-on, so they slapped together some drivers to boot it on the fastest thing they had available in the shop.
Microsoft did the same thing for testing Windows on ARM (what would become the ARM branch of Windows 8). They recompiled what was basically Windows 7 for ARM processors and ran it on Windows Mobile 6.5 handsets because they didn't have a proper development platform ready yet.
The Toshiba TG01 was also used for early testing of WP7, but was never actually updated to run it officially (it doesn't meet many of the same requirements as the HD2).
As far as I'm aware, a full ROM for the HD2 was never leaked (nobody knows if HTC ever cooked a bootable ROM for the handset), just a few device driver DLLs (which may not have been for the HD2, but instead for a phone with similar hardware like an early hardware revision of the HD7). The first WP7 ROM's for the HTC HD2 were based on the leaked ROM for the "HTC Mondrian" (another unreleased device) combined with a few device driver DLL's that Dark Forces Team managed to get their hands on.
Nope. The initial plan by HTC was to support Windows Mobile 7 (an OS update based directly on Windows Mobile 6.5). Windows Mobile 7 never came out.
Plans for Windows Mobile 7 were dropped, Windows Phone 7 development started and the "update" became almost an entirely new OS designed from the ground up. Requirements and chassis specifications were wildly different from Windows Mobile, and the HD2 lost its upgrade path.
I think HTC abandoned all plans for updating the HD2 to WP7 when they were informed that WP7 would not be compatible with any Windows Mobile software. OEM's traditionally don't update handsets when there's a massive break in compatibility like that, since old users would suffer for it (kinda hard to tell your userbase that all the software they purchased for WM 6.5 is now worthless after updating their phone).
OEM's also traditionally shy away from updating phones when the update requires the user install additional storage. This same situation recently held up an update for a couple of Samsung phones because the ICS ROM was too large with the additions Samsung wanted in it.
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Never said it was gonna.... I was just responding to your assertion that the HD2 wasn't a development device.... it clearly was...
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Can we stop fucking about whether some old phone got WP7 or not?
The point of this thread, is will current WP7 HW get WP8, or not. IMO, it will, just like how the iPhone 3GS still gets updates, just don't expect all functionality the highest end HW gets, to be present in the (then) older HW.
The point of this thread, is will current WP7 HW get WP8, or not. IMO, it will, just like how the iPhone 3GS still gets updates, just don't expect all functionality the highest end HW gets, to be present in the (then) older HW.
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"Testing device" isn't the same thing as "development device." Development devices like the Samsung Taylor actually made it into the hands of, you know, "developers"...
And it's still not clear weather or not the HD2 was even used as a testing device. All we have are some DLL's that happen to work with the hardware in the HD2. Nobody knows if HTC ever cooked a fully bootable WP7 ROM for the HD2 at any stage.
That was my understanding. Older devices would get Windows Phone 8, but they wouldn't support some of its features (no NFC because the older handsets lack the hardware, for instance).
I'm still rocking a 1st gen Samsung Focus, so the silence about 1st gen devices worries me slightly... I'm reasonably sure 1st gen will get WP8 (they're not that different from 2nd gen handsets), but you never know.
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My prediction is that absolutely no phones will be upgraded to Windows 8, but if by some miracle some do, they will have at least 1GB of RAM (which, correct me if I'm wrong, no current WP7 phones have).....
So I guess I'm saying, none will probably get it?
Yes they will, even MS isn't dumb enough to release a flagship device like the 900 only to orphan it in less than a year. There is literally nothing stated anywhere that says they won't be upgrade-able. Just a bunch of dumb fear posts. On the other hand, there is a ton of evidence and common sense that state they will be. My suspicion is that it can be done and MS wants it to be done, but the carriers have the final say and MS can't make promises for the carriers. So we wait. Either way I'm going to enjoy the hell out of my Lumia 900 when it launches, for at least a good solid 8-12 months if not longer.
WP7 news reported yesterday that all gen 2 devices will upgrade with full capabilities.. gen 1 will be allowed to upgrade to but some functions may not be usable.
wish AT&T would push out latest update for my Titan.... lazy bastards just waiting on Tango it seems.
wish AT&T would push out latest update for my Titan.... lazy bastards just waiting on Tango it seems.
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All current Windows Phone 7 handsets have 512mb of RAM.
Some pre-release devices had 256mb, and the new Lumia 610 (for emerging markets) has 256mb of RAM.
I'm gonna' say this point blank: Windows Phone 8 will not require 1GB of RAM. The minimum requirement for the full blown x86 desktop version of Windows 8 is only 512mb of RAM (they recommend 1GB, but the minimum is 512mb). There's no way the stripped-down, legacy-free, phone version for ARM will use as much RAM as the x86 desktop version...
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yes they are.......
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No they're not. Are you forgetting the rather deep partnership that Microsoft has formed with Nokia? The Lumia series is the Windows Phone flagship, and I'd say they're pretty much guaranteed to see an official update to Windows Phone 8.
The carriers are more of a worry than the OEMs (especily with Nokia in the mix, who are fairly obligated to update their handsets to Windows Phone 8).
If all else fails, it's pretty easy to debrand a Windows Phone so it receives updates directly from Microsoft rather than from the carrier. I've done it on my Samsung Focus to bypass waiting for AT&T's update approval process.
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the list of stuff that MS has spent untold millions on and abandoned is quite long so please come back to reality
just a small example
Kin
The original version of vista
Zune hardware
Silverlight
Visual Basic
Web TV
Silverlight is alive and well. Balmer himself said it at the dev conference. The problem with Silverlight isn't so much MSes fault though. Silverlight was released in 2004, meaning it was developed for a year or two prior. In 2004 folks also started working on HTML5. Eventually HTML5 together with other technologies like jQuery and JSON started doing what Silverlight does. Silverlight still has a more feature rich framework but now, 7 years after it came to the market, it's just not as relevant anymore. Even if MS were to abandon it you couldn't really blame them for doing so. That would be quite different than abandoning a current gen phone less than 12 months after release.
Visual Basic is alive and well. The overwhelming majority of Microsoft Office apps is coded in VB. If you are going to monster.com or dice.com and enter visual basic as keyword there are thousands and thousands of jobs available. No idea why you would think it's abandoned as it is also fully supported in the current and coming versions of Visual Studio, nevermind Office shipping with VBA.
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Kin: Kin was a feature phone that Verizon killed by requiring a smartphone plan. I place blame firmly on Verizon for that whole fiasco.
Vista: No idea what you mean here, Windows Vista is still supported right along side Windows 7. Vista still receives regular updates and will continue to do so until 4-11-2017
Zune Hardware: The Zune was phased out in favor of phones. I'd call that a hardware update / evolution, especially considering Windows Phone 7 still uses all of Zune's services and features the Zune music player within the "music + videos" hub.
Silverlight: No idea what you mean here either. Silverlight is still in use, still supported (all Windows Phone 7 applications are written in silverlight).
Visual Basic: Old as dirt, what's your point? Edit: Visual Basic support is, apparently, also alive and well. Microsoft still updates associated development tools and provides backwards-compatibility with VB code in modern software.
WebTV: Also old as dirt. A cool concept at the time, but it very rapidly lost its niche market. No point in continuing to support dedicated WebTV hardware when most of your users have moved over to PC's or phones for the same services.
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Silverlight is used not only in WP7 apps, but Win 8 Apps.
7.5 users should no doubt get tango and they lowered the minimium ram reguirement for it if you have 512mb of ram on yours you should be good to go with full functionality.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/3/8/2853948/windows-phone-tango-256mb-ram-restrictions
http://www.theverge.com/2012/3/8/2853948/windows-phone-tango-256mb-ram-restrictions
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They did not lower the RAM requirement. The minimum requirement for all versions of Windows Phone 7 has always been 256mb.
Tango just adds some additional RAM-saving features.
- A developer can now blacklist their apps from 256mb handsets with the Tango SDK (if they know it's going to be too resource intensive).
- Multitasking and fast app switching are still enabled, but applications that use more than 90mb of RAM are automatically tombstoned on 256mb handsets.
- Many 3rd party background agents are disabled on 256mb handsets (background audio playback and push notifications still enabled).
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