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Dell U2412M
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Were you displaying the Color HCFR window greyscale patterns while you did that? If so, that's correct. Your green is way too high. Here's how to calibrate better:
Set all colors back to 100. Throw on an IRE 70 pattern and click the little green "play" button in Color HCFR. On the left side of the screen you will see your measures for the three colors in real time. You want each channel to be at 100% or as close as possible (between 99-101%). Start by reducing the highest channel one click by one click until it's around with 100. Then play around with the others to get them balanced. Note that if you bring down all three channels, you're lowering contrast overall - so try to adjust just two of them. Also note that the colors are all relative to each other - so bringing down red should raise blue and green.
Once you get 70% dialed in, check it against the 30% pattern. Hopefully it's still close. If not, mess around until you get it close at both of them. High end TV's have separate low and high controls which make things easier; these displays only have the three general RGB controls so it won't be 100% perfect. But on the flip side, these dsiplays generally track flatter than most TVs so separate high/low controls aren't necessarily needed. As my graph shows, to the naked eye my display is dead accurate.
Set all colors back to 100. Throw on an IRE 70 pattern and click the little green "play" button in Color HCFR. On the left side of the screen you will see your measures for the three colors in real time. You want each channel to be at 100% or as close as possible (between 99-101%). Start by reducing the highest channel one click by one click until it's around with 100. Then play around with the others to get them balanced. Note that if you bring down all three channels, you're lowering contrast overall - so try to adjust just two of them. Also note that the colors are all relative to each other - so bringing down red should raise blue and green.
Once you get 70% dialed in, check it against the 30% pattern. Hopefully it's still close. If not, mess around until you get it close at both of them. High end TV's have separate low and high controls which make things easier; these displays only have the three general RGB controls so it won't be 100% perfect. But on the flip side, these dsiplays generally track flatter than most TVs so separate high/low controls aren't necessarily needed. As my graph shows, to the naked eye my display is dead accurate.
Think is, ive been asking this whole time how to bring up IRE patterns and nobody is telling me. They just say the patterns are in there. Ive checked everywhere, there is no specific IRE 70 pattern, or none I can find. All I could find was going Measures> Greyscale, then it runs through IRE 0-100 automatically and gives me the results after.
I did manage to get this:
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Well I settled with R98, G87, B92, seems to get me the closest. Still a little above 6500K, not as perfect as some people were posting but I cant seem to get it any better. my delta-e seems to all be below 4, so thats pretty good I suppose.
Ill play some games on these settings, see what I think.
Edit: Im actually starting to love it. I can really tell the difference now, colours pop out at me. Very nice..
Ill play some games on these settings, see what I think.
Edit: Im actually starting to love it. I can really tell the difference now, colours pop out at me. Very nice..
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Will I be greatly disappointed in this 2412 coming from the NEC PA271W-SV? I use the monitor mostly for watching bluray movies, internet browsing, and photo editing. I do not game.
I returned my new NEC yesterday due to defects but now I may just have them give me a refund instead of an exchange for another NEC because I don't need wide gamut, i will save >$1000 to go with this screen. 27" is also too big unless I spend more money for a new computer desk deep enough to sit further back, the bigger real estate is giving me headache and eye strain. I will steer clear from U2410, U2711 or U3011 due to aggressive AG.
I returned my new NEC yesterday due to defects but now I may just have them give me a refund instead of an exchange for another NEC because I don't need wide gamut, i will save >$1000 to go with this screen. 27" is also too big unless I spend more money for a new computer desk deep enough to sit further back, the bigger real estate is giving me headache and eye strain. I will steer clear from U2410, U2711 or U3011 due to aggressive AG.
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To me, the U2412 has aggressive AG. If the 2410 has even more aggressive AG coating that the 2412, I don't know how it's usable at all.
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Hah, I literally had a measuring tape sitting in front of me. 15.5 inches exactly.
Received my new U2412M today, zero dead pixel, no BLB, contrast is awesome and black is pitch black, the build quality is great and very sturdy. AG coating is slightly less than NEC PA271W from what I can recall, but the color appear to be a bit boring and doesn't have the vibrancy and pop in comparison to the wide gamut display. something I need to get use to i suppose?
I'm using 10e setting at the moment, still waiting for my NEC PA271W to be exchange, will do a direct comparison when I get it back, for now I think this is a keeper.
I'm using 10e setting at the moment, still waiting for my NEC PA271W to be exchange, will do a direct comparison when I get it back, for now I think this is a keeper.
Ok this is kind of unrelated, but ive been trying to calibrate my plasma tv as well, and with the HCFR program its really driving me nuts. I will choose greyscale measure, then the screen will go black and stay there for 30 seconds, then it will say that the sensor did not collect any data and then continue on with the rest of the measurments. So I get all 0s for the 0 IRE slide.
Problem is, then it doesnt measure all my luminence and color temp properly, so it doesnt work.
What gives? I had this happen with my 2412M as well a few times. Its driving me nuts that I cant figure out why its doing this...
Problem is, then it doesnt measure all my luminence and color temp properly, so it doesnt work.
What gives? I had this happen with my 2412M as well a few times. Its driving me nuts that I cant figure out why its doing this...
Got my U2412M today. It's replacing a HP ZR24W for my gaming PC (other computer is a Mac with the 23" ACD late 2005 model). While the ZR24W had nice color and no noticeable ghosting or other issues for games, the black levels and contrast sort of sucked and my particular unit had strong backlight bleeding in the upper right, plus what I can only describe as excessive IPS glow effect in the lower left quadrant of the screenmuch stronger than the other corners and very distracting.
So far the U2412M seems to have it beat in every respect. E-IPS in general seems to have a lot of glow compared to S-IPS (or whatever better IPS is out there), but of course it's a lot cheaper. So while I definitely notice it it seems to be pretty uniform at least on my unit. Black levels are undeniably better, not a huge difference of course but I think about as good as can be expected for the price range. I also have brightness turned up fairly high so there's that. Besides brightness I'm using 10e's settings and the colors seem good, close enough to the ZR24W that I couldn't tell you one is better than the other really, for my uses. AG coating I don't even notice, since I'm used to it on my ACD which apparently has some of the most aggressive coating out there? Doesn't bother me either way.
Also thinner, lighter, and less desk presence which is nice. No dead pixels or obvious bleeding. No ghosting that I can notice (seems smoother somehow than the HP even though I said I didn't see ghosting on that either). So, so far happy with it for the price, which was even a bit cheaper than the HP. Wish it had been out a couple years ago when I was building the PC. I've also previously tried out an Asus with a TN panel and a BenQ with a *VA panel. TN was, well, you know... couldn't stand the viewing angles even looking at it straight on. VA had nice blacks and contrast but bad colors no matter how much I fiddled with the settings and REALLY bad ghosting. So that's why I stuck with the E-IPS HP even though its issues bothered me. Just couldn't find anything that seemed better in the price range until now.
So far the U2412M seems to have it beat in every respect. E-IPS in general seems to have a lot of glow compared to S-IPS (or whatever better IPS is out there), but of course it's a lot cheaper. So while I definitely notice it it seems to be pretty uniform at least on my unit. Black levels are undeniably better, not a huge difference of course but I think about as good as can be expected for the price range. I also have brightness turned up fairly high so there's that. Besides brightness I'm using 10e's settings and the colors seem good, close enough to the ZR24W that I couldn't tell you one is better than the other really, for my uses. AG coating I don't even notice, since I'm used to it on my ACD which apparently has some of the most aggressive coating out there? Doesn't bother me either way.
Also thinner, lighter, and less desk presence which is nice. No dead pixels or obvious bleeding. No ghosting that I can notice (seems smoother somehow than the HP even though I said I didn't see ghosting on that either). So, so far happy with it for the price, which was even a bit cheaper than the HP. Wish it had been out a couple years ago when I was building the PC. I've also previously tried out an Asus with a TN panel and a BenQ with a *VA panel. TN was, well, you know... couldn't stand the viewing angles even looking at it straight on. VA had nice blacks and contrast but bad colors no matter how much I fiddled with the settings and REALLY bad ghosting. So that's why I stuck with the E-IPS HP even though its issues bothered me. Just couldn't find anything that seemed better in the price range until now.
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Just got my second one of these and thankfully it's looking pretty much the same as the first, within about 3% I reckon (which was a huge improvement on my last multi monitor setup, neither of those looked even close to having the same image).
I do have a question I hope someone can help with though. When it comes to calibration is it best to leave the colour temp 6500k? Also, is 50 sharpness the default "off" setting on these screens or should I be putting that down to zero?
I do have a question I hope someone can help with though. When it comes to calibration is it best to leave the colour temp 6500k? Also, is 50 sharpness the default "off" setting on these screens or should I be putting that down to zero?
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Good coupon for these right now:
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With the current sale it knocks the price down to $299 and has standard 3-5 shipping for free. I've been thinking about setting up another eyefinity system for the house and I just ordered a set of these for it. $897+tax for 3 IPS 16:10 displays is a pretty kickass deal.
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With the current sale it knocks the price down to $299 and has standard 3-5 shipping for free. I've been thinking about setting up another eyefinity system for the house and I just ordered a set of these for it. $897+tax for 3 IPS 16:10 displays is a pretty kickass deal.
The U2412M is fantastic!! here is some direct comparison to my NEC PA271W-SV(calibrated to sRGB). I don't have a colorimeter to calibrate the U2412M properly so I just eyeball it real quick to get it close to the NEC. Brightness set to 34, contrast 75. RGB set at 100/98/89, For 1/4 the price of the PA271W this is one sweet display with incredible value. Looking at the screen up close the AG coating is definitely much less than the PA271W as well, it made me 2nd guess my decision to keep the PA271W.
Took these photos with my Canon 5D Mark 2 with 35L prime lens on tripod, shutter speed at 1s, f/13, ISO 100.
Took these photos with my Canon 5D Mark 2 with 35L prime lens on tripod, shutter speed at 1s, f/13, ISO 100.
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thanks, hope you'd like it as much as I do, the U2412M would be my pick if I work on text a lot, AG coating is practically not visible to my eyes at 1ft whereas I can still see the AG sparkle on my PA271W from 2ft+ away.
Either I'm missing the point or my eyes suck, but I don't see a major difference between the monitors--or is that the point?
[edit] In paint and zoomed, the monitor on the left is more vibrant. I'm assuming that's the NEC.
[edit 2] Given a budget of $500 (shipped), is there anything that would blow the U2412M away? I'd be using it for gaming nearly all of the time and it would be an upgrade from a Dell2405FPW--which was a bargain at $900 when I bought it.
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Either I'm missing the point or my eyes suck, but I don't see a major difference between the monitors--or is that the point?
[edit] In paint and zoomed, the monitor on the left is more vibrant. I'm assuming that's the NEC.
[edit 2] Given a budget of $500 (shipped), is there anything that would blow the U2412M away? I'd be using it for gaming nearly all of the time and it would be an upgrade from a Dell2405FPW--which was a bargain at $900 when I bought it.
for only $320, the DELL U2412M is just as good as the $1450 NEC PA271W-SV when you use it for: games, movies, web browsing, and photo editing in sRGB color space (if you don't need AdobeRGB), that's my point.
And yes the one on the left is NEC, it looks more "full" and warmer to my eyes, because it covers 100% sRGB vs 95.8% on U2412M, when you look at the color gamut graphs comparing the two, you will see the NEC extend deeper into the red channel.
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It will be interesting to see a comparison once you have a colorimeter calibration on both. I'm guessing the blue/green I'm noticing on the photos of the Dell will decrease with calibration and look a little warmer like the NEC.
I've had 5 of these U2412M's and none of them calibrated using the same RGB values. On my left monitor, I'm using 99 88 94 @ 31 brightness and the right 100 98 95 @ 27 brightness calibrated with the xrite i1Display Pro.
I've had 5 of these U2412M's and none of them calibrated using the same RGB values. On my left monitor, I'm using 99 88 94 @ 31 brightness and the right 100 98 95 @ 27 brightness calibrated with the xrite i1Display Pro.
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I'm going to calibrate the U2412M soon to make 2nd comparison again, and a 3rd one to show the difference when the NEC is in native full color gamut.
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It's tough coming to work an looking at these 24" LED screens in comparison to the Dell. I think I'll get some ordered up for our graphic designers.
hello just got the U2412M and i came across a wierd problem
have a 9800gt nvidia with 2 dvi outputs
1st dvi goes to vga =>U2412M
2nd dvi goes to hdmi => led40"
everything works fine exept windows cannon recognize 1920x1200
thats ok i can make a custom resolution and get beyond the limit of 1920x1080
the problem is that games dont have custom resolutions so cannot see 1200
so what i do is
1st dvi goes straight to U2412M without adaptors
2nd dvi goes hdmi => led40"
so here i am digital cable perfect quality and all games recognize 1200
led40" however has no signal
so i try an other setup
1st dvi goes hdmi => led40"
2nd dvi goes straight to U2412M without adaptors
now i can see led but U2412M has no signal
it seems that my gfx card cannot see both digital cables and one of them has to be vga
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALP
have a 9800gt nvidia with 2 dvi outputs
1st dvi goes to vga =>U2412M
2nd dvi goes to hdmi => led40"
everything works fine exept windows cannon recognize 1920x1200
thats ok i can make a custom resolution and get beyond the limit of 1920x1080
the problem is that games dont have custom resolutions so cannot see 1200
so what i do is
1st dvi goes straight to U2412M without adaptors
2nd dvi goes hdmi => led40"
so here i am digital cable perfect quality and all games recognize 1200
led40" however has no signal
so i try an other setup
1st dvi goes hdmi => led40"
2nd dvi goes straight to U2412M without adaptors
now i can see led but U2412M has no signal
it seems that my gfx card cannot see both digital cables and one of them has to be vga
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALP
I have the same setup(1920x1200 desktop LCD, 1920x1080 TV dual DVI driving), and encountered the same issues with my 8800GT.
It's not the monitor, but some interaction of crappy drivers and windows.
I uninstalled/reinstalled clean drivers, kept rebooting and swapping the cables and eventually I got both working. But I have no idea what actually did it. I actually plan to Never update my GPU drivers again. :-(
Good thing I ran across this thread; else I would have chosen the U2312HM (cuz of tft's .6ms input lag), but now I know.
I hope to purchase this monitor along with my rig parts this friday.
What is better about this monitor than the 2312HM? Was looking at that from the TFTCentral review and it seems everything on it seemed better than the 2412M?
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2312hm.htm
Is there something I am missing? Or is it just the extra pixels?
Also, I am mainly a gamer but I the love the color reproduction of IPS panels. Right now I have a TN that is 6 years old I want to replace. Would both of these monitors be good for playing L4D2, Skyrim, Serious Sam BFE kind of games?
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