RIAA, MPAA DoJ Websites Under Attack?

RangerXML said:
Donno why the site isn't working, those darn hackers (F5, F5, F5, F5....):rolleyes:
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Instead of F5, F5, F5 you can download a free opensource application to hit that button for you and save you all the effort. Low Orbit Ion Cannon...lol;)
just sayin
 
griff30 said:
Instead of F5, F5, F5 you can download a free opensource application to hit that button for you and save you all the effort. Low Orbit Ion Cannon...lol;)
just sayin
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Yeah, and end up with major fines.
 
Zangmonkey said:
Yeah, and end up with major fines.
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I never want to miss the latest, so I'm using this nifty add-on for Firefox that adds an auto refresh (very useful for Woot-offs), because I want to by the first to know when those sites are up again. Setting it to auto refresh 5 times every second on every computer in my house isn't unreasonable, its just staying ahead of the curve:confused:

Everything I just said, I was j/k:D
 
Plague_Injected said:
DDoS attacks are going to become THE form of protest from now on. Just watch.
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I'd put my money on you being right. Just like at every point in history, the ones in charge have the money and the power. The ones that don't have numbers.

Democracy was supposed to have allowed for people to have a peaceful revolution with their votes.
Something went wrong.
 
I'm surprised that no one has intentionally organized a virtual flash mobbing of a website.

As in a voluntary (and legal?) DDoS that doesn't involve compromised zombie machines. There's nothing illegal about a few thousand people reload-spamming a website is there? And it happens through happenstance all the time like during big online sales.
 
krogen said:
What a pointless way to protest though.

I could go outside and yell obscene things and make a whole lot more noise.
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Not unless the site is used to gain revenue.
Then they get pissed.
 
AmberClad said:
I'm surprised that no one has intentionally organized a virtual flash mobbing of a website.

As in a voluntary (and legal?) DDoS that doesn't involve compromised zombie machines. There's nothing illegal about a few thousand people reload-spamming a website is there? And it happens through happenstance all the time like during big online sales.
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Actually you can contribute to a DDoS without owning zombie machines, but your odds of it working are then extremely limited given that you must have both a great capacity for outbound bandwidth and CPU time to actually break a server.

Now with that said here is a tool you can use that while not illegal to use may get you arrested anyways, remember even peaceful protest are taken down illegal by the pigs. Just had a handful of students arrested at my work for simply trying to follow the law during a non-violent peaceful protest.

http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/programs/ab.html

And this command will take down any server that has weaker hardware than your own:

ab -c 1000000 -q -n ([CPU CORES] x10000000) -t text/plain -p (File equal to your upload speed / 10000000, e.g. 10Mbit out use a 10bit file or 1 character)

Remember these are networking tools and you are free to do what you want with them. I am merely showing you what can be done with a tool. You can use a hammer to fix a roof or break a skull the choice is up to you.
 
fattypants said:
I'd put my money on you being right. Just like at every point in history, the ones in charge have the money and the power. The ones that don't have numbers.

Democracy was supposed to have allowed for people to have a peaceful revolution with their votes.
Something went wrong.
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The horribly broken two party system, coupled with the lobbyists and the corruption that comes along with them, and too many morons reproducing and voting.

Without a, "Kill the politicians, kill them all tonight!", style purge it is unlikely we will ever get any kind of justice out of this system.
 
JosiahBradley said:
Actually you can contribute to a DDoS without owning zombie machines, but your odds of it working are then extremely limited given that you must have both a great capacity for outbound bandwidth and CPU time to actually break a server.

Now with that said here is a tool you can use that while not illegal to use may get you arrested anyways, remember even peaceful protest are taken down illegal by the pigs. Just had a handful of students arrested at my work for simply trying to follow the law during a non-violent peaceful protest.

http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/programs/ab.html

And this command will take down any server that has weaker hardware than your own:

ab -c 1000000 -q -n ([CPU CORES] x10000000) -t text/plain -p (File equal to your upload speed / 10000000, e.g. 10Mbit out use a 10bit file or 1 character)

Remember these are networking tools and you are free to do what you want with them. I am merely showing you what can be done with a tool. You can use a hammer to fix a roof or break a skull the choice is up to you.
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Knowledge is power.
In a democracy, knowledge seperates the weak from them powerful.
 
I'm surprised by the Megaupload take down. This is something I expected to see if the SOPA goes through, but it seems like they didn't even need SOPA to pull of shit like this. :eek:

krogen said:
What a pointless way to protest though.

I could go outside and yell obscene things and make a whole lot more noise.
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It will be pointless when the media stop reporting them, but for the moment, they are getting attention by doing this. Not only they are bringing attention to themself, but also to the MPAA RIAA, and people will read about why they are doing that to these crooks.

At least for me, I think that's what a protest can do. The protest itself is not going to solve anything, but it brings everyone's attention to the issue at hand.
 
Hornet said:
I'm surprised by the Megaupload take down. This is something I expected to see if the SOPA goes through, but it seems like they didn't even need SOPA to pull of shit like this. :eek:
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I think SOPA / PIPA would just make it a lot easier for them. Instead of only being able to take down a site once they've gotten years of evidence to back up their case.
 
Q-BZ said:
I'm not happy about Megaupload going down but the roving hack attacks from Anonymous and such are just begging for more attention and blowback from the government which is the last thing I would think anyone would want.
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MavericK96 said:
How much "blowback" has there really been in the past for these things, though?
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By blowback do you guys mean an(other) hour of fame on CNBC? :p :D
 
AmberClad said:
I'm surprised that no one has intentionally organized a virtual flash mobbing of a website.

As in a voluntary (and legal?) DDoS that doesn't involve compromised zombie machines. There's nothing illegal about a few thousand people reload-spamming a website is there? And it happens through happenstance all the time like during big online sales.
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If you organize it, (twit, facebook, other social site, or forums are an obvious way to go about it), with the intent of bringing a site down, you are not on the white side of the law.

Not saying the RIAA/MPAA don't deserve to die horribly in a fire, but it is still illegal pour gas on them and throw lit matches.
 
Props to anon. They keep focusing on stuff like this and I'll start calling them cyber patriots.
 
griff30 said:
Instead of F5, F5, F5 you can download a free opensource application to hit that button for you and save you all the effort. Low Orbit Ion Cannon...lol;)
just sayin
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You don't even need that anymore. One of the Anon members created a web link that opens a virtual LOIC and just keeps nailing whatever site was in the link. It pretty sweet actually. Again you download nothing, a lot easier to say what you are doing was an "accident" now if they get caught.
 
griff30 said:
SERIOUSLY!! Who the fuck would want that??!!!
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i would if it gave up personal details that could be used to ruin his life. I pretty much wont be satisfied til he's homeless on the street or dead in a gutter.


I just wish they would be more aggressive than just ddos.
 
Manaknight said:
i would if it gave up personal details that could be used to ruin his life. I pretty much wont be satisfied til he's homeless on the street or dead in a gutter.


I just wish they would be more aggressive than just ddos.
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well meh, i guess dead is a bit harsh, ruined is good enough for people like this.
 
AmberClad said:
I'm surprised that no one has intentionally organized a virtual flash mobbing of a website.

As in a voluntary (and legal?) DDoS that doesn't involve compromised zombie machines. There's nothing illegal about a few thousand people reload-spamming a website is there? And it happens through happenstance all the time like during big online sales.
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You've never heard of the slashdot effect before, have you?
 
GORANKAR said:
The horribly broken two party system, coupled with the lobbyists and the corruption that comes along with them, and too many morons reproducing and voting.

Without a, "Kill the politicians, kill them all tonight!", style purge it is unlikely we will ever get any kind of justice out of this system.
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So true!
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GORANKAR said:
Without a, "Kill the politicians, kill them all tonight!", style purge it is unlikely we will ever get any kind of justice out of this system.
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The problem with that is you usually end up replacing one form of tyranny with another. Sure, the immediate leader might be a pretty good guy, but there's always another power-hungry despot waiting in the wings. The Constitution was created to try to put mechanisms in place to prevent this sort of thing, or at least slow it down... but without morally upstanding people at the helm, it cannot work, and therein lies the problem. Society doesn't seem to want morality, it wants to do what it wants, but at the same time, a democratically elected government is a product of the population as a whole. Garbage in, garbage out as they say. If you have rotten wood you can't build a sturdy house from it, so you have a problem. Society wants leaders that cannot be corrupted, but how do you get them? Where do you find them? And if you do find them, then you have another problem. Society today does not want people, as it's said, "legislating morality". They want "perfect people" running the show and looking out for their rights, while expecting these leaders to remain tolerant and permissive of the kind of behavior in society that they're not supposed to be engaging in themselves. It's a catch-22. It's not the system that's broken so much as the people being put into the system. John Adams stated, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

Now before someone jumps on the "religious" part, keep this in perspective. A religious person that is honest in their belief - and that's the key here - believes they have to answer to a higher authority for their own behavior. This puts them subject to another authority, and (ideally) keeps them from seeing themselves as the highest authority as government. "Better not steal that, better not take that bribe because God is watching," as it were. It is this kind of internal restraint that Adams was speaking of. The same with the moral part. Morality is simply keeping to a code of behavior and not violating it, wherever that code of behavior originates. Without it, anything goes.

As for the society part, again, the leaders are chosen by the people from the people, and this ultimately becomes a reflection of society at large. Replacing the leaders, through election or violence, will not solve the underlying problem because you'll just be replacing one batch of rotten eggs with another, and another, and another. A godless society will be governed by godless men, who themselves become gods since they wield all the power.

Now I'm not saying you should go out and elect Billy Graham to run the country, though you would know exactly what you're getting compared to some other so-called leaders. I'm simply illustrating how the system was intended by its founders to operate, and how just replacing the leaders with more of the same will not work. I realize people are afraid of having morality legislated and having their "fun" ruined. Hell, the system might be damaged beyond recovery, a possibility I'm willing to admit. It may be time to scrap it and start over, but again that leaves the problem of coming up with something better and it still leaves the problem of the quality of people you're putting in to run the show. It's ugly no matter how you look at it, but I don't think armed revolt is the answer. At least, not yet anyway.
 
^^ Great post.

It never ceases to amaze me how much shit people can talk hiding behind a screen name, mouse, and keyboard even though I basically agree with the sentiments behind Grokanar's post.



XacTactX said:
By blowback do you guys mean an(other) hour of fame on CNBC? :p :D
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No, I'm waiting for someone from the government to start beating the drum on cracking down on homegrown cyber terrorism. Think about it. Think about how this bunch rolls and think about things have been going on an increasing basis in the last 10 years.

All we need is another "crisis." Maybe we're about due for some kind of "Internet crisis" where these horrible cyberterrorists are holding are "free and beloved Internet" hostage and we can't stand for that anymore, etc.


^^ I can already hear a Chuck Schumer or someone like that coming out with that rhetoric.

It's just a matter of time. It's coming. These hackers can keep doing their "fuck you" attacks and while I basically am on their side in a situation like this...what GOOD will it accomplish in the end?
 
LstOfTheBrunnenG said:
Don't get it - they complied with DMCA takedown notices.
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Everyone was anticipating that PIPA and SOPA would pass with little conflict (typical Washington ignorance) so this was likely a long planned move that would have the backing of both of those bills.

If the 7 charged choose to fight back hard the FBI will have a bitch of a time proving they directly violated the DMCA when in fact they complied with it.

I would doubt this is the end of megaupload.
 
Also if you want boneheaded politicians to stop supporting and creating awful bills like PIPA and SOPA ..

Pay the fuck attention to elections and get involved. If you sit on your ass and bitch about in an Internet forum and do nothing to elect intelligent , honest and experienced politicians YOU are part of the fucking problem of why things like PIPA and SOPA exist to begin with.

Stop fucking voting in morons and start voting in people that support your view points.
 
Q-BZ said:
^^ Great post.

It never ceases to amaze me how much shit people can talk hiding behind a screen name, mouse, and keyboard even though I basically agree with the sentiments behind Grokanar's post.





No, I'm waiting for someone from the government to start beating the drum on cracking down on homegrown cyber terrorism. Think about it. Think about how this bunch rolls and think about things have been going on an increasing basis in the last 10 years.

All we need is another "crisis." Maybe we're about due for some kind of "Internet crisis" where these horrible cyberterrorists are holding are "free and beloved Internet" hostage and we can't stand for that anymore, etc.


^^ I can already hear a Chuck Schumer or someone like that coming out with that rhetoric.

It's just a matter of time. It's coming. These hackers can keep doing their "fuck you" attacks and while I basically am on their side in a situation like this...what GOOD will it accomplish in the end?
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Yeah, I have to agree that these idiots do more harm then good to the causes they supposedly support, but you see that every day on these very forums as well so it's not like it's unusual to find people doing so.

Your comment about the government makes me think of a sound bite from back when the healthcare reform was being pushed through, I think it was the Obama's Chief of staff that dragged out the qoute "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste" and I could see the same logic easily being applied to the internet.

If we end up with something like SOPA, or worse, passed it will likely be thanks to sites like megaupload and groups like anonymous.
 
DarkStar_WNY said:
Yeah, I have to agree that these idiots do more harm then good to the causes they supposedly support, but you see that every day on these very forums as well so it's not like it's unusual to find people doing so.

Your comment about the government makes me think of a sound bite from back when the healthcare reform was being pushed through, I think it was the Obama's Chief of staff that dragged out the qoute "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste" and I could see the same logic easily being applied to the internet.
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To me, it's inevitable along with some other things.


Rahm Emanuel said that line. He was just being honest about what they're really all about. I'll respect that blunt honesty if nothing else. He's never been known for being subtle.



If we end up with something like SOPA, or worse, passed it will likely be thanks to sites like megaupload and groups like anonymous.
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Agreed. This is why I was concerned about the blackouts potentially backfiring as well.
 
DarkStar_WNY said:
Yeah, I have to agree that these idiots do more harm then good to the causes they supposedly support, but you see that every day on these very forums as well so it's not like it's unusual to find people doing so.

Your comment about the government makes me think of a sound bite from back when the healthcare reform was being pushed through, I think it was the Obama's Chief of staff that dragged out the qoute "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste" and I could see the same logic easily being applied to the internet.

If we end up with something like SOPA, or worse, passed it will likely be thanks to sites like megaupload and groups like anonymous.
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i have to disagree. this is a war of attrition, as i've said before its going to come down to who sinks lowest first wins...you can't beat this by taking the high ground.because if you do it will get rammed through one way or another.
 
Q-BZ said:
To me, it's inevitable along with some other things.


Rahm Emanuel said that line. He was just being honest about what they're really all about. I'll respect that blunt honesty if nothing else. He's never been known for being subtle.






Agreed. This is why I was concerned about the blackouts potentially backfiring as well.
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Sadly your probably right.

Oh I give him points for honesty, although I was amazed at how the comment was just sort of brushed aside my the news media.

As for the blackouts, I think they could have been very instructive had they been handled differently, and if the sites actually blacked themselves out and put up simple explainations on their sites, with links for those wanting to find out more, as opposed to the non-blackout blackouts they actually held.

For example, in my opinion Google shutting down their search engine for a day, and posting in it's place a simple explaination along the lines of "This is what you can expect in the SOPA passes as this site could be shutdown by any media company complaining of possible copyright infringment" or somethink like that.

Of course this would have required not only taking a stand but being willing to loose a days profits to support your position.
 
Phoenix333 said:
The problem with that is you usually end up replacing one form of tyranny with another. Sure, the immediate leader might be a pretty good guy, but there's always another power-hungry despot waiting in the wings. The Constitution was created to try to put mechanisms in place to prevent this sort of thing, or at least slow it down... but without morally upstanding people at the helm, it cannot work, and therein lies the problem. Society doesn't seem to want morality, it wants to do what it wants, but at the same time, a democratically elected government is a product of the population as a whole. Garbage in, garbage out as they say. If you have rotten wood you can't build a sturdy house from it, so you have a problem. Society wants leaders that cannot be corrupted, but how do you get them? Where do you find them? And if you do find them, then you have another problem. Society today does not want people, as it's said, "legislating morality". They want "perfect people" running the show and looking out for their rights, while expecting these leaders to remain tolerant and permissive of the kind of behavior in society that they're not supposed to be engaging in themselves. It's a catch-22. It's not the system that's broken so much as the people being put into the system. John Adams stated, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

Now before someone jumps on the "religious" part, keep this in perspective. A religious person that is honest in their belief - and that's the key here - believes they have to answer to a higher authority for their own behavior. This puts them subject to another authority, and (ideally) keeps them from seeing themselves as the highest authority as government. "Better not steal that, better not take that bribe because God is watching," as it were. It is this kind of internal restraint that Adams was speaking of. The same with the moral part. Morality is simply keeping to a code of behavior and not violating it, wherever that code of behavior originates. Without it, anything goes.

As for the society part, again, the leaders are chosen by the people from the people, and this ultimately becomes a reflection of society at large. Replacing the leaders, through election or violence, will not solve the underlying problem because you'll just be replacing one batch of rotten eggs with another, and another, and another. A godless society will be governed by godless men, who themselves become gods since they wield all the power.

Now I'm not saying you should go out and elect Billy Graham to run the country, though you would know exactly what you're getting compared to some other so-called leaders. I'm simply illustrating how the system was intended by its founders to operate, and how just replacing the leaders with more of the same will not work. I realize people are afraid of having morality legislated and having their "fun" ruined. Hell, the system might be damaged beyond recovery, a possibility I'm willing to admit. It may be time to scrap it and start over, but again that leaves the problem of coming up with something better and it still leaves the problem of the quality of people you're putting in to run the show. It's ugly no matter how you look at it, but I don't think armed revolt is the answer. At least, not yet anyway.
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Best post I've seen all year. Nice to see someone else who 'gets" it.

As J. C. Watts said, "Character is doing what's right when nobody's looking."
 
Oooh, you took down our website anonymous -- I'm sccarrredd -- pfft hahahahaha *drives away in expensive car*
 
Manaknight said:
i have to disagree. this is a war of attrition, as i've said before its going to come down to who sinks lowest first wins...you can't beat this by taking the high ground.because if you do it will get rammed through one way or another.
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Following that logic anything media companies do to protect their IP is justified since "this is a war of attrition" and "its going to come down to who sinks lowest first wins...you can't beat this by taking the high ground because if you do" people will freely steal your IP.
 
DarkStar_WNY said:
Following that logic anything media companies do to protect their IP is justified since "this is a war of attrition" and "its going to come down to who sinks lowest first wins...you can't beat this by taking the high ground because if you do" people will freely steal your IP.
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i guess i see that side of it too... still though, i don't see anything done at this point backfiring....or at the very least its sort of a damned if you do damned if you dont
 
krogen said:
What a pointless way to protest though.

I could go outside and yell obscene things and make a whole lot more noise.
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As in actual sound? I guess. Anything else, you couldn't be more wrong.

But when a site gets shut down because hackers pulled it down for political/social statement purposes, it gets reported on sites such as this (and discussed), on news programs, and so it is far bigger news than someone acting like a lunatic in his front yard.
 
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