Samsung Spins Off LCD Business to Concentrate on OLEDs

What if the company launches April 1 and this whole consumer OLED thing goes the way of SED?
 
It's still part of Samsung, so what is the difference exactly?
 
Yes cameras and phones. But bigger screens not costing $6000? I can't wait, but why do I feel some hitches coming on.
 
It's still part of Samsung, so what is the difference exactly?

It's significant because Samsung is a major vendor in the display business, and they're making decisions to support OLED. We can hope that they know what they're doing, and can deliver cost effective OLED displays with fast response times, long life, etc.
 
They're just doing this now so years down the road, it will be easier to sell it off without doing much reorganization. It's simply a long term business strategy. Doesn't mean OLEDs will take take over any time soon since most people already bought there new LCD HDTV and won't see a benefit for OLED. I think 5 to 6 years for OLED to be mainstream with decent consumer prices before people would see any benefit to upgrading.
 
It's still part of Samsung, so what is the difference exactly?

More symbolic than anything. They still pay for the losses either way. I don't see them considering selling it unless they had OLED covering every niche, and by then, who would buy it.
 
We'll have to see how well Sony's crystal LED compares to this.
 
If it's being spun-off it won't be a part of Samsung anymore, it will be it's own entity with it's own board, decision making, budget and stock listing. But it will still have the word "Samsung" in it's name, which will confuse some.

The article states Samsung is retaining full ownership.
 
hmmph, i read a different article, but -1 for my comprehension.
Samsung will most likely sell it eventually or a percntage of it when things become even less profitable for LCDs. Maybe there is even an economic benefit of them doing this to protect them from losses in this newly formed subsidiary.
 
I've only got a vague idea of what OLEDs bring to the table. Could someone enlighten me?
 
I've only got a vague idea of what OLEDs bring to the table. Could someone enlighten me?

Pros (near ideal visual characteristics):
Perfect blacks
infinite contrast
Fast response time
Excellent viewing angles

Cons:
Durability, high sensitivity to burn
Price.
 
Another con is it supposedly has sample & hold issues, same as LCD blur. So they will still have to use a side-technology to nullify it.
 
Another con is it supposedly has sample & hold issues, same as LCD blur.

Not this nonsense again. This is one of the strangest fetishes I see repeated on these boards.

All this means is that there isn't a black frame inserted between each active frame like there is on a CRT. It isn't like we evolved to see the world through a CRT strobe effect.

Take your hand, wave it back and forth in front of your face. What do you see? BLUR.

OMG!, real life has sample and hold blur! Better get a strobe light so that doesn't happen anymore. :rolleyes:

OLED response time is so fast that they program in any Black Frame Insertion interval required, if this were actually an issue that bothered most people, but I would wager most of us don't want our screens strobing/flickering like a CRT.

Complete non issue.
 
I thought "LCD blur" was due to slow response time. OLED should be much better in this regard:
OLEDs can also have a faster response time than standard LCD screens. Whereas LCD displays are capable of between 2 and 16 ms response time offering a refresh rate of 60 to 480 Hz, an OLED can theoretically have less than 0.01 ms response time, enabling up to 100,000 Hz refresh rate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oled
 
Not this nonsense again. This is one of the strangest fetishes I see repeated on these boards.

All this means is that there isn't a black frame inserted between each active frame like there is on a CRT. It isn't like we evolved to see the world through a CRT strobe effect.

Take your hand, wave it back and forth in front of your face. What do you see? BLUR.

OMG!, real life has sample and hold blur! Better get a strobe light so that doesn't happen anymore. :rolleyes:

OLED response time is so fast that they program in any Black Frame Insertion interval required, if this were actually an issue that bothered most people, but I would wager most of us don't want our screens strobing/flickering like a CRT.

Complete non issue.

Sample and hold isn't really the problem. The problem is sample and hold at 60 Hz. If you have an OLED that can refresh at a real 240 Hz, that is fast enough to capture almost every single detail and allow for perfectly smooth motion. Provided that the actual pixels and electronics are insta-snappy and respond at CRT-rate, not with 10-30 ms of lag like on LCD.

It's the same thing as with digital audio. Once the analog waveform is taken at a high enough sample rate, you can no longer distinguish the sampled waveform from the original.

At 240 Hz a single frame would last 0.41 ms. If anyone can detect blurring at that rate they should join the air force.

The other question is whether the electronics will handle it and finally... what our dearest manufacturers will decide to implement which knowing the trend, is probably going to be some kind of BS gimmick like they do with fake 120 Hz.
 
Strobing.. flickering?? I dunno my CRT doesn't give me seizures or anything... but i know motion perceptability will always be better on it. No i wouldn't use a CRT over even the 1st generation consumer OLED monitor that is released. I don't think OLED is bad or anything.

Progressive pixel color shifting IS a bad thing, doesn't matter how fast the response time is.

You will always perceive motion better with black frame insertion, it does not cause an increase in lag or response time.

Without a black frame inserted, the eye has too much trouble differentiating the difference between the previous frame with the next and causes the two to blur together. Yes higher refresh rate does improve this, im all for that. However the likelihood of that being implemented in TV's anytime soon? We'll have to see.
 
Snowdog said:
Not this nonsense again. This is one of the strangest fetishes I see repeated on these boards.

All this means is that there isn't a black frame inserted between each active frame like there is on a CRT. It isn't like we evolved to see the world through a CRT strobe effect.

Take your hand, wave it back and forth in front of your face. What do you see? BLUR.

OMG!, real life has sample and hold blur! Better get a strobe light so that doesn't happen anymore. :rolleyes:
It's not nonsense at all. Real life doesn't sample and hold. It samples at an infinite frame rate, so there is no holding. A strobe light would just lower the frame rate and still have no holding.

LCD monitors don't have an infinite frame rate. An LCD monitor would be like if the strobe light stayed on but objects only moved every 16+ ms. When following motion on an LCD monitor running at 60 Hz, a moving image stays in the same place for 16+ ms while your eyes keep moving, so the image that sticks to your eyes mixes with the image that's still on the screen. That's why 120 Hz monitors appear to have less blurring even though the response times are the same.

There are two ways to solve that problem:

1. Follow real life and have an infinite frame rate with no flicker, which is not really feasible considering the way computers output images
2. Follow what CRTs do and only show the new frame for a split second, but this will have noticeable flicker at 60 Hz
 
You will always perceive motion better with black frame insertion, it does not cause an increase in lag or response time.

You can perceive real life motion with more detail using a strobe light as well. That doesn't mean it is desirable.

Our eyes simply blur any fast changing motion, adding a strobe effect will give some snapshot effect and let you see more detail. That strobe effect of the CRT is an artifact. It isn't more like reality.

But if you use BFI, you create flicker. This will be undesirable for many people, I suspect many more want to avoid the strobe, than bring it back. BFI was tried on a couple of LCDs and pretty much no one cared.

Also they don't use full black frame insertion, because the flicker would be too great, so they do a backlight scan, essentially more emulation of CRT.

I personally hope they don't do CRT emulation, or if they do, you can turn it off.
 
Whats strange is this tech would seemingly be more desirable in gaming monitors more than TV's not sure why it never made the transition.
 
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