Mass Effect 3 will require Origin only!

Tudz said:
So you honestly read every single EULA and TOS before you purchase your games, operating systems, etc?
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Nope, and never claimed I did. Should I? Probably. The problem there is most EULA's are written to be as confusing as possible, so that common folks don't have a chance in hell of understanding them one bit.

There should be a law put into place is that all EULA's have to be written in plain, common language and not "lawyerspeak", but thats another topic and corporations would never let it pass anyway. As George said, they own this country already.

I avoided Steam both because I worried about snooping and I prefer physical copies of my games, and I still don't use it to this day.

If I have to use Origin, then I'll likely make sure my VPN is up and I may start learning how to packet snoop to see just whats going on. I've got plenty of time to do it, thats for sure.
 
Limahl said:
Nope, and never claimed I did. Should I? Probably. The problem there is most EULA's are written to be as confusing as possible, so that common folks don't have a chance in hell of understanding them one bit.

There should be a law put into place is that all EULA's have to be written in plain, common language and not "lawyerspeak", but thats another topic and corporations would never let it pass anyway. As George said, they own this country already.

I avoided Steam both because I worried about snooping and I prefer physical copies of my games, and I still don't use it to this day.

If I have to use Origin, then I'll likely make sure my VPN is up and I may start learning how to packet snoop to see just whats going on. I've got plenty of time to do it, thats for sure.
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I don't have a problem with how they're written, have you actually tried to read one and found it too lawyer-ish to understand? I'm currently flicking through the EA one on their website and its not hard to understand. Personally I think if "common folk" wanted to read them and understand them, they could.

My problem isn't that they aren't understandable rather that they shouldn't be there in the first place. They're long and painful and contain features that should be part of consumer protection laws and not just put in their at the whim of EA/Valve/whoever. Actually understanding them isn't a huge problem, the sheer volume of content in them is a bit of a problem IMO.

Things like consumer entitlements/resonsibilities, dispute resolution, liabilities and probably a host of other things that aren't coming to mind should NOT be part of the EULA, they should be part of a general law.
 
Personally I have no problem with Origin, I just don't understand why people are still bitching that BF3 and ME3 isn't available on Steam.
 
The problem with origin that I have found is that it is unstable and crashes often. Just the other day, my friend and I attempted to install BF3 and, after a while of playing around with it because we couldn't get it to work, we called EA support and they said that origin was down and that we had to wait until it was back up..

What I don't understand is: Why would a company release a program that was not completely perfect? Why would you make your consumers buy the product just so that they could beta test it for you?

Makes no sense to me... :/
That is probably why you hear so much complaining about origin... is from people like me who have had nothing but trouble from it...
 
Angelz3 said:
The problem with origin that I have found is that it is unstable and crashes often. Just the other day, my friend and I attempted to install BF3 and, after a while of playing around with it because we couldn't get it to work, we called EA support and they said that origin was down and that we had to wait until it was back up..

What I don't understand is: Why would a company release a program that was not completely perfect? Why would you make your consumers buy the product just so that they could beta test it for you?

Makes no sense to me... :/
That is probably why you hear so much complaining about origin... is from people like me who have had nothing but trouble from it...
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Because there is no way to make a software program "perfect" with the infinite potential combination of other hardware and software people are running. You only look to have an acceptable error rate.
 
Angelz3 said:
The problem with origin that I have found is that it is unstable and crashes often. Just the other day, my friend and I attempted to install BF3 and, after a while of playing around with it because we couldn't get it to work, we called EA support and they said that origin was down and that we had to wait until it was back up..

What I don't understand is: Why would a company release a program that was not completely perfect? Why would you make your consumers buy the product just so that they could beta test it for you?

Makes no sense to me... :/
That is probably why you hear so much complaining about origin... is from people like me who have had nothing but trouble from it...
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I have used Origin since it came out and dont recall having a single issue. Steam on the other hand has gone down numerous times.
 
I really haven't had a bad experience with origin after it was shoved down my throat with Dragon Age 2 and BF3. Steam is the better application but Origin does its job well. Just a little disconcerting that the client still says "Origin Beta" when its being used to deploy hundreds of thousands of games to paying customers.
 
l3thal6 said:
I really haven't had a bad experience with origin after it was shoved down my throat with Dragon Age 2 and BF3. Steam is the better application but Origin does its job well. Just a little disconcerting that the client still says "Origin Beta" when its being used to deploy hundreds of thousands of games to paying customers.
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Dragon Age 2 does not require Origin.
 
jokes on EA

there are NO EA/origin servers in my country.

so= LAGGTARD if i install origin ...

EA MEGA FAIL
 
limitedaccess said:
Steam only games require Steam.

Origin only games require Origin.

That is basically the main difference.
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Steam has a working friends list and better integration with games via Steam works
no joke i spent an hour trying to get in a game with 1 friend the other night because there is no join as party
and when you do find good people to play with you cant just click there names in game and add friend you have to tab out and search and add them by hand

Origin has a long way to go to get up to par with Steam
 
Angelz3 said:
The problem with origin that I have found is that it is unstable and crashes often. Just the other day, my friend and I attempted to install BF3 and, after a while of playing around with it because we couldn't get it to work, we called EA support and they said that origin was down and that we had to wait until it was back up..

What I don't understand is: Why would a company release a program that was not completely perfect? Why would you make your consumers buy the product just so that they could beta test it for you?

Makes no sense to me... :/
That is probably why you hear so much complaining about origin... is from people like me who have had nothing but trouble from it...
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Release a program not completely perfect.. Valve would never do that... Oh wait, I remember when Steam became mainstream with the release of Half-life 2, You think Origin is ugly?
 
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AdamNesvick said:
Release a program not completely perfect.. Valve would never do that... Oh wait, I remember when Steam became mainstream with the release of Half-life 2, You think Origin is ugly?
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Yes, I think it's ugly and I hope it fails miserably even though I know it won't.

I'm so sick of seeing these apologists talking points parroted like gospel fact around here.


I was using Steam back when it came out in 2006.

Granted, I was lucky. I never had one problem with it even back then. I know I was VERY lucky.



I never had Steam make 7 gigs worth of data disappear repeatedly in the blink of an eye like Origin did to me here last week.

Look at the time period and date when Steam came out. It was the first of its kind and Valve was pushing an envelope that had never been pushed before.

This is the year 2012. 6 years later.

This is a huge company like EA with all the resources they have at their command to boot. Look how far the Internet has come in 6 years even in the USA where we're slower than a lot of other countries on that front. Look at the inroads Valve made. All anyone really has to do is "imitation is the best form of flattery."



There's simply no excuses for me seeing the kinds of crap that I've been seeing abroad and personally myself whether it's molasses slow download regardless of time of day or day of week on through to the aforementioned game's disappearing in literal blink of an eye when turning the program on in the first place.

^^BTW, that's a potential concept that really should make everyone take pause. Think about it. This program had the ability..."glitch or not"...to make a product that I paid for disappear SO fast off my hard drive that professional disk cleaning software couldn't have done it faster or better. Windows 7 can't make data disappear as fast as this did.



I've never seen the likes of that with Steam. As it is, I can't even get Syndicate to repair or update itself without some bullshit error message about not enough hard drive space even though the game is installed a on a 2TB hard drive that has 1.5TB worth of space left.

It's at the point where I have to feel lucky when something works right.

It's only because I'm a huge fan of the series and want to play it through to the end that I'm begrudgingly buying Mass Effect 3. At least I'll have the discs so I won't have to be reliant on Origin for the full download but this is it for me. Syndicate was something I got cheap on Amazon and then, of course, BF3 before that. This is it for me.




It's 2012. EA is a huge company. Enough of the excuses and apologisms already. Cut the crap. Get real.

The best thing that could happen for all concerned is EA and Valve burying the hatchet. I know that won't happen though and it has nothing to do with "healthy competition", either.

For a long time everything was fine and then suddenly something changed. What was it? Answer that question and you get to the real heart of the matter.


I certainly don't think Steam is perfect, either. Nothing makes me want to get violent more than when I pay for a product and even for a single player game and I see "game/server isn't available right now. Try again later." That's simply outrageous.
 
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Q-BZ said:
I never had Steam make 7 gigs worth of data disappear repeatedly in the blink of an eye like Origin did to me here last week.
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Steam did that to me just a few months ago. Game wouldn't run after a patch was released, went to verify cache, after 30 seconds of it freezing I check up on it and its deleted the whole fucking folder and is downloading the entire game again when it should have only been a few hundred meg worth of patch (and yes, I checked with other people, it was only a couple hundred meg patch, just for some reason my Steam decided to delete the damned game).

I've also had Steam automatically download patches for me after I explicitely told it not to (which, mind you, is a fucking pain in the arse to do) and take a huge chunk out of my then limited download limit.

Granted I don't love Origin either, but to me they are both just obstacles in the way of playing my games. I don't like either (except for the fact I don't need to keep track of discs and keys anymore) but nor am I gonna let them stop me from enjoying my games.

The main feature I like about Origin is that its something different and since I'm strongly opposed to monopolies, I like that :p
 
Tudz said:
Steam did that to me just a few months ago. Game wouldn't run after a patch was released, went to verify cache, after 30 seconds of it freezing I check up on it and its deleted the whole fucking folder and is downloading the entire game again when it should have only been a few hundred meg worth of patch (and yes, I checked with other people, it was only a couple hundred meg patch, just for some reason my Steam decided to delete the damned game).

I've also had Steam automatically download patches for me after I explicitely told it not to (which, mind you, is a fucking pain in the arse to do) and take a huge chunk out of my then limited download limit.

Granted I don't love Origin either, but to me they are both just obstacles in the way of playing my games. I don't like either (except for the fact I don't need to keep track of discs and keys anymore) but nor am I gonna let them stop me from enjoying my games.
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The point is anecdotes are anecdotes. Every application has the potential to spectacularly fail under the right circumstances.

I remember the Steam shenanigans upon release, it was ugly. Origin, so far, hasn't been awful. I do wish that I could keep all my purchased games on Steam, where the bulk of my games are. But so it goes.
 
Tudz said:
Steam did that to me just a few months ago. Game wouldn't run after a patch was released, went to verify cache, after 30 seconds of it freezing I check up on it and its deleted the whole fucking folder and is downloading the entire game again when it should have only been a few hundred meg worth of patch (and yes, I checked with other people, it was only a couple hundred meg patch, just for some reason my Steam decided to delete the damned game).

I've also had Steam automatically download patches for me after I explicitely told it not to (which, mind you, is a fucking pain in the arse to do) and take a huge chunk out of my then limited download limit.

Granted I don't love Origin either, but to me they are both just obstacles in the way of playing my games. I don't like either (except for the fact I don't need to keep track of discs and keys anymore) but nor am I gonna let them stop me from enjoying my games.

The main feature I like about Origin is that its something different and since I'm strongly opposed to monopolies, I like that :p
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It sure doesn't bode well for the future gaming (or other things) IMO. I don't know why everyone is so eager to suck off the Internet's tit for everything. I'm not one of those people.

I'm still a physical media person to the bitter end ultimately. I tolerate Steam and Origin even less so. *shrugs*



somehipster said:
Origin, so far, hasn't been awful.
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Yes it has for some people and possibly a pretty good number of them.
 
Tudz said:
Steam did that to me just a few months ago. Game wouldn't run after a patch was released, went to verify cache, after 30 seconds of it freezing I check up on it and its deleted the whole fucking folder and is downloading the entire game again when it should have only been a few hundred meg worth of patch (and yes, I checked with other people, it was only a couple hundred meg patch, just for some reason my Steam decided to delete the damned game).
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Origin did that to me, with my BFBC2 download, I clicked resume... and more than 7gb disappears instantly! this was when I was on crappy clear internet. (worst ISP in the freaking world)
 
Jimi_Shuffler said:
Origin did that to me, with my BFBC2 download, I clicked resume... and more than 7gb disappears instantly! this was when I was on crappy clear internet. (worst ISP in the freaking world)
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LOL, sadly that doesn't seem to matter for some of us.

I can download at 25 Mbps most of the time...except on Origin where I have to feel good about 600 KB/second at best. Usually it's 125-300 KB and that's where I simply quit and give up. Doesn't matter when. Nothing I can do about it except avoid it.
 
Q-BZ said:
It sure doesn't bode well for the future gaming (or other things) IMO. I don't know why everyone is so eager to suck off the Internet's tit for everything. I'm not one of those people.

I'm still a physical media person to the bitter end ultimately. I tolerate Steam and Origin even less so. *shrugs*





Yes it has for some people and possibly a pretty good number of them.
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$20 says people do it for the sake of convenience + because everyone else does it.

Personally, I'm buying more CDs and DVDs than ever, though they're supposed to be dying formats. It's no big deal for me to rip them and then store them; the whole process takes 20-30 minutes. Plus, the original copy is transferrable. So when I die, someone else can get some use out of the stuff I've bought. I also never had a problem making images of games. Storing serials is certainly no chore, either.
 
Q-BZ said:
LOL, sadly that doesn't seem to matter for some of us.

I can download at 25 Mbps most of the time...except on Origin where I have to feel good about 600 KB/second at best. Usually it's 125-300 KB and that's where I simply quit and give up. Doesn't matter when. Nothing I can do about it except avoid it.
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Yeah its a crap shoot for me. My connection is capable of around 20Mbps, BF3 downloaded on Origin at 2.4MB/s pretty consistently, didn't take long at all. Steam on the other hand, it depends on the game. I think older or less popular games (or maybe when the publisher doesn't pay enough) end up on slower servers out here in Oz, and I often end up downloading stuff at below 100KB/s maybe up to 200KB/s. Then some more popular games will end up downloading at 600-800KB/s, and occasionally you get a gem that'll download at 1.8-2.5MB/s, but it seems pretty rare. Often it ends up faster downloading from a US server than an Aussie one for certain games, and more than once I've ended up doing the server crawl trying to find one that isn't shit.

The only game on Origin I can speak about is BF3 and it downloaded as fast as anything else on my connection.
 
Q-BZ said:
Yes it has for some people and possibly a pretty good number of them.
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Shall we compare support forum posts? You see how many "complaints" and "problems" you can find posted on the Origin forums, and I'll see how many I can find on the Steam forums?

Pick a piece of software, and I can find 10,000 people who hate it, think it's a piece of shit, says it crashes all the time and never does what they want, that they had some problem with it that they never had with a competing piece of software etc. Origin is not different in this regard.
 
Spewn said:
Shall we compare support forum posts? You see how many "complaints" and "problems" you can find posted on the Origin forums, and I'll see how many I can find on the Steam forums?
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LOL, believe me, I'm not giving Steam a free pass.

Gets interesting if we start seeing the types of complaints, though.


Pick a piece of software, and I can find 10,000 people who hate it, think it's a piece of shit, says it crashes all the time and never does what they want, that they had some problem with it that they never had with a competing piece of software etc. Origin is not different in this regard.
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Sure I can go with that.
 
Q-BZ said:
LOL, believe me, I'm not giving Steam a free pass.

Gets interesting if we start seeing the types of complaints, though.
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Mhmm, just pointing out that "people have had problems" doesn't mean there's actually something wrong with Origin. People hated on Vista plenty when most of the problems people had with it were their own creation; Installing it on old hardware that wasn't supported, not understanding how its security features work, etc. I agree that seeing the types of complaints is interesting, and what's interesting to me is that I see(on a daily basis) plenty of complete FUD about Origin and people saying that's why they won't use it, but I very rarely see legitimate complaints. Forums may not be the best way to gauge consumer satisfaction, but just based on what I see and my own experience using the software there's really no reason to hate on it. Does it have all the "features" Steam has? No, but honestly I use like 5% of Steam's "features" anyway, so all I care about is "Can it download my games? Can it launch my games?" It can do both of those, so it does everything I need it to.
 
Q-BZ said:
It sure doesn't bode well for the future gaming (or other things) IMO. I don't know why everyone is so eager to suck off the Internet's tit for everything. I'm not one of those people.

I'm still a physical media person to the bitter end ultimately. I tolerate Steam and Origin even less so. *shrugs*
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While I'm nostalgic for the big box PC games of the 90s, I think now I prefer digital. It's extremely convenient, sales are better than ever, and it cuts down on material waste as those boxes typically get thrown out eventually. I dunno, I guess I'm one of those environuts that the GOP is so concerned about. ;)
 
drako said:
While I'm nostalgic for the big box PC games of the 90s, I think now I prefer digital. It's extremely convenient, sales are better than ever, and it cuts down on material waste as those boxes typically get thrown out eventually. I dunno, I guess I'm one of those environuts that the GOP is so concerned about. ;)
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When everything works the way it should I basically agree with you.

You ought to see this big black trashbag I'm using for storage in the unfurnished part of my basement for all my retail versions of PC games for the 15 years or so that I've been a PC gamer. Those boxes were so damned big and needlessly so.

I've been procrastinating. I have a spring cleaning job coming...
 
Q-BZ said:
When everything works the way it should I basically agree with you.

You ought to see this big black trashbag I'm using for storage in the unfurnished part of my basement for all my retail versions of PC games for the 15 years or so that I've been a PC gamer. Those boxes were so damned big and needlessly so.

I've been procrastinating. I have a spring cleaning job coming...
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I kept a few boxes for games that were really special to me... Whiplash Racing, H-L, Freespace 1&2, Total Annihilation, UT2k4 Collectors. But then the place I had them stored got flooded and I lost those boxes to water damage. Since then, I've basically lost all of my attachment to game boxes.
 
Another reason I prefer physical to digital is that I like that I can sell it if I ever need to. It would be awesome if Steam had some sort of feature where you could sell your games. The second-hand digital copies could have fewer features -- no multiplayer or nonadjustable difficulty settings or something -- unless the buyer purchased them for a small fee.
 
And it's not even Steam/Origin vs. DVD. I like when sites allow me to just download the .exe installer whenever possible (GOG, gamersgate, amazon, impsulse still?, D2D). Activate once, then it's my game. No fear of my game phoning home in order to delete itself. My wallet will try it's hardest to promote that direction in the market. I'm not going in full boycott, but I will try to do my part to steer the market to the "clientless as an option" way.
 
Parmenides said:
And it's not even Steam/Origin vs. DVD. I like when sites allow me to just download the .exe installer whenever possible (GOG, gamersgate, amazon, impsulse still?, D2D). Activate once, then it's my game. No fear of my game phoning home in order to delete itself.
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Exactly. That's the kind of concept all gamers should be clamoring for.
 
Erased.

Edit: Damnit, there are too many ME threads. I wanted the Demo thread.
 
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