[VR-ZONE] NVIDIA Kepler Power Circuitry Revealed: 300W TDP?

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Under heavy/full load while oc'd, I could see a need for a 300W TDP capability... doesn't mean it will use it.
 
OK. Article is stupid to begin with. TDP != electrical power. They got their "300W TDP" number by adding the max values of electrical input, which being as TDP is a thermal spec not an electrical spec is kinda well....and even then their math seems fuzzy, as I thought that the electircal rating of a PCIe rail was increased from 75W...
 
That was about as uninformative an article as I could imagine. The GTX 560 Ti has two 6-pin connectors with a 170W TDP, so why would VR-Zone immediately jump to a 300W TDP? That's just alarmist fanboi-baiting.

The March 20th part was interesting, though, at least.
 
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That was pretty much the only reason I posted it. That and they claim they saw a board.
 
Skripka said:
OK. Article is stupid to begin with. TDP != electrical power. They got their "300W TDP" number by adding the max values of electrical input, which being as TDP is a thermal spec not an electrical spec is kinda well....and even then their math seems fuzzy, as I thought that the electircal rating of a PCIe rail was increased from 75W...
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I just read the article and it doesn't even use the term TDP. It just says theoretical max power, which is close enough to what you just said. The title of this thread is the error.

It also says that it should be able to run off two six-pin connectors, dropping the possible real-world draw even lower. And it appears to be referring to the top-end card, not the GK104, if anyone missed that.
 
Commander Suzdal said:
I just read the article and it doesn't even use the term TDP. It just says theoretical max power, which is close enough to what you just said. The title of this thread is the error.

It also says that it should be able to run off two six-pin connectors, dropping the possible real-world draw even lower. And it appear to be referring to the top-end card, not the GK104, if anyone missed that.
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*cough* VR-Zone uses TDP in their own article title *cough* ;)
 
Well I see a chip so I am more hopeful about this leek.
Still we saw boards before and got dicked. So this doesnt get instant credibility.
 
DASHlT said:
The 7970 uses 210w.

So no, not all other higher-end cards
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Nothing in the article said how much power the card used - all it says is that it has one 8-pin and one 6-pin connector (and appears to be able to work with just two 6-pin). That is exactly the same as the HD 7970.
 
It will have an 8 pin and a 6 pin connector! How did they find this out, must have some industry inside information! :eek:

I predict it will have a fan!
 
Forceman said:
Nothing in the article said how much power the card used - all it says is that it has one 8-pin and one 6-pin connector (and appears to be able to work with just two 6-pin). That is exactly the same as the HD 7970.
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I was commening on the guy stating all higher-end cards use up to 300w.

I never compared the 7970 to Nvidia's 104gk
 
DASHlT said:
I was commening on the guy stating all higher-end cards use up to 300w.

I never compared the 7970 to Nvidia's 104gk
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Nothing in the article or the comments said anything about the card using 300W, except the stupid headline. His comment, the way I read it, is that all high-end cards (including the 7970) could use up to 300W, just like this one, if all you are going by is what power connectors it has.
 
Forceman said:
Nothing in the article or the comments said anything about the card using 300W, except the stupid headline. His comment, the way I read it, is that all high-end cards (including the 7970) could use up to 300W, just like this one, if all you are going by is what power connectors it has.
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Well like I said he is still wrong.

The 7970 uses up to 210w TDP. 90w TDP less then the 300w TDP he said.

I never once mentioned or compared it to 104gk. I was just stating he was wrong on how all higher-end video cards could use up to 300w TDP.

No not all of them do.
 
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Well like I said he is still wrong.

The 7970 uses up to 210w TDP. 90w TDP less then the 300w TDP he said.

I never once mentioned or compared it to 104gk. I was just stating he was wrong on how all higher-end video cards could use up to 300w TDP.

No not all of them do.
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Again, you aren't catching what I (and I think he) is saying. There is no indication that this new card uses 300W TDP - the only thing that says that is the headline - the article just says that it has an 8-pin and a 6-pin connector, which is exactly the same as every other high-end card. Just because it has the capability to use up to 300W, doesn't mean it will, just like the 7970 can, but doesn't have to. You are mixing up the actual TDP, with the potential TDP (based on the power connectors, which again doesn't prove anything).

Based on the information in that VR-Zone article, the headline could just as easy have read "AMD HD 7970 Power Circuitry Revealed: 300W TDP?" because it has exactly the same power connections.
 
Forceman said:
Again, you aren't catching what I (and I think he) is saying. There is no indication that this new card uses 300W TDP - the only thing that says that is the headline - the article just says that it has an 8-pin and a 6-pin connector, which is exactly the same as every other high-end card. Just because it has the capability to use up to 300W, doesn't mean it will, just like the 7970 can, but doesn't have to. You are mixing up the actual TDP, with the potential TDP (based on the power connectors, which again doesn't prove anything).

Based on the information in that VR-Zone article, the headline could just as easy have read "AMD HD 7970 Power Circuitry Revealed: 300W TDP?" because it has exactly the same power connections.
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LOL I dont care what VR-Zone says about the 104gk, and the 300w TDP. My response was to the person who said "All higher-end video cards are 300w TDP" which is not the case.

Please stop quoting VR-Zone and the 300w TDP, when I made no comparison to the 7970 and the 104GK.
 
nm this topic is dumb... vrzone is just jumping in on posting stupid fucking articles with no information in an attempt to cash in on people's anticipation of new gpus.
 
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LOL I dont care what VR-Zone says about the 104gk, and the 300w TDP. My response was to the person who said "All higher-end video cards are 300w TDP" which is not the case.

Please stop quoting VR-Zone and the 300w TDP, when I made no comparison to the 7970 and the 104GK.
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Arghh.

He never said 300W TDP! No one said anything about 300W TDP except for you. He said "Exactly the same as the GTX580 and other higher-end cards- nothing to see here." - and they are, they all use 6+8 power. The comparison is that the GK104 card, and the GTX 580, and the 7970 all use 6+8 power. You didn't make that comparison - he did! All you did was assume he meant they all use 300W TDP.
 
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Forceman said:
Arghh.

He never said 300W TDP! No one said anything about 300W TDP except for you. He said "Exactly the same as the GTX580 and other higher-end cards- nothing to see here." - and they are, they all use 6+8 power. The comparison is that the GK104 card, and the GTX 580, and the 7970 all use 6+8 power. You didn't make that comparison - he did! All you did was assume he meant they all use 300W TDP.
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The post could be interpreted either way. Due to the post's vagueness, there's no way of knowing what his intent was when he posted it unless he comes outright and clarifies what he meant.
 
this is how false rumors spread across the net.

threads like these should be closed within minutes.
 
DeathPrincess said:
It will have an 8 pin and a 6 pin connector! How did they find this out, must have some industry inside information! :eek:

I predict it will have a fan!
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You should make a new thread!! We can start arguing about whether it will turn clockwise or counterclockwise, how loud it will be, whether its gonna suck or blow, etc. :D
 
Tsumi said:
The post could be interpreted either way. Due to the post's vagueness, there's no way of knowing what his intent was when he posted it unless he comes outright and clarifies what he meant.
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That's true, which is why DASHIT's insistence that it wasn't like the 7970 was so confusing - based on all available actual information (actual rumored information, I guess) it is the same in that they both use 6+8 power. We have no idea what the TDP is, so there is no way to compare those directly. Which is why no one was specifically comparing TDP except him.
 
bexamous said:
nm this topic is dumb... vrzone is just jumping in on posting stupid fucking articles with no information in an attempt to cash in on people's anticipation of new gpus.
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Yes it is dumb! The shit stains on my undies tell better stories.
 
DASHlT said:
http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-radeon-hd-7970-review/8
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Here's where they max at -
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/XFX/HD_7770_Black_Edition_Super_Overclock/images/power_maximum.gif

If you add some voltage to the memory and core and bench it really hard, you can add 100-150 watts to this maximum peak value. If you solder some pots for variable control, or disable OCP, you might add 150-200 watts. Also want to point out that Hilbert at Guru3d has the most unscientific way of measuring card power consumption, while Wizzard measures pull through the PCIE slots and the 6/8 pin PCIe connectors.

DASHIT, you're right about 210 watts as an average playing a video game though.
 
Hopefully MSI will have a lightning or Power Edition with 5++++ phases.


March is going to be here soon! :cool:
 
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WTF is VRZone on? Since when has a card ever used the full power it could be provided with? I've never seen a card that wasn't designed with more power input than it needed, for various reasons. Yes, one 6-pin and one 8-pin means you could have 300 watts of power. However it doesn't mean it will. There are plenty of cards out there with that config, the 7970 being one, and 580 being another, that don't.

My bet? If it really were going t use 300 watts it would be 2x 8-pin. It isn't smart to push things up against spec limits, designing some overspec is good. So if I were the guy doing the power design and we are going to use 300 watts I say "We need more than 300 watts input, just in case."

If it is going to have a standard 6/8 configuration then it's power draw is likely to be on par with other cards.

In other words, space heater, not convection oven :D.
 
Ever since the GTX 480 "will it cook eggs/bacon/steak for you" this is not a good thing for nVidia

Nvidia_grill.jpg
 
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