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Bill Gates is backing experiments into manipulating the climate on a global scale? Is there no end to what this guy can do (with his money)?

A small group of leading climate scientists, financially supported by billionaires including Bill Gates, are lobbying governments and international bodies to back experiments into manipulating the climate on a global scale to avoid catastrophic climate change.
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Yeah lets cause some volcanoes to spew out tons of ash so we can trigger an ice age to offset global warming :) lol I wish these folks would stop trying to fix what isnt broken. Planet isnt anywhere near it's warmest temperature it has hit in the past. Even if human civilization comes to an end and every man woman and child on Earth dies... planet will still get warmer.
 
BettiePage said:
Yeah lets cause some volcanoes to spew out tons of ash so we can trigger an ice age to offset global warming :) lol I wish these folks would stop trying to fix what isnt broken. Planet isnt anywhere near it's warmest temperature it has hit in the past. Even if human civilization comes to an end and every man woman and child on Earth dies... planet will still get warmer.
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And yet you ignore how QUICKLY its warming, which is the entire issue.
 
Cali3350 said:
And yet you ignore how QUICKLY its warming, which is the entire issue.
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So the clear solution is to spew reflective particles into the upper atmosphere to promote global dimming....
No way there could ever be unintended consequences of that, no sir.

I don't suppose most people here read Miller-McCune, but there was a fantastic article about these terrible "climate-change-reversal" theories a few months ago.
 
Eventually this will be a reality on earth I'm sure, and it would be a great help to all of society as well. More places to live, better crop growth, etc, etc
 
Are these the same people that have yet to get even a semi accurate climate model working?
Do we really want these people actively attempting to alter our climate?

Not saying global climate change is not real. It certainly is, caused by us or not. I am not saying humans are not contributing to the changes in some way or another, to some degree or another. Because I don't know for certain. Problem is, that it seems neither do these guys really. I just can't agree to letting them intentionally alter our weather at this point in time.
 
I figured they were already screwing with the climate so they could tax us for "global warming".
 
GORANKAR said:
Are these the same people that have yet to get even a semi accurate climate model working?
Do we really want these people actively attempting to alter our climate?

Not saying global climate change is not real. It certainly is, caused by us or not. I am not saying humans are not contributing to the changes in some way or another, to some degree or another. Because I don't know for certain. Problem is, that it seems neither do these guys really. I just can't agree to letting them intentionally alter our weather at this point in time.
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Agreed, the sad irony I forsee is that we screw up our climate trying to fix it when it was fine already.

If it ain't broke don't fix it... and we don't yet know if it is broke.

i was a very firm believer in climate change but now not so much, the data is not correlating with the predictions.
 
What I find hilarious is the fact that some people think that the billions and billions of tons of gasses we dump into the atmosphere all the time somehow has no effect at all. So it doesn't accelerate planet warming at all? It just disappears?

Well hurr durr where duz it goez then?!?!11one!?
 
Either climate change is a problem or it's not.
If it is a problem, the fix needs to be something that does not destroy the economy, or our status of living. I'm all for an engineered fix.

I'm against the idea that the only fix is to go back to living in tepees or caves, which is the end game of the "we must reduce carbon emissions" Hypocrites.

It's going to take people with money and the ability to make a decision without trying to make everyone happy to fix this. More power to you Bill.

(Just don't let the win 8 engineers anywhere near this)
 
stop!theradio said:
What I find hilarious is the fact that some people think that the billions and billions of tons of gasses we dump into the atmosphere all the time somehow has no effect at all. So it doesn't accelerate planet warming at all? It just disappears?

Well hurr durr where duz it goez then?!?!11one!?
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Nobody is saying that.
What's being discussed here is the merit of dumping billions of tons of some *other* specific vapor in the upper atmosphere to try and counteract what *might* happen in the future.
 
I see no problem with a billionaire looking into something that could possibly kill mankind. He could be spending his money like Paul Allen whobought a MiG-29 Russian Fighter Jet , a 303 foot yacht, and the Portland Trail Blazers
 
4saken said:
Because that is completely false.
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The earth goes through heating a cooling cycles naturally, there is proof around the world of this geologically and even in the ice. However with that being said, the gases we're putting into the atmosphere certainly cannot be helping it, and are AT LEAST polluting the air we depend on so much.

Our planet is only going to be able to take so much of the negative shit we're doing to it before it throws up on us in some way. We also don't have the technology to move to other planets, or terra form them yet. I'm thinking it's, in the long run, going to be in our best interest to start looking after our planet the way it's been looking after us. :)
 
stop!theradio said:
What I find hilarious is the fact that some people think that the billions and billions of tons of gasses we dump into the atmosphere all the time somehow has no effect at all. So it doesn't accelerate planet warming at all? It just disappears?

Well hurr durr where duz it goez then?!?!11one!?
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An increase in CO2 levels doesn't necessarily mean climate change though, it is only one system that can affect it. If an increase in CO2 coincides with a decrease in solar output, which is what it seems is likely happening now then that could mean a decrease in global temperature overall.

I still think a transition to renewable energies is a smart idea for many reasons, but if temperature falls or at least stops rising this can be done more slowly.
 
Zangmonkey said:
Nobody is saying that.
What's being discussed here is the merit of dumping billions of tons of some *other* specific vapor in the upper atmosphere to try and counteract what *might* happen in the future.
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What's also being discussed is that global warming due to man is "false". Which is what what I was referring to.
 
Bill Gates should invest that money in protecting the rainforest or planting some trees, something that will naturally convert CO2 rather than spraying sulphur dioxide into the atmosphere.
 
matteos said:
Bill Gates should invest that money in protecting the rainforest or planting some trees, something that will naturally convert CO2 rather than spraying sulphur dioxide into the atmosphere.
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At the rate we're able to not protect rain forrest's, and how we're majorly dependent on wood a scientific solution needs to start being developed as soon as possible for us to at least have a backup plan. Our need for wood sure isn't decreasing any, it's only multiplying yearly and if we don't start working for other ways to filter our air, we're screwed. Lol
 
stop!theradio said:
What's also being discussed is that global warming due to man is "false". Which is what what I was referring to.
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I think what most people are lead to believe about it, and leading to alarmist conclusions *is* false.
The current science is so far removed from what most people think about "climate change" that it's laughable.
 
matteos said:
Bill Gates should invest that money in protecting the rainforest or planting some trees, something that will naturally convert CO2 rather than spraying sulphur dioxide into the atmosphere.
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There are more trees on the planet now than there were 1000 years ago.
In fact, increased plant cover and the changing planetary albedo due to irrigation is probably one of the major contributors to the temperature anomaly.
 
4saken said:
Because that is completely false.
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The planet warming and cooling (cyclically or randomly) is a myth? Weird, because I thought it was full of volcanoes at one point as well as nothing but ice at one point too. I kid, we get it, you MEANT "man made global warming"! Moving on...


(Now to everyone (taps mic) Is this thing on?)


Let me state this: If you think the Earth stays exactly the same temperature than STFU plain and simple. You're dumb! The Earth is just like every other living organism in that its temperature fluctuates cyclically and/or randomly. Now add to that abnormal sources and there is ALWAYS potential for it to get offset, point, blank, period (Not debatable).

The Sun has changed temperature, Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars too. So climate change is 101% real, normal, observable, undebatable. The question is and has been is man (homos) helping it along or is it doing its damn thing all on its own. The answer; it doesn't matter because either way humans are stupid creatures and would be busy biting each others heads off regardless. That said we should/will at least TRY as a people (Yes, everyone or it don't work) to look after OUR planet more carefully regardless of whether it's WARMING OR COOLING right at this moment. Remember we have trash in the ocean as big as a state, now lots of oil too (Thanks BP), we have so much junk floating in low orbit we had to start keeping track of it, we blow up nukes like I fart, we cut down trees like its paper (again...lol), we mine so much stuff half of what was there in our species beginning is somewhere totally different now. We need to do more but than you run into problems like below....

Example: The government would be/is one of if not the' biggest contributor to polluting the Earth and yet they're the very first one to try and charge everyone else for doing it while they continue doing it themselves! HAHA!!! Over my dead hot body (pun intended).



Climate Change = Duh!
Government the problem = Duh!
Man ruining the planet in too many ways which particular one shouldn't matter = Duh!

And last but not least...

Global warming = Did you not read the above? :rolleyes:
 
BettiePage said:
Planet isnt anywhere near it's warmest temperature it has hit in the past.
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No kidding?
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Zangmonkey said:
There are more trees on the planet now than there were 1000 years ago.
In fact, increased plant cover and the changing planetary albedo due to irrigation is probably one of the major contributors to the temperature anomaly.
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I'd love to see some data for that.
 
.......are lobbying governments and international bodies to back experiments into manipulating the climate on a global scale to avoid catastrophic climate change.
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:rolleyes:

Great. Now, instead of a stranded ship floating aloft the currents of causality, we can take the wheel and drive this bitch right into the beach. Should be fun.
 
apparently, scientists have discovered that the fact "matter can neither be created nor destroyed" doesn't hold true for gasses entering our atmosphere, it turns out that they simply disappear and don't effect anything! /sarcasm

if you tilt your head and squint, you can make it look like the climate is cooling, if you look at the data with your eyes open, there is only one possible outcome of the data.
 
Mother nature has done just fine for millions of years... now some rich nerds think after 100 years of industrial evolution man is prepared to take over? ... This isn't going to end well.
 
Every time I see something like this I am reminded of the fact that some "scientists" in the late 60's early 70's proposed to cover the poles in black soot to combat global cooling, which was a major concern at the time. Thank god that never happened.

I am not a believer of man made global warming or climate change as they are calling it now. At the same time, I don't discount the fact that we are probably having an affect on the climate. I just have not seen the evidence to prove the damage we are causing and to what extent. Until that time, I think it would be unwise to make any rash judgements or come up with radical plans when the research is far from complete or conclusive.
 
matteos said:
Bill Gates should invest that money in protecting the rainforest or planting some trees, something that will naturally convert CO2 rather than spraying sulphur dioxide into the atmosphere.
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That's not the way humanity as a whole thinks, people tend to think everything can be bought with the power of money.

Think about it as the problem with obesity, instead of having to teach people a responsible life style, it's better to selling the idea that obesity can be cured by chemical drugs and/or dna alterations, that way, they can keep selling trash food to the masses.

Likewise, it's better to further alter the delicate stability of earth's ecosystems, if that's what it takes to keep the zillions of fossil fuels flowing.
 
Syco said:
Every time I see something like this I am reminded of the fact that some "scientists" in the late 60's early 70's proposed to cover the poles in black soot to combat global cooling, which was a major concern at the time. Thank god that never happened.

I am not a believer of man made global warming or climate change as they are calling it now. At the same time, I don't discount the fact that we are probably having an affect on the climate. I just have not seen the evidence to prove the damage we are causing and to what extent. Until that time, I think it would be unwise to make any rash judgements or come up with radical plans when the research is far from complete or conclusive.
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Agreed, the great thing about governments trying some loony scheme like this is that they have to at least answer to us. Super rich oddball Billionares... They don't.
 
While any rational scientist can tell we are having an impact on the planet's cycles and thus continuing down a warming trend in general the exact science is still an everyday process.

I really don't think that manipulating the weather through cloud seeding or however they think they can is exactly a good thing. We have no idea how altering such massively complex weather patterns could effect other parts of the world.

We need to spend much more time and research before even attempting anything on the large scale. Meanwhile the world can scale back its dependence on fossil fuels more and more and increase renewable energy resource production and prevent the ultimate extinction of humanity as we know it.

But I am glad he is investing his vast resources into it regardless.
 
Syco said:
Every time I see something like this I am reminded of the fact that some "scientists" in the late 60's early 70's proposed to cover the poles in black soot to combat global cooling, which was a major concern at the time. Thank god that never happened.

I am not a believer of man made global warming or climate change as they are calling it now. At the same time, I don't discount the fact that we are probably having an affect on the climate. I just have not seen the evidence to prove the damage we are causing and to what extent. Until that time, I think it would be unwise to make any rash judgements or come up with radical plans when the research is far from complete or conclusive.
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One problem with this comparison is that unlike "Global warming", "Global cooling" never reached scientific consensus. It is always unwise to make rash judgments, as even though there is a scientific consensus on global warming, risks associated with certain examples of geoengineering are unknown. The benefits of alternative energy sources on the other hand are not as disputed, but the reality is that for many people, fossil fuels are simply more convenient from an economic standpoint (though not necessarily in the long term). This is why climate change debates end up being more political than scientific in nature.

It was always called "climate change". On a global scale however, "global warming" is an accurate though misleading term as on a whole the planet is warming (that is, the mean temperature at the surface of the Earth is rising). In fact, 2011 was the ninth warmest year on record, with the 10 warmest years on record overall occurring since 2000 (NASA). However, this change is not uniform, so some regions have warmed up much more drastically than others. Some regions have even experienced mild cooling. There are many sources of evidence for this that are quite easy to find. I would like to emphasize that there is a clear scientific (but not public) consenus on global warming.
 
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