Steve Jobs Awarded Posthumous Grammy

InorganicMatter said:
I hope you aren't alluding to Android being superior to iOS in the areas of privacy, cost, and ease of use. Especially privacy, seeing as how Google is one of the few companies out there that's a bigger big brother than Apple. :p
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You really think so? Apple just isn't getting caught is all. Android is much less opaque than iOS, hence why you're seeing much more instances of this. What happens to a developer when they 'out' Apple doing something 'bad'? They get kicked out of the development program and don't get access to iOS anymore. Compare that to Android and tell me the difference. Apple keeps a tighter lid on what they do, plus the fact that they litigate at the drop of a hat or send the police after you if they even think you're doing something they don't like.

Just because you don't see something doesn't mean it's not there, as well as the fact that Apple has been busted before for violation of privacy. So your argument is not only null and void, but shows a surprising lack of information on your part. My argument isn't that Apple is evil or doing anything bad, but simply that it is no different than any other company out there, and probably a bit worse since they keep a tighter lid on what they actually do.
 
so your argument is that google is selling private information but is open about it and apple is also selling private information but doesn't get caught at it?
 
The founder of Napster would have been a better award recipient. iTunes was just a legal Napster clone.
 
I love how some people on here credits Apple for so much....even though it had been done before, and in some ways better. Did Apple influence how thigns are? Definitely, did they start any of it... I would have to think a lot harder to find one, if one exist.

That said, the one thing I think Steve Jobs was good at and should be credited for is his marketing strategies. He was awesome at it, if not, there wouldn't be so many people sucking him off in his grave right now. I'm reading a book (for class) about Steve Job's ability to give a good speech, and while I think that was his strong point... the book spends so much time sucking him off that it's literally boring me to tears. Ugh.
 
Steve Jobs was a very influential figure, no doubt. He brought alot of good to consumer electronics and services (and alot of bad).

But the thing that annoys me about this award is that I had always assumed the Grammy Awards were about the ART of music. What Steve Jobs did for music has nothing to do with the art. He created a brand new business model based on/copied from Napster (whereas everyone else was content to bury it in legal oblivion). While that certainly changed the industry forever, that has nothing to do with music as an art. Or am I misunderstanding what the Grammy Awards are all about?
 
mope54 said:
so your argument is that google is selling private information but is open about it and apple is also selling private information but doesn't get caught at it?
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That sums up a point pretty well. Not the entirety of my argument, but what the hell.

Apple is just the same as any other company out there, but I would even go further and say they are much worse than Google. Think of Google except now Google has complete access to their own hardware, selling a complete kit that they have complete control over and if they don't like what you're doing with it, they can turn it off so that you are unable to use it. Then, when you get around that by jailbreaking it, they release an update which invalidates your jailbreak, tying in functionality with the update. Sound familiar?

Now imagine with that kind of control, they also control what type of software you can run on it. This then gives them complete control over what information you have on your device, which runs on their software that you installed onto your computer. You don't see any way for Apple to have access to all of your information? And you don't see them profiting off of that information?

Here's something you might enjoy reading: http://www.patentlyapple.com/patent...market-with-hardware-subsidizing-program.html

The important part to note is this passage right here:

"Apple can further determine whether a user pays attention to the advertisement. The determination can include performing, while the advertisement is presented, an operation that urges the user to respond; and detecting whether the user responds to the performed operation. If the response is inappropriate or nonexistent, the system will go into lock down mode in some form or other until the user complies. In the case of an iPod, the sound could be disconnected rendering it useless until compliance is met. For the iPhone, no calls will be able to be made or received."

Yeah...Google's much more evil. I can see your point.
 
Happyclam said:
Now imagine with that kind of control, they also control what type of software you can run on it.
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Google has control over what type of software you can run on your Android device. It's called the "remote kill switch". They've used it, too.

Apple has a similar mechanism in iOS, but they've yet to use it. There have been no reports of such a mechanism in OS X or in any other Apple product. Such claims are simply conspiratorial.
 
wonderfield said:
Google has control over what type of software you can run on your Android device. It's called the "remote kill switch". They've used it, too.

Apple has a similar mechanism in iOS, but they've yet to use it. There have been no reports of such a mechanism in OS X or in any other Apple product. Such claims are simply conspiratorial.
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Ehh...not entirely correct. iTunes is its own kill switch and can, and has, erased music/movies/etc. from a device that is synced with it if the computer it is currently syncing with does not have the appropriate music/movie/etc. in its library. This prevents you from easily syncing with multiple computers.

Also, if you remember, there was the whole N-drive debacle back in 2010 where the app mysteriously disappeared from numerous iphones with no explanation given, other than Ndrive saying that is was pulled from the app store, however, I am willing to concede that it was more than likely because of iTunes rather than Apple removing it remotely, but the idea is still the same. Apple is removing software from your device at their whim.

We can go on and on around the bush, but the basic point still stands. Apple is not any different from any other company out there in how it operates and one could argue it is actually more aggressive. As to the original post, Steve Jobs was not an innovator, nor did he do anything for the music industry that would warrant such an award. This was simply an attempt to cash in on a famous person's death in an attempt to stay relevant.
 
ZodaEX said:
I still am?????
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Same. However, not quite so much lately as I haven't really heard a song that resonates (pun intended). I've actually gone back to classical pieces and their various orchestral arrangements.

I finally caved in to my daughter's desire for an iPod. I didn't buy it...it was a prize I won in a raffle. Otherwise, I wouldn't have gotten her one. I asked why she wanted an iPod as opposed to another brand/company's music player.

Her response: "Because the iPod looks cool and the other kids at school think it's cool."

That pretty much sums it up.

I still use my original Zune for when I workout. Just wish MS didn't kill off the Zune. Was looking forward to upgrading and letting my wife use the original.

Oh, and I agree with some who don't think Steve Jobs deserves a Grammy.
 
Happyclam said:
We can go on and on around the bush, but the basic point still stands. Apple is not any different from any other company out there in how it operates and one could argue it is actually more aggressive.
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No, your argument was that Apple is more aggressive than Google because Google has no control over what software you use on your devices and Apple does. That is false.

Your original argument was based on erroneous information and fallacious reasoning. Rather than recant, you simply changed your argument. That's not how civil debates work.
 
Steve was a guy who could take a bunch of stuff that exists, put it in a nice shiny box, mark up the price, and convince you that you needed it.

In the business world that's a great thing and I won't fault him for that. I think the biggest reason I dislike jobs and apple in general is the way their followers think and act. he didn't invent online commerce, he didn't invent the mp3, he didn't do a lot of things people think he did.

I was downloading Mp3s on a 28.8 connection years before the first Diamond Rio came out. I find it hilarious that the roots of Apple/Mac were always the underdog, niche, down with the man type thinking. The new era of apple has pushed all that out the window and a loyal flock of sheep have replaced them.

So home boy deserves a reward even after he's dead for this? No, I don't think so.

Just because you look at your macbook air at night and think about sexing it, doesn't mean the CEO of the company deserves any special credit.
 
collegeboy69us said:
Just because you look at your macbook air at night and think about sexing it, doesn't mean the CEO of the company deserves any special credit.
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I'm sorry but what? How could you have sex with a macbook? Do some of you really get [H]ard for Macbooks in the literal sense?
 
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