Hey AMD, you have my $1100, Can i have some official drivers?

munkle said:
I voted my with my wallet as well, sold my 6850 and went to nvidia after not wanting to deal with driver problems anymore. The only downside so far is only 2 displays per card.
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so you are claiming a single 6850 gave you driver problems? Somehow I really doubt that.
 
No issues here and loving my single 7970. I, however, will not invest in AMD CFX again due to the problems I had with 6970 CFX. I moved to my 7970 from 580 SLI and I have been happy...probably going to move to 680 SLI when they release if they're all that everyone says they are and especially if they end up being Q3 or later.

If AMD shored up some of these CrossFireX driver problems I would definitely invest in a 2nd 7970.
 
sk3tch said:
No issues here and loving my single 7970. I, however, will not invest in AMD CFX again due to the problems I had with 6970 CFX. I moved to my 7970 from 580 SLI and I have been happy...probably going to move to 680 SLI when they release if they're all that everyone says they are and especially if they end up being Q3 or later.

If AMD shored up some of these CrossFireX driver problems I would definitely invest in a 2nd 7970.
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Great move. AMD single card support is great. CF not so much.
 
i don't get it. @ OP: you knew there were going to be continuing driver issues and yet still jumped on $1100 worth of hardware. Why? maybe you are a pro gamer and need the fps, i dunno. I guess i could see myself doing that if this was the case.

Bottom line is that you knew the problem was there and bought anyhow, I don't see the point in posting your complaints here. Not like you were or are suprised that AMD has crossfire support issues.

IMHO, i'd suggest you either return the product(s) or contact AMD directly... or better yet, return the products and then contact AMD telling them that you did, and the reasons why, and that they've lost a customer. Nothing hurts a manufacturer more than losing a customer.
 
I waited half a year for the 6970 series to mature for xfire and still got burned by dog shit drivers through the fall and winter game releases. Waiting 6+ months is in no way an assurance that AMD gets their xfire shit together. It's apparent that the software team for whatever reason needs a door kicker to move in and light a fire under their asses.
 
I understand the frustration.. no release drivers yet.. really AMD? But I also have not had any issues with the drivers that came with my 7970's or the RC drivers once I got them installed. No.. I don't represent everyone, just my personal experience as a single monitor xfire user. It's new hardware. No excuse for no release drivers.Wanna vote with your wallets.. that is your option.
 
AMD can shove their silicon up their collective arses sideways, if they think I'm going to buy another one of their cards, with the current $#!tty driver support. :mad: Going team green from now on! :cool:
 
Momo said:
i don't get it. @ OP: you knew there were going to be continuing driver issues and yet still jumped on $1100 worth of hardware. Why? maybe you are a pro gamer and need the fps, i dunno. I guess i could see myself doing that if this was the case.

Bottom line is that you knew the problem was there and bought anyhow, I don't see the point in posting your complaints here. Not like you were or are suprised that AMD has crossfire support issues.

IMHO, i'd suggest you either return the product(s) or contact AMD directly... or better yet, return the products and then contact AMD telling them that you did, and the reasons why, and that they've lost a customer. Nothing hurts a manufacturer more than losing a customer.
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At the street date of Jan. 9th, any reasonable person can expect a non-beta driver with the official feature set soonish? Not a month later and still nothing...

I multibox WoW, five instances of WoW with all eye candy on @ 2560x1600 each instance demands the fastest single card, that is why.
Also, with Eyefinity 2.0 that was promised as a feature set of the 7000 series, I'll finally be able to do eyefinity with mismatching resolutions using 1x 30" monitor and 2x 24" monitor to flank.

Not that I really need to justify my purchases, the green camp has been mum about any release beyond "we expected more from the AMD 7x00 series".
I'm loyal to neither camp, just whichever can give me the fastest card currently, historically, AMD has been faster with coming out with the next gen card, 480 GTX took their sweet time while I was playing on my 5870. Now the situation is the same for this generation.
 
Asking for official drivers is missing the point. I could care less if they are WHQL drivers or not so long as they work.

I've had a 5850 for a couple of years now and been pretty happy, although I usually buy games after they have already been out for a while.

However I can understand the frustration for paying for a top tier card and not getting issues fixed and features provided (although Eyefinity 2.0 is not a 7900 specific feature, everyone is waiting on that).
 
AMD has always been behind in driver development. That is why I go Nvidia. Nvidia has its shortcomings, but the drivers always rock. As a card moves into the twilight, the AMD drivers may outpace the nvidia ones, but who cares at that point.

Since the first major card, nvidia had an opengl wrapper that was near native performance while everyone else took years to catch up. That was a long time ago, and things just have not changed.
 
Momo said:
i don't get it. @ OP: you knew there were going to be continuing driver issues and yet still jumped on $1100 worth of hardware. Why? maybe you are a pro gamer and need the fps, i dunno. I guess i could see myself doing that if this was the case.

Bottom line is that you knew the problem was there and bought anyhow, I don't see the point in posting your complaints here. Not like you were or are suprised that AMD has crossfire support issues.

IMHO, i'd suggest you either return the product(s) or contact AMD directly... or better yet, return the products and then contact AMD telling them that you did, and the reasons why, and that they've lost a customer. Nothing hurts a manufacturer more than losing a customer.
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I am the same guy as the OP.....

You know, I've had AMD GPUs now since the 3850s, to include 4870 X2, 5850,5870 normal and E6, 6990 + 6950 and now 7970s in CF. Why you ask?

Honestly, it's the abused step-child syndrome I think.
You get so used to getting the shit kicked out of you, you keep coming back hoping that someday, somehow, things will change.

I keep saying the same thing after each AMD card......fuck you never again......and here I am......back for more......I think they put some inhalant in their packaging......:eek:
 
AMD's drivers also need to stop with full clock acceleration every time a jpg or gif file loads. I am sick of having 10 degree temperature spikes just because I am flicking rapidly through several tabs.

I also had one of the issues that Xoleras had and the drivers corrupted one of my mechanical HDDs. Of course, that was the drive with data that had not yet been backed up on my RAID 1 array.
 
I have been an ATI fan since the xpert@play98, I ran an nvidia SLI setup (dual 8800GTX cards) for awhile then I went back with ATI to get eyefinity. Sadly I think my next purchase will be back to an Nvidia SLI setup. I really wish they would get their drivers together but it just seems like they can't.
 
hopefully official drivers will bring some more performance - single card here and not having any issues with all games i am playing. BF3 , witcher2 and Batman AC.
 
I think on single card setups there aren't any issues, or maybe just a couple small ones? The only single card fuckup I can remember and vouch for personally is with multi-display setups and using the 58xx series cards due to how low the idle memory clock is. Easy to get around that issue, but I think officially supporting something like Afterburner does where you can set your clock speeds/voltages for different states like idle/multi-monitor idle/gaming, etc. With Afterburner and even CCC you can't touch the idle clocks and speeds without digging through .ini files. Granted, AFAIK nVidia doesn't support this either so it's obviously not an AMD only problem but I'd definitely like to be able to tweak with my idle settings on my GPU through drivers. This was halfway resolved by flashing to a new BIOS (that ultimately locked away your ability to OC the card) but I don't see why it can't be handled driver side.

Anyway, that's how you post a driver problem. "AMAGAD SO BAD BECAUSELULZ" isn't a valid way to bitch and doesn't help anyone. If you've got a problem list it and essplain', Suzy. Otherwise nobody here cares
 
I bought my 560Ti 448cores and still waiting on official nvidia drivers...they haven't come out with official drivers since Oct 2011.

AMD customers must think they are so special :p
 
Morphy said:
I bought my 560Ti 448cores and still waiting on official nvidia drivers...they haven't come out with official drivers since Oct 2011.

AMD customers must think they are so special :p
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Does the 560Ti 448 share the same black flicker issue that the 560Ti had? or has? I'm not even sure they ever fixed that.

Think it's important to note that outside of crossfire AMD is actually pretty good on drivers and no different than nVidia. The issues with crossfire being delayed and not working correctly are very real.
 
Igg said:
Pretty plz with cheese on top fucking now?

Been a month since street release and still nothing but shitty beta drivers.

3 year old cursor corruption bug is getting old.

Get your damn act together.
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Cat 12.3 i.e. March, is what I've heard, for that driver you and I, and everyone seeks.
 
pelo said:
Think it's important to note that outside of crossfire AMD is actually pretty good on drivers and no different than nVidia. The issues with crossfire being delayed and not working correctly are very real.
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I understand you are saying Nvidia and AMD are very similar for single cards...this I agree with for the most part. However, having owned 6970 CFX and 580 SLI I will say that Nvidia is DEFINITELY leagues ahead of AMD in the MGPU space.
 
sk3tch said:
I understand you are saying Nvidia and AMD are very similar for single cards...this I agree with for the most part. However, having owned 6970 CFX and 580 SLI I will say that Nvidia is DEFINITELY leagues ahead of AMD in the MGPU space.
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I think acquiring 3DFX helped them a lot in that area, they were able to take the foundation of 3dfx's SLI and apply the technology pretty quickly, they beat ATI out the door with consumer MGPU gaming because of it. NV also has a bigger software team.
 
Brent_Justice said:
I think acquiring 3DFX helped them a lot in that area, they were able to take the foundation of 3dfx's SLI and apply the technology pretty quickly, they beat ATI out the door with consumer MGPU gaming because of it. NV also has a bigger software team.
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How much of an impact would TWIMTBP-like practices have on something like SLi support on new titles?

The reason I'm asking is because unless AMD starts working more closely with developers and programmers their HSA ambitions won't even make it out the door. You'd figure with such a heavy dependence on software/compiling their future direction requires that maybe they'd start more actively doing just that in the GPU+gaming space.
 
yeah no kiddin. I dropped my dual ati's about a month back because windows kept knocking dropping aero, because it wasn't happy with the video performance. Went to Microcenter, picked up a single nvidia card, and have been rolling with no issues since.
 
Yeah, ATI's reputation for crappy driver development has been earned. 15 years ago I installed an All-In-Wonder card and since then 75% of every ATI product I have used has had driver issues. Its just how they roll.
 
pelo said:
How much of an impact would TWIMTBP-like practices have on something like SLi support on new titles?
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A metric shit-ton of impact.

1) You have TWIMTBP games simply not supporting Crossfire at all due to lack of engine support (Fallout, Oblivion, to some extent Skyrim)

2) You have TWIMTBP games with vendor lockout AA code (Batman: AA)

3) Proprietary features (PhysX) which are programmed in such a way as to cripple performance on software/competitor platforms (Software PhysX only runs on 1 core of the CPU, and written in X87 FPU when in fact it could run full speed if multithreaded/SSE)

The above, and their price/performance relative to AMD is why I'm staying red.
 
Well my 7970 using the recommended RC drivers is stable in windows but artifacts like hell with benchmark tools. Everything stock. May be a fluke and probably is but the fact that no official drivers have been released yet and that the card is defective at stock clocks is not something I find acceptable for the price I paid.

The card is going back for a refund. I'll put my green one in the meantime and see if AMD driver releases get better with time. Maybe I'll give them another try later on but right now I'm not impressed. So I vote with my wallet. And yes I have had both AMD and Nvidia in the past.
 
So you got a defective card and you are blaming AMD drivers. Makes PERFECT sense.
 
Im still kinda pissed off, Running 7970s in Tri-Fire gets corruption or no gains in a lot of games, Texture flickering and glitches. I can live with some of the minor bugs and are just a little distraction but i feel most of the problems will not be addressed with the next official release, i wont put any money on it.
 
Teenyman45 said:
AMD's drivers also need to stop with full clock acceleration every time a jpg or gif file loads. I am sick of having 10 degree temperature spikes just because I am flicking rapidly through several tabs.

I also had one of the issues that Xoleras had and the drivers corrupted one of my mechanical HDDs. Of course, that was the drive with data that had not yet been backed up on my RAID 1 array.
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They also need to stop with lowering 2d clocks too much. I'm sick of screens flickering and tearing on multi-monitors setups with 5 series gpus because of it. my 5970,5870,5850,5830s all did it. I would rather the cards run at full power all the time.
 
I just want to give you guys a big and hearty thank you for all the beta testing you do for AMD. I know you are under appreciated, but for me, you provide a valuable service in determining where I spend my hard earned $$$. You can design the best hardware in the world, but if it can't interface with the software, it is just an expensive door stop.
 
dook43 said:
A metric shit-ton of impact.

1) You have TWIMTBP games simply not supporting Crossfire at all due to lack of engine support (Fallout, Oblivion, to some extent Skyrim)

2) You have TWIMTBP games with vendor lockout AA code (Batman: AA)

3) Proprietary features (PhysX) which are programmed in such a way as to cripple performance on software/competitor platforms (Software PhysX only runs on 1 core of the CPU, and written in X87 FPU when in fact it could run full speed if multithreaded/SSE)

The above, and their price/performance relative to AMD is why I'm staying red.
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1) Not true. It had SLI support because one vendor added the appropriate profiles and did the legwork, the other didn't. There was no crossfire support because AMDs software engineers didn't do a profile. There is no lockout.

2) There was no vendor lockout here either, just one vendor sent people to add a feature, the other vendor didn't bother. Which seems to be the normal situation for whatever reason (lack of funding to software?)

3) Physx has been multithreaded since the begining, but the threads are not assigned automatically (see 3dmark whatever which the physx test, oh and metro 2033), it also no longer has an 87 code and blah blah, it really doesn't matter, people believe what they want. :p
 
The shitty part for me was my 6970's ran well for the games I played them although Rage did suck balls. These 7970's i have have a bunch of video corruption and or non response that needs a reboot to get me working again. They are less power hungry but i want to use them to the fullest.

I have gone back and forth between Nvidia/AMD for a long time and in general terms Nvidia drivers seem more stable and address issues more quickly. I have hope AMD understands what they have here in this amazing product and get in gear. Application profiles and the new CCC are a move in the right direction but we need quicker game fixes and eyefinity and xfire stability to make me stay Red much longer.
 
Kardonxt said:
They also need to stop with lowering 2d clocks too much. I'm sick of screens flickering and tearing on multi-monitors setups with 5 series gpus because of it. my 5970,5870,5850,5830s all did it. I would rather the cards run at full power all the time.
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yea that's the same issue I have and it's BIOS related. The issue was limited to the 58xx series but it can easily be cured if CCC were to support tweaking idle clocks/voltages. Like I said, this isn't a strictly AMD thing because nVidia doesn't support messing with idle clocks and such either, but it would remedy the 58xx issue as well as give everyone else the ability to customize their GPUs clocks from top to bottom.

Having your GPU either at 300mhz mem clock with overdrive enabled or 900-1200mhz mem clock for 2 or 3 monitors is quite stupid. Having the option to change idle to 157/600 would be quite nice :)
 
pelo said:
Does the 560Ti 448 share the same black flicker issue that the 560Ti had? or has? I'm not even sure they ever fixed that.

Think it's important to note that outside of crossfire AMD is actually pretty good on drivers and no different than nVidia. The issues with crossfire being delayed and not working correctly are very real.
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Mine has been fixed for awhile now. That was sooo annoying.



But every one of you complaining about AMD's driver support for MGPU setups w/ 79xx series had it coming to you. It was pretty well documented that AMD sucks in MGPU setups and are late with driver fixes for it. Yet you still went out and bought 79xx's on day 1 with no official driver release even noted. Stop whining and enjoy the other side of being on the bleeding edge.

I still don't know why people buy shit Day 1, but thanks for beta testing it for the rest of us. Flame On! (c) Human Torch
 
Not surprised there are no official drivers. The company is in a nose-dive. I personally think we are on the cusp of using some of their last products. ATI hasn't been a company I've been comfortable doing business with for sometime. All the firings, people getting shuffled around, the in-correct pricing on some of there new products clearly validates everyone's concerns. Sad really.
 
DeathPrincess said:
1) Not true. It had SLI support because one vendor added the appropriate profiles and did the legwork, the other didn't. There was no crossfire support because AMDs software engineers didn't do a profile. There is no lockout.
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I didn't allege lockout here, I alleged NV programmers assisted in the development of an engine that is completely AFR-averse, therefore any profiles wouldn't add good support.

2) There was no vendor lockout here either, just one vendor sent people to add a feature, the other vendor didn't bother. Which seems to be the normal situation for whatever reason (lack of funding to software?)
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Lies. The feature is disabled on AMD. Why are you lying? It would run perfectly if enabled. Nvidia says "it's because AMD didn't send people". What would a development shop look like with Rocksteady programmers sitting with AMD and NVIDIA in one seat alongside? Ludicrous. It would never happen. You'd have AMD employees exposed to NVidia IP and vice versa.

3) Physx has been multithreaded since the begining, but the threads are not assigned automatically (see 3dmark whatever which the physx test, oh and metro 2033), it also no longer has an 87 code and blah blah, it really doesn't matter, people believe what they want. :p
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Ill see your link and raise you my link.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/...cpu-gaming-physics-library-to-spite-intel.ars

Also, yes, Physx 3 was released in June but the latest game anyone cares about (Arkham City) doesn't use it. It still runs on Physx 2 and still runs like shit with software PhysX for no reason. Feel free to post more BS if you want though.
 
I got an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti 448 Core Limited Edition on 11/30/2011 and still have to use beta drivers since there are no official drivers supporting these cards either. So, looks like AMD is following in the footsteps of nVidia (once again ;) ).
 
dook43 said:
So you got a defective card and you are blaming AMD drivers. Makes PERFECT sense.
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:rolleyes: Read my post again before making stupid comments.

I said that a defective card + official drivers still not released is not acceptable to me. Since I need to return the card anyway because it's defective and the official drivers are still not ready I decided to get a refund and wait.

Let me know if you still need me to explain why I'm returning the card :rolleyes:
 
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