Achieva Shimian QH270| $400 IPS 2560x1440 Korean Monitor

vhx said:
While your statement is true, the newer components are, in fact, cheaper.



Nowhere anywhere did I say they advertised above 60hz. I simply said they are now using cheaper components; which is the truth.
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Except you don't know that they're cheaper. They may have switched parts for reliability for reliability or supply issues. We don't know.

There's no way you can make a statement that that parts are cheaper without backing it up with evidence.
 
wabbitseason said:
The Hz panel lottery is incredibly disappointing. That was the main attraction of this monitor: 100 Hz high-rez IPS.
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I'm pretty sure the main attraction was a crystal clear (no AG coating) 2560x1440 IPS monitor... for 400 dollars instead of 700-1000+, the faster Hz capability on some of the catleaps was more of a bonus. If you just meant this particularly version of the korean 1440p panels, then yes, that probably was the man draw for most.
 
wabbitseason said:
IPS panels aren't inherently incompatible with anti-glare films. The real issue is that the ultra-grainy LG antiglare coatings aren't present on other types of panels. Then when you combine that overly aggressive coating with the very fine ppi common on IPS panels you get the dreaded "sparkle-fuzz" effect.
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Thank you for the clarification. Is the "sparkle fuzz" similar to the the "screen door shimmer"?
 
wabbitseason said:
The cost is irrelevant. The display industry has been atrociously slow to develop in the last 5-8 years, and the unprecedented technological combination in this monitor (IPS, high-res, high refresh, low input lag, fast response) is what all the excitement is about.
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Totally wrong on the cost issue, it is THE killer feature. Long before anyone even knew about the possibility of higher refresh rates on some of the monitors, these threads were exploding, they were exploding because it at long last brought an ultra high res ips panel within striking distance of what more people were willing to pay.


The cost is only irrelevant to the much smaller segment that can and will pay any price for bleeding edge specs and advancements, that is always a smaller group. If these monitors were rated to have official support for 120Hz, but cost 1000 dollars, they would run the tables on the high end monitor buying crowd, and Sell orders of magnitude fewer screens because it would be priced out of many peoples budgets for the luxury of more screen real estate.
 
Blazestorm said:
Yea that's the cable. I'd try re-seating it again just to be sure. I've taken mine apart 4-5 times now and 2-3 of the times were because the cable wasn't seated 100%.

I kept messing with it while it was disassembled until I got an image. Then I reassembled it a bit more, checked the signal again, repeat until it the panel was screwed back in.
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Completely dead. I've reseated it a bunch. Hopefully I can return it for a refund, I don't want to try my luck again.
 
Got mine today. I have one of the newer Catleaps, and it won't do higher refresh rates. Unfortunate, but my screen is very nice - a couple of dead pixels in the top right, but the pixels on this screen are so small it is almost unnoticeable. I'm not rationalizing it away here - even if they were obvious, this is still a great deal at $400, but I can only see them on black backgrounds and when I look for them.

Overall I am very pleased. The out-of-box calibration seems very good, better than my U2410s, and the screen is crystal clear with no coatings on it. The higher resolution is awesome, and now my SLI 580s have something to actually stress them a bit more :)
 
Goatbert said:
Completely dead. I've reseated it a bunch. Hopefully I can return it for a refund, I don't want to try my luck again.
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wow bummer, maybe they can cross ship you a replacement. should be no biggie since im sure it probably costs them like $50 at the most to make each monitor
 
cheapo said:
wow bummer, maybe they can cross ship you a replacement. should be no biggie since im sure it probably costs them like $50 at the most to make each monitor
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They're made in S Korea and weigh over 20 lbs. Pretty sure they cost closer to 200USD to mnfr
 
Cosine106 said:
They're made in S Korea and weigh over 20 lbs. Pretty sure they cost closer to 200USD to mnfr
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well the actual cost to make it is usually a fraction of what they sell for. for example some nike air max shoes retail for $140 but only cost $3.50 to make. i highly doubt it costs 200 to manufacture since im sure the retailers in korea get it for much cheaper than that. pretty much we're just paying for the name. yamakasi is a popular top end brand in korea just like sony and samsung are the popular brands here in the us.
 
Goatbert said:
Well, this is bad.

I took the monitor apart again, disconnected and reconnected (and retaped where applicable) the cables. Still nothing displays. Same symptoms, so I brought it over to this computer (Windows PC with a 6850) and sure enough it detects a display with the right resolution called DUAL-DVI. Only available refresh is 60Hz so that doesn't seem to be the issue either, but the same symptom - monitor lights up, or goes into power save, whatever I tell it to do through Windows, but the display is blank. Any other suggestions? I adjusted the brightness to both ends of the spectrum, had no effect, just to cover all the bases.

The video cable is the one opposite the DVI connector on the circuit board, that then goes into the top of the panel, correct?
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I have the same problem with the Catleap Q270 and I never took anything apart. Monitor shows up as "DUAL-DVI" in windows, and windows seems to think it's connected and working just fine. However I just get a blank black screen (backlight on, solid green LED). I've tried two different dual-link cables, two vidcards which, while somewhat dated, support dual-link, and two computers. There was one time when I was able to randomly get a picture and it looked great, and now I can't do it again on the same hardware. Seems the only two options now are a bad display, or I need a newer video card for some reason (new timing standards? more powerful signal?).
 
cheapo said:
well the actual cost to make it is usually a fraction of what they sell for. for example some nike air max shoes retail for $140 but only cost $3.50 to make. i highly doubt it costs 200 to manufacture since im sure the retailers in korea get it for much cheaper than that. pretty much we're just paying for the name. yamakasi is a popular top end brand in korea just like sony and samsung are the popular brands here in the us.
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mk. well I don't argue on the internet, so this post will be it for me.

Nikes aren't made in S Korea.

The factory sells them for $245-$250; not including loading or shipping costs.
http://www.alibaba.com/product-tp/123436759/LED_Monitor_QH270_IPSBS.html
 
My CROSSOVER shipped, but dream seller didnt give a tracking number automatically and pretty slow to respond to my email requesting for one...

cant wait. Ill be ok if it cant do 100hz, still much better than my 2005fpw!
 
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Cosine106 said:
mk. well I don't argue on the internet, so this post will be it for me.

Nikes aren't made in S Korea.

The factory sells them for $245-$250; not including loading or shipping costs.
http://www.alibaba.com/product-tp/123436759/LED_Monitor_QH270_IPSBS.html
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Yeah... MOQ direct is 100, there it's 500. Do you have $125,000 + shipping costs to throw down? Become an importer / local distributor, we'd all be thrilled. Till then, accept it costs a considerable amount to get them here (I think EMS / FedEx from Korea for something this big runs $80+) and be glad you aren't paying $1000 for an Apple Cinema Display.


ufot said:
My catleap shipped, but dream seller didnt give a tracking number automatically and pretty slow to respond to my email requesting for one...

cant wait. Ill be ok if it cant do 100hz, still much better than my 2005fpw!
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Don't bank on it -- there are more reports of displays that won't do much if any above 60Hz, and honestly for the price if it works you should be happy. If it doesn't, obviously, feel free to get pissed, but if it won't do something that wasn't even advertised as a feature...
 
lol @ people complaining about the price. Save some money and get a grainy U2412, then come back and complain about spending 400$ on a glossy 27" 1440p display.
 
NCX said:
lol @ people complaining about the price. Save some money and get a grainy U2412, then come back and complain about spending 400$ on a glossy 27" 1440p display.
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$400 is a great deal for a 27 inch monitor. even better deal since theres no tax and its free fast shipping from a third world country on the other side of the planet.
 
linuxdude9 said:
If you have an 11.4ms avg response time 1000ms/11.4ms = 87.72 changes per second by the pixels. So I would have to think going to 85hz would be beneficial.
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Unfortunately it's not that simple. If the response time is 11.4ms then it takes 11.4ms just to change the state of the liquid crystal and so the pixel is doing nothing but being in a constant state of transition between colours and this will not produce clear moving images.

What you need for clear motion resolution is a short burst of hold time for each frame, or "duty cycle" as they call it. i.e immediately change the pixel to the new colour (requiring very fast response) and then hold it at that colour briefly, so as to avoid blurring on your retina when tracking motion across the screen. CRT hold time is around 1-2ms per frame, and PDP is around 5-6ms. So if your response time is 11.4ms you cannot achieve anywhere near those kind of hold times. Even with a 6ms response you will have spent your whole duty cycle transitioning to the new colour. You actually need a response time in the order of microseconds to achieve CRT/PDP hold times.
 
NCX said:
lol @ people complaining about the price. Save some money and get a grainy U2412, then come back and complain about spending 400$ on a glossy 27" 1440p display.
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What's up with people touting glossy as something amazing? The reflections on this get quite distracting and annoying, especially if you want to watch anything on it. I have a BenQ FP241W with anti-reflective coating and I don't notice any sort of 'grain'. Kind of confused here.
 
Goatbert said:
Completely dead. I've reseated it a bunch. Hopefully I can return it for a refund, I don't want to try my luck again.
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Sorry to hear that, but thanks to you and Blazestorm I decided to take a final stab at my super frustrating blank screen problem by opening up my case and messing around with the display cable between the control board and LCD. And it worked! 100% dead-pixel free! So, thanks a ton to both of you. I barely moved anything around so I'm not sure what where exactly the problem was.. I guess there is something that's not very well secured that gets banged around in shipping. You might also check where the cable is (I think soldered) to the control board. Or the wires in the cable can also become disconnected from their connection pins.
 
vhx said:
What's up with people touting glossy as something amazing? The reflections on this get quite distracting and annoying, especially if you want to watch anything on it. I have a BenQ FP241W with anti-reflective coating and I don't notice any sort of 'grain'. Kind of confused here.
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I agree. The glossy screen on my laptop makes me rage. I can live with the coating. But for people who are always in a dark room, the glossy is definitely better, just not for everyone. As long as you can control your lighting well it's good.
 
vhx said:
What's up with people touting glossy as something amazing? The reflections on this get quite distracting and annoying, especially if you want to watch anything on it. I have a BenQ FP241W with anti-reflective coating and I don't notice any sort of 'grain'. Kind of confused here.
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thehybridfrog said:
I agree. The glossy screen on my laptop makes me rage. I can live with the coating. But for people who are always in a dark room, the glossy is definitely better, just not for everyone. As long as you can control your lighting well it's good.
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Yep I agree, if you can't control the lighting in the room, glossy is no good. You can still apply your own anti-glare film if you want. I found a few sites that sell custom cut pieces. If you did it right you could get an AG screen for $30-40 more.

But I happen to have some nice shades that cut-out nearly all sunlight making glossy tolerable. They do look better than AG screens when there is no other light source in the room.

I would never have a glossy screen on a laptop though, you're usually using that in a variety of locations. I was very glad to find the Sager 8130 came with a matte screen, which is rare now a days.
 
The people complaining are the haters that don't have $400 for this monitor let alone $550 for a HD 7970. I wish HardOCP somehow had a "verified owner" tag like Newegg does. I can promise you, most of the haterz would not have "verified coolness" next to their name. Of course I am just giving some of you a hard time and agree, there are a few valid concerns with these monitors, but in the grand scheme of it all, even the critics have to agree, this is currently, the world over, an exceptional value for what you are getting.
 
I've always enjoyed matte but for this price I would definitely buy a glossy monitor and buy some better shades or something for my windows.
 
vhx said:
What's up with people touting glossy as something amazing? The reflections on this get quite distracting and annoying, especially if you want to watch anything on it. I have a BenQ FP241W with anti-reflective coating and I don't notice any sort of 'grain'. Kind of confused here.
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glossy isn't amazing by itself
but it is amazing compared to today's horrible quality ag coatings
 
Even the lower clocked Catleaps are clocking in at 67hz refresh, an 11-12% improvement over stock. Not what everyone was hoping for but certainly better than nothing. The decent factory calibration should still earn an extra brownie point.

Still waiting for more Crossover 27Q results to come in, 75hz would be a good compromise imho. Lets hope there's no video mainboard lottery with this model, if it holds steady then this will be the model i purchase a few months from now...

SixFootDuo said:
The people complaining are the haters that don't have $400 for this monitor let alone $550 for a HD 7970. I wish HardOCP somehow had a "verified owner" tag like Newegg does. I can promise you, most of the haterz would not have "verified coolness" next to their name. Of course I am just giving some of you a hard time and agree, there are a few valid concerns with these monitors, but in the grand scheme of it all, even the critics have to agree, this is currently, the world over, an exceptional value for what you are getting.
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Don't know who you were referring to but remember that some people wouldn't be happy or satisfied in heaven ;)
 
not a big fan of glossy either, unless i have the correct lighting for it. but probably there are 3rd party matte overlays you could apply to it.
 
cheapo said:
$400 is a great deal for a 27 inch monitor. even better deal since theres no tax and its free fast shipping from a third world country on the other side of the planet.
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I can't tell if this person is joking or serious.
 
cheapo said:
well the actual cost to make it is usually a fraction of what they sell for. for example some nike air max shoes retail for $140 but only cost $3.50 to make. i highly doubt it costs 200 to manufacture since im sure the retailers in korea get it for much cheaper than that. pretty much we're just paying for the name. yamakasi is a popular top end brand in korea just like sony and samsung are the popular brands here in the us.
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I am sure it is cheaper to make than what they sell it for in korea, which is neccessary, they need to make a profit, but margins on electronics are not the same as they are for shoes. It's a hell of alot closer to cost than a tennis shoe, and even with the shipping markup and profit increases we pay (and need to, else what the hell is the point of their efforts), this is dirt cheap compared to what has been available before in the US.
 
just ordered a yamakasi catleap q270 se from green sum. this is a steal at $370, and from all of the positive reviews these have been getting, i wasn't hesitant at all about my purchase.
 
the337 said:
I can't tell if this person is joking or serious.
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its half the cost of what an equivalent monitor would cost here...and they ship it for free. not sure why youre confused. just buy one already and be happy :D
 
cheapo said:
its half the cost of what an equivalent monitor would cost here...and they ship it for free. not sure why youre confused. just buy one already and be happy :D
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I meant the part about S Korea being a third world country lol.
 
thehybridfrog said:
I agree. The glossy screen on my laptop makes me rage. I can live with the coating. But for people who are always in a dark room, the glossy is definitely better, just not for everyone. As long as you can control your lighting well it's good.
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That's the thing, the type of screen you prefer usually depends on where you're using it. I agree with glossy on a laptop being incredibly stupid. It makes my laptop very hard to read when sitting by a window, and it's very annoying. But for a desktop monitor that I'd be using in a dark room, I'd love it.
But right now I'm stuck with a monitor with AG that's doing pretty much nothing because it's in a dark room, and a glossy laptop that could use a good coat of AG. :rolleyes:
 
Got my tracking info. Hopefully it will be here before the weekend since it is coming Fedex. Dcsamsungmall shipped less than 24 hours. Who knows, maybe I will get a 2B since he hasn't sold a lot of them like the other sellers.
 
So I was going to wait and post until my Catleap showed up from greensum but its been sitting in LA customs literally 90 miles away since saturday with no signs of moving soon. Anyway, what I've observed from reading all the threads is the 2c models started coming out when greensum started offering the monitor, I'm not saying all of dcsamsungmall and dreamsellers are 2b's but it seems like everyone who bought either the SE or LED model from greensum got a 2C.

If someone bought from greensum and got a 2B could you please post here, that way we can at least point people to the sellers that fit their particular needs.
 
Ok, about to pull the plug on 3 x of the Catleap 27" SE's. I talked Green down to $1,050 shipped for 3. Would someone mind showing me what active DVI adapters I need to get for my 7970? Also, I need the Korean to US power adapter as well I assume. Not taking any chances. Going to make sure these monitors go through my UPS to keep everything perfect.
 
SixFootDuo said:
Ok, about to pull the plug on 3 x of the Catleap 27" SE's. I talked Green down to $1,050 shipped for 3. Would someone mind showing me what active DVI adapters I need to get for my 7970? Also, I need the Korean to US power adapter as well I assume. Not taking any chances. Going to make sure these monitors go through my UPS to keep everything perfect.
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The catleap's should come with a Welltronics WTS-2405W. Says input is 110-240V AC. So you just need a standard power cable that are used on power supply plugs.
 
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