Achieva Shimian QH270| $400 IPS 2560x1440 Korean Monitor

NCX said:
These models have nearly double the contrast of both HP models (1000-1200:1 vs <700:1)=much better black levels. Screen uniformity varies but most have reported only small amounts of bleeding, if any. Not sure about tinting but I'm sure we would have heard about it like with the older IPS panels.
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Yeah hopefully most of the major issues will have been revealed by now. I did not find out about the broken scaler on the ZR24w until after I purchased it and the PRAD and TFTcentral reviews made no mention of tinting issues on the LP2475w and U2410 at all :confused:

alamone said:
I received replies from various ebay sellers regarding the serial numbers, all of them responded that they couldn't guarantee anything regarding the serial numbers, so that's that. If the letter is indeed by month of manufacture I think we're all SOL if we want monitors with the higher refresh rate.
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Without the refresh rate bonus I think the Shimian might be a better choice compared to the Catleap. The stands on these aren't that great and it looks like the Shimian's stand can be removed without disassembling the monitor. The price has also come down to match the Catleap.
 
Just a random question, but it sounds like these sellers have a fairly good relationship with the manufacturers, that being the case, if we asked them to find out why they changed the part, and more importantly if it was cost savings to change it back, but have a seperate line of "OC" versions I think those people who were on the fence and not wanting to partake in an lottery would jump in a heartbeat. Thoughts?
 
Does anyone know if these have the same blurring issues the apple cinema displays have because of the 12ms response time it has , for color the apple cinema was great , but movement in game was a pain . . . hopefully we get back the CATLEAP Q270 with the higher refresh rates maybe we just gotta wait for the next letter , if lg doesn't clear all the stock of these panels first , what they seems to be trying , the 2012 version of this panel will be out soon maybe ill just wait , im sure it going to be great considering how nice this panel was
 
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I'm looking for one that has a VESA mount without tearing the monitor apart. Looks like the Crossover is the only one in this category?

I see some that have "tempered glass". How does this compare to the non-tempered versions?
 
Pultzar said:
I'm looking for one that has a VESA mount without tearing the monitor apart. Looks like the Crossover is the only one in this category?

I see some that have "tempered glass". How does this compare to the non-tempered versions?
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No, the Shimian also has a usable VESA mount without having to tear anything apart. The Crossover's stand looks to be a bit better though, so were I buying again I'd go with the Crossover.

The glass is just that -- a pane of glass over the display front. It's generally agreed it should be avoided since there have been issues with dust trapped between the glass and panel itself.
 
Activate: AMD said:
I'm a regular slickdeals user, but damn.. it would have been better to keep this one underground as long as possible
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^^^^^^^
Same here.

Edit: Just got Catleap Q270SE C1 Panel from Green-Sum. Overclocked only to 67Hz. Not disappointed in any way. Panel is perfect, no dead pixels. Darkness II is actually playing at full rez on my MSI GTX460 Cyclone. Like I said, couldn't be happier. Love the extra real estate! Colors are unbelievable. Best electronics purchase I've made in a long, long time.
 
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silent-circuit said:
No, the Shimian also has a usable VESA mount without having to tear anything apart. The Crossover's stand looks to be a bit better though, so were I buying again I'd go with the Crossover.

The glass is just that -- a pane of glass over the display front. It's generally agreed it should be avoided since there have been issues with dust trapped between the glass and panel itself.
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Silent, did you get a Shimian or a Catleap?
 
I have a Shimian QH270-IPSB, the version with glass but no speakers or scaler.

I do not recommend it because of the issues with dust between the glass and screen others have had, but I was lucky in that there was only a single small piece of dust in mine and it fell to the bottom within the first couple days and is no longer visible. I also got no stuck or dead pixels, but the lottery there seems to be about the same regardless of model.
 
Yeah, based on the polls, there's about a 15% chance you'll get a bad pixel or two. But really, unless its in the center third of the monitor or they are all grouped together, you'll never see it/them since the pixel pitch is so tight. These are 400 bucks, and that price reduction is captured in that 15% risk.

Just don't LOOK for bad pixels, and you probably won't see them.

OBSESSION - the enemy of happiness and/or satisfaction. :p

And the Catleap stand is pretty springy. Base is better, but its still a lot of overhanging mass on that narrow, thin, plastic neck. I'd probably spring 430 for the crossover LED-P for the tilt/swivel/pivot stand it has if I bought today.

BB
 
Was negotiating with a Taobao agent for purchasing 3 of these.

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=14690976454

Total came out to nearly $600 shipped ea EMS / Paid with Western Union. They have "perfect panels" (Same as Dell/Apple), Display port, Vesa mounting, nice HP stand, nice matte-black slim enclosure. But can't really justify them at $600. Maybe $500, going to look for other options.
 
I wasn't able to find the part number anywhere on Google, I'm almost thinking they're custom made for those Yamakasi's but I could be wrong.
 
BB Gun said:
Yeah, based on the polls, there's about a 15% chance you'll get a bad pixel or two. But really, unless its in the center third of the monitor or they are all grouped together, you'll never see it/them since the pixel pitch is so tight. These are 400 bucks, and that price reduction is captured in that 15% risk.

Just don't LOOK for bad pixels, and you probably won't see them.

OBSESSION - the enemy of happiness and/or satisfaction. :p

And the Catleap stand is pretty springy. Base is better, but its still a lot of overhanging mass on that narrow, thin, plastic neck. I'd probably spring 430 for the crossover LED-P for the tilt/swivel/pivot stand it has if I bought today.

BB
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Hmmmm, that's what has me worried. I ordered a Catleap on Monday, but I'm afraid of taking it apart to add an aftermarket stand (my own fault, should've done better research before I purchased and went with the Shimian instead).

Now I'm thinking about cancelling and ordering the Crossover LED-P.

I'm so conflicted as to what to do lol. Anyone know how long it takes for Paypal to refund your money? I paid through bank account.
 
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Seller technically doesn't even have to let you cancel... particularly if it already shipped. Time to take the risk?
 
Activate: AMD said:
I ordered a catleap on saturday and contacted Green-Sum to see what the shipping timetable was going to be. got this info:
We are really sorry about being late, cause of flood of orders.
The manufacturer has problem with supporting superabundant orders.
We will provide tracking number tomorrow at least Thursday.
It took time because we made a contract with a distributor for more stock.
Now new product will come in 2 days.
I will definitely update tracking number asap.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
Thank you.
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I'm not too upset about the delay, was more just curious. However, based on the date-coded 2B vs 2C clocking issue, my take away from this is that anyone ordering now will almost certainly not be getting a panel capable of hitting 100hz :(
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wings2004 said:
Just a random question, but it sounds like these sellers have a fairly good relationship with the manufacturers, that being the case, if we asked them to find out why they changed the part, and more importantly if it was cost savings to change it back, but have a seperate line of "OC" versions I think those people who were on the fence and not wanting to partake in an lottery would jump in a heartbeat. Thoughts?
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Those who ordered the panel in late feb and early mar got a C version which was assembled in march. This would indicate they are building them as they are being ordered, right off the assembly line. A group buy asking for the "B" version may have clout with the manufacturer. It would certainly be easier than to look for the part and exchange it for higher Hz.

On the other hand, if the Catleap B version card can be found and bought cheaply, it may be possible to swap out the board from the Shimian and a new era of overclocking of all brands of monitors will begin.
 
Funny how that Slickdeal thread got deleted, probably for the best anyway.

alamone said:
I received replies from various ebay sellers regarding the serial numbers, all of them responded that they couldn't guarantee anything regarding the serial numbers, so that's that. If the letter is indeed by month of manufacture I think we're all SOL if we want monitors with the higher refresh rate.
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We're still waiting for Crossover Q27 results to roll in. A few people mentioned a "75hz" rumor, which means we don't have real confirmation yet and a rumor it remains, or wishful thinking...

fyleow said:
For those who own this monitor how is the color uniformity and black levels? I own the LP2475w which has a pink to green cast after 10+ replacements and a ZR24w with non existant black levels. I don't want to get bitten again.
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ToastyX tested his Catleap already using his equipment, it did well at stock, here are his results from a previous page: http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1675393&page=10

But if you've had to return a monitor 10 times then i don't think a South Korean import is right for you ;)
 
Damn these are tempting.. I have been wanting a higher res monitor for a while, but rarely venture out of genmay. But saw the thread about these in hot deals & it definitely got my attention.

Looking at them the crossover looks especially appealing considering the half way non suck stand.

Plus I can easily get 200 for my current monitor on craigslist locally (28" Hanns-G hg281d) so it almost seems like a no brainier. The black levels & color bleed on this thing pretty well suck.
 
bastage said:
Damn these are tempting.. I have been wanting a higher res monitor for a while, but rarely venture out of genmay. But saw the thread about these in hot deals & it definitely got my attention.

Looking at them the crossover looks especially appealing considering the half way non suck stand.

Plus I can easily get 200 for my current monitor on craigslist locally (28" Hanns-G hg281d) so it almost seems like a no brainier. The black levels & color bleed on this thing pretty well suck.
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A short wait may not be bad, in addition to waiting for more Crossover Q27 results to roll in, apparently the Ebay sellers may begin carrying the PCBANK 3VIEW PB2700 which has slightly quicker pixel refresh, and slightly better gamma and contrast than the Shimian and Catleap. Not sure if the refresh rate can be OC'd but i'm sure we'll find out once it's available. I sent an email to 4 different Ebay sellers asking them to stock the PCBANK 3View, figured if enough people showed interest then maybe they'll begin selling them quicker.
 
Got my tracking number in from dreamseller for the crossover LED-P.
Someone posted that there will be a new crossover model with more inputs =(. PRobably be $500+ i assume..
 
SJetski71 said:
A short wait may not be bad, in addition to waiting for more Crossover Q27 results to roll in, apparently the Ebay sellers may begin carrying the PCBANK 3VIEW PB2700 which has slightly quicker pixel refresh, and slightly better gamma and contrast than the Shimian and Catleap. Not sure if the refresh rate can be OC'd but i'm sure we'll find out once it's available. I sent an email to 4 different Ebay sellers asking them to stock the PCBANK 3View, figured if enough people showed interest then maybe they'll begin selling them quicker.
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I saw a review to that one on OCN. The thing that I didn't like about it is simply that the bezel seems clunkier & the stand doesn't seem as good. Have to admit though. I don't dig the white back on the crossover, but it will be backed up against a wall anyhow.
 
LG panels often very, so that doesn't mean the PCBANK is really the best. For example if one were to buy any 3 IPS panels they would like get different results. For example, PC Pro UK reviewed 3 NEC EA232's and measured different gamma and 2/3 panels had 1000:1 contrast while one was 700:1.

I recieved a PA238Q with 1.9 gamma and a 700:1 contrast ratio while PRAD and Extra Hardware CZ's had 2.2 gamma and 950:1 native contrast. The same thing has popped up with the U2412hm's, Asus ML239H and LG IPS236V.
 
bastage said:
I saw a review to that one on OCN. The thing that I didn't like about it is simply that the bezel seems clunkier & the stand doesn't seem as good. Have to admit though. I don't dig the white back on the crossover, but it will be backed up against a wall anyhow.
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Gonna have to agree with you on the 3View bezel and base. The base you can swap out, but you'd have to wince every time you stared at the bezel.

Better performance, refresh rate etc, would win me over though.

NCX said:
LG panels often very, so that doesn't mean the PCBANK is really the best. For example if one were to buy any 3 IPS panels they would like get different results. For example, PC Pro UK reviewed 3 NEC EA232's and measured different gamma and 2/3 panels had 1000:1 contrast while one was 700:1.

I recieved a PA238Q with 1.9 gamma and a 700:1 contrast ratio while PRAD and Extra Hardware CZ's had 2.2 gamma and 950:1 native contrast. The same thing has popped up with the U2412hm's, Asus ML239H and LG IPS236V.
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Darn, i didn't imagine that much variance was possible on the factory calibration. The one good thing, as long as a model continues to use the same rev mainboard, then it's refresh rate capability should theoretically remain the same.
 
i didn't know about the variance either. i assumed there was hardly any b/c the 3 other reviews (crossover, achieva, catleap) were seemingly nearly identical in every way... which is why i got curious what was different in that pcbank one.
 
I just came across this thread, I reaaaaaaalllly want the YAMAKASI CATLEAP Q270, rather than searching 30 some odd pages, is an adapter needed to power this thing in the US?

Thanks ahead.
 
SJetski71 said:
Gonna have to agree with you on the 3View bezel and base. The base you can swap out, but you'd have to wince every time you stared at the bezel.

Better performance, refresh rate etc, would win me over though.
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Compared to what I have now they should all be great. I like the ideal of being able to flip to portrait though and the bottom Bezel not being even would drive me nuts.
 
Apparently these sellers are incapable of responding to more than one email per day. I've been in contact with dream-seller, and I'll send a message at ~10pm my time....won't get an answer until 24 hours later. I then quickly respond the their statement/response and won't hear back from them for another 24 hours.

This is ridiculous.
 
Update: Dream-seller said he will have the 3View PB2700 in a few days, or sometime next week.
 
Out of all the variations, is there a clear cut winner? Also I see some eBay sellers advertising a $60 fee for defect testing, but they state more than 5 pixels is deemed as defective, does that mean if I pay the $60, and they find 4 dead pixels, they will send it to me anyways? My ultimate pet peeve regarding monitors is a dead pixel, for my personal PC, I refuse to have a monitor with a dead pixel.
 
strat4812 said:
Out of all the variations, is there a clear cut winner? Also I see some eBay sellers advertising a $60 fee for defect testing, but they state more than 5 pixels is deemed as defective, does that mean if I pay the $60, and they find 4 dead pixels, they will send it to me anyways? My ultimate pet peeve regarding monitors is a dead pixel, for my personal PC, I refuse to have a monitor with a dead pixel.
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You seem to understand the policy. Clearly this monitor isn't for you. The risk is well documented and the sellers are being transparent about the warranty. I suggest you buy one of the options direct from Dell or HP.
 
akg102 said:
Apparently these sellers are incapable of responding to more than one email per day. I've been in contact with dream-seller, and I'll send a message at ~10pm my time....won't get an answer until 24 hours later. I then quickly respond the their statement/response and won't hear back from them for another 24 hours.

This is ridiculous.
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you can call them for a faster response
 
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Phishy714 said:
What makes this monitor better than all the others?
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If you are referring to the 3View PB2700 then it's mostly just interest in a new but similar model, some of us are hoping it can run a higher refresh rate than the other models. Outside of a few posted specs and esthetics we don't have confirmation on anything yet.
 
SJetski71 said:
If you are referring to the 3View PB2700 then it's mostly just interest in a new but similar model, some of us are hoping it can run a higher refresh rate than the other models. Outside of a few posted specs and esthetics we don't have confirmation on anything yet.
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Ah I see. So is there a clear cut winner among the monitors available in the different brands? I am just a bit confused as to what IPSB, IPSM, S-IPS, and all these other prefixes mean. I might actually have to bite on this one.
 
Phishy714 said:
What makes this monitor better than all the others?
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When the Korean website Playwares reviewed all of the monitors being discussed, the 3View came better calibrated than the others (more accurate gamma and higher contrast). All the monitors use the same panel.

As to whether it's "better" that depends on whether the better calibration was due to luck, a cherry-picked sample, or 3View employing better factory calibration methods than the other manufacturers.
 
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