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Corsair Force GT - $135 AR
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I was able to look at the rebate form. It looks like one-per-household. If not for that, I would probably buy two and RAID them.
I was able to look at the rebate form. It looks like one-per-household. If not for that, I would probably buy two and RAID them.
At that price I would buy one now and wait a week to the next time they offer it for cheap. Then raid it if you can wait!
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Good point. The older drives use NAND produced at a larger process size. The older NAND can take more write cycles and can hold onto data longer without power.
I'm not really seeing a good reason to get one of these new drives unless you only want to use it for non-critical data that doesn't need to be written super-often (maybe a dedicated SSD for Steam?). The speeds look impressive, but the downsides...
Edit: Some sources say that data on drives using 25 nm NAND will begin to degrade after 8 to 12 months without power... So during operating in a PC, the drive has to refresh old cells constantly, which means burning through even more write cycles to prevent your data from evaporating.
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I thought the Force 3 GT's Opti Nand (25nm synchronous) was the better of its line up compared to the 'Force 3' Vanilla version? So its not a good SSD?
Guess the Red color is a marketing gimick..I bought one though this morning as thought it was a good price..
Guess the Red color is a marketing gimick..I bought one though this morning as thought it was a good price..
It's not even the process that's the issue in this case. Yes, the smaller lithography results in a less-resilient drive, but not all drives are created equal. Kingston's HyperX drive, for example, uses the same 5000 p/e NAND that the Intel 520 SSD uses.
I'm not saying that it's a bad drive. A lot of drives, Crucial's M4 included, use 3000 P/E NAND. For a heavy user like myself, I would feel more comfortable with 5000 P/E NAND, all else being equal, which is why I bought a 240GB Kingston HyperX SSD instead.
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Any thoughts on the Crucial C300 series of SSDs?
Well for $364.99 after mail-in rebate, for the Kingston HyperX 240GB. I would expect a lot better, higher end ssd for that price. As you are looking at another $230 bucks in price. Thanks
I wasn't comparing the two drives, only saying that I ended up with the Kingston. You don't necessarily have to spend more money to get higher-rated NAND. The regular Force 3, for example, uses Micron NAND rated at 5000 P/E cycles. Yes, it's a slower drive, but it may prove to be more reliable in the long-term. All I'm saying is that there's more to an SSD than the controller and sync/async. For most people this is probably an excellent drive, but not for me with my heavy writes.
Fair enough then. I was looking at the 120 version of the Kingston HyperX for around $40 more after rebates kick in. I really like that screwdriver set. That thing is pretty eye catching. Thanks
I think I'll be refusing delivery on my drive after reading these very educational posts. Tomshardware did a top ssd for the money review that was also very worthwhile reading. I think I'm going to save up for a 240gb Samsung or micron chronos ssd.
Thanks
Thanks
I've seen that hierarchy chart at tom's and after comparing it with the dozens of reviews and benchmarks found all over the web I'm going to have to assume that chart is bunk. I wonder if they ranked them by which company paid them the most.
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The drive is an excellent value for the money.
I think this deal would have finally got me to hop on the SSD bandwagon if I wasn't down to $50 until next payday. I've been waiting for a good drive near the $1/gb point in the 120 GB or more sizes. Every time a new gen of drives came out though the price per GB has been shooting back up and it's only ever been the older tech at that price point for medium to large sized SSD.
Need to build up my savings again first after some unexpected expenses.
I do have a 160GB G2 intel SSD in my work laptop and it's pretty nice, but haven't used my desktop enough in recent years to justify spending much.
Need to build up my savings again first after some unexpected expenses.
I do have a 160GB G2 intel SSD in my work laptop and it's pretty nice, but haven't used my desktop enough in recent years to justify spending much.
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3,000 P/E cycle means you can write 700tb in some case before you will see any problems. you are not going to write that much data.
you would have to trash your drive for months on end on purpose with a maxed out write channel to even come close to this happening.
STOP SPREADING MYTHS.
http://www.ssdaddict.com/ss/Endurance_participants_overview_1.PNG
those are some "3000 cycle" drives that are at 700tb of data written.
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you are not going to write 700tb worth of data to a 120gb drive. and the 700tb is the quote for a 64gb version of the drive, it's even higher on the 120gb.
the force 3 is hugely inferior because it can't handle random data. it is not more reliable and it isnt an issue because nobody here is ever going to hit the write cycle on their ssd.
your 240gb drive is still a good pick but there is nohting about 3,000 p/e cycles that means this drive is less reliable.
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http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?271063-SSD-Write-Endurance-25nm-Vs-34nm
there is an educational post. everyone here is just taking a good guess at what 3,000 cycles means. they have no idea and are way underestimating how long an ssd can last.
Hows corsair and there rebates? I don't mind waiting, just as long as I get it. If someone can vouche that they DO give rebates unlike other companies who lie about it and never send you one or come up with a BS story, I'd like to be in on one of these too.
I have gotten the rebate but it took 8 weeks. they give out those prepaid visa cards.
I always do the pre-register rebate on their site. As that sets everything in motion and then once I get the product i then cut out the UPC and mail it in. And just as "gjs278" said, you'll get a pre-paid card with the money on it. Thanks
Thanks for your info; the other posts scared me off a little bit. I need to learn more obviously
For some reason that link is broken but I've seen the thread you're referring to. Apples to apples, 3k P/E NAND will not last as long as 5k P/E NAND. Obviously there are other factors to consider including how the NAND is actually rated, but when looking at IMFT vs. IMFT I think it's a sure bet that on average the 5k NAND will last longer. Also, the sample size is too small in that thread to really draw any statistically meaningful conclusions from it.
I've sent in for 3 rebates through Corsair over the years. I've always received them without any issues. The average wait time has been 6-8 weeks for me. They outsource their rebate program so if there's a problem it's not on Corsair's end but the rebate company, although in those cases Corsair seems to do their best to make things right.
yeah xtremesystems is moving domains now.
the "sample" size isn't really relevant. 3,000 cycles is just a certain standard that doesn't change drive to drive much at all. 3,000 cycles on one set of nand is going to be close to 3,000 on another, and it won't even be the nand that will fail. the controller or something else in the drive will fail before the nand does.
I would be impressed if anyone actually hits the nand cap on their drives before it failed before another mechnical reason.