7970 pricing ....

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If these info were true... 3x DVI on 7900s probably means AMD would allow Eyefinity setup without demanding the third monitor to be on DisplayPort... we will see.

Hmm... if 7970 really sells $450 and up, but confirming just 30~50% gain over 6970... I guess current 6970 owners need no worry selling their cards around $300 -ish. After all performance/price defines the market right?
 
The price will be $499.99 for the 7970 and $419.99 for the 7950. There may be some price gouging and limited quantities at launch. As far as the 3 dvi piece that would kick ass but slides show the card has 2 mini dp 1 hdmi and 2 dvi still. Supposed to support 6 monitors out of the box so no eyefinity 6 edition required. Maybe they'll make a eyefinity 12 :D
 
the extra cash will prob come from the extra clocks needed for 3xDVI
 
I heard the low power node on many sites(speculation) simply as Nvidia is holding off for that very reason, as it will not be ready yet. There is nothing saying that the lower power one will not be able to do high clocks, but it is not opimized for it neither.

As far as I understand there was 3 or 4 different 28nm batches, 7900 will use the highest clockable ones but technically not on the HP process and will use GCN, 7800 will be VLIW4 and on a slightly less clockable but also less power hungry process, 7700 series VLIW4 as well and a mix between clock/power of 7900/7800, anything below 7700 will be more or less rebrands, limited bandwidth and buswidth.

So to sum up
7900 highest clocks, highest power, widest bus and most memory on GCN
7800 high clock, decent power, standard bus width and decent memory VLIW4
7700 decent clocks, low power, standard bus width and standard memory VLIW4 or 5
<7700 decent clocks, very low power, narrow bus, limited memory VLIW5

Either way, no one knows for sure quite yet, and it all boils down to how the process is, if they managed to tweak it some it may hit very different clocks then what Nvidia could get out of them, and for that matter, the wway AMD does cards, they simply do not need the same amount of Vram nor buswidth as much as Nvidia does, they do a very different way of "working" after all.

to many reivew sites, nothing offical yet, from my understanding ALL x900 series form now on will be putting all the fancy stuff into process, this started with 4890 again with 5970, and of course the 6900 series.
the x800 series are more for "known" concepts aiming for less performance but less price as well and better margin for AMD and finally the x700 and below are well established concepts that do not need all the fancy bells and whistles anyways.

I just hope all they have said that will be GCN pans out, they seriously look state of the art on a design philosphy and/or concept for sure.
 
:p if you think AMD is charging alot, wait for it.

There is no way AMD would charge much for 30% improvement, and Nvidia to be fair pricing for a boost of 100%(which I fully doubt)

Expect either AMD to lower thier pricing some(after all this is only a possible price, nothing set in stone $449/$549 dual card $649?) whereas Nvidia would be charging close to if not exceeding $600 for single and $700 for dual if there are indeed this fast. Most people like me wouldn`t get one, but for those wanting the "fastest" will gladly buy 1 or 2 of them no matter what Nvidia or AMD charge, its fact, enthusiast and fanbois make thier own rules.

But either way, AMD will drop prices a bit and Nvidia card wont be as fast as claimed, or AMD will retain such prices and Nvidia card is that fast but chews alot of power and will cost alot more then what a few already deemed "too expensive for my blood"
 
The only reason I stay with ATI is the price. If they start jacking up their prices, I'll be on team green again in a heartbeat.
 
Haiku214 said:
In another news, there is a leaked slide from Nvidia about their next gen GPUs. This might ruin my plan on buying the AMD 7970. Most especially if the 7970 is that expensive.

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/21936...early_twice_as_fast_as_the_gtx_580/index.html
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if the card is 50-70% faster than 6970 and sometimes even faster than gtx 590 under demanding conditions, are you going to let a slide hold you from purchasing it? if so, that is just unbelieveable. You will go with slides over a card that is here and now, and is guaranteed faster than any single card on the market.
 
EquaLiZr said:
I had 4 DVI ports on my sapphire 4850x2 card, but never had the chance to use them all :(
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I used all 4 outputs on my 4850x2, recently upgraded to a 3x1440p setup, so now I'm only using 3, but I'd like to investigate 4-6 monitor configurations again soon.

With 5xxx you could have 6 monitors, but had to use flaky adapters to have at least one be DL-DVI. The only reasonably priced,6xxx cards that could drive 4+ 1440p+ monitors, with at least 1 DL-DVI, were the Asus 3 slot designs. The 6990 would work, but I'd prefer to spend a little less money, since my multi-monitor workstation is not primarily used for gaming.

So I'm hoping the 7xxx series will finally have a sub $500 card that will surpass the 4850x2 for multi-monitor use, while only taking up 2 slots. Unfortunately, I have a feeling if this Asus card really does have 3 DL-DVI, that it'll be another 3 slot cooler design. I'll be ecstatic if proven wrong though.
 
I would think the highest price AMD would sell a single GPU VideoCard would be $499, but only if the performance is light years ahead of the previous single 6970.

It sure sounds like the single 7970 will give out similar performance as the dual 6990, but run cooler and much more efficient.
 
I just saw on another site the specs of the card and it's 1 DVI, 1 HDMI, 2 mini DP.
* 4.50 billion transistors, die-area of 380 mm², built on TSMC 28 nm process
* Advanced GCN 1D architecture
* 2048 1D processing cores
* 128 TMUs, 48 ROPs
* 384-bit wide GDDR5 memory interface, memory clock slightly below 1 GHz, target bandwidth of 240~264 GB/s
* 6pin + 8pin power connector required
* PCI Express Gen 3.0
* DirectX 11.1 support
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/AMD-Radeon-HD-7000-GPU,14309.html
 
as far as above, that woould be the reference specs, not to mention the "better" cooler, and targeting 1+Ghz core user ability, memory should be similar to the 6970 in the sub 6Ghz range(overclocking) so around 300Gb/s, I do like the added slider switch im assuming added power for added overclock ability but lose warranty(like the 6990)

So either HP process/node, higher power but higher speed, or a lower voltage optimized for higher speed with increased voltage/heat(higher leakage) SHP or whatever process/node. I like the sound of it, the cooler should be much better, and for the given clocks/performance very much efficent in concept, i.e more work per clock/watt but around the same consumption. GCN as well looks very neato, maybe allowing devs a much easier time of getting the most out of the design and maybe even allowing the gpu to talk more effectively to the cpu so they are less likely to crash or be able to fix things as they happen or whatever.

I am stocked for AMD, it looks damn cool.
 
The prices are disappointing.

They have to try to make up the money they're losing with bulldozer somewhere I guess. I wonder how well these will sell in comparison. There's not a very compelling reason to buy right now game-wise.
 
Boy, if they charge $499 for this card. They are going to hurt themselves something huge. I've seen enough of this card launches to have learned, you just never expect or do you actually ever see greater than 20% or 30% performance increases. And when you do, it's never across the board, it's in only 7 out of 10 titles, something to that effect. There's never a magic driver fairy either that comes along. I know this game very well. Is it worth $499?

AMD was very successful because of their pricing with the 6970. Let's hope they do not forget their roots / lessons in that regard.

I fear that with the firing of most of their marketing people, the very people that would have had the most say in how this product was priced that 7970 is going to be priced out of it's intended market, thus hurting AMD even more.

If it's $499, then like so many others have said, I'm waiting on Nvidia's new offering this time around. UNLESS .... unless there is at a 45% - 50% improvement over the 6970 then I have no problem with the $499 price tag.

For .28, the new features and the 3gigs of ram, I think we will see at the very least $399 to $425. This of course doesn't account for Neweggs expected gouging for an additional $30 - $40 dollars, so I would guess the Newegg launch price to be around $450 - $470. AMD knows how bad anything over $500 would be but once their product hits retail, all the middle men start jumping up the price slightly as to be expected, unless they have had time to ramp up tens of thousands of units at which point, we will see, I'm guessing prices around $425 -$440.
 
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Well if you are using 6970 there wouldn`t be much point in doing so, but then again I know lots of people that bought a 480 and went to a 580 on launch, there wasnt much to be gained there either, but folks still do.

These price for these cards is high if say $500, but then again years ago, it would have been a hell of alot more for even less boost overtop of thier younger brothers in the lineup, to me it is justifiable. Dont think of the boost over the 6970 but rather if you were using a 5870 or 4870 as an example, in which case the jump may well be worth it, for me going 4870 to 6870 is most certainly was :)

Also, if you are using what it has availble such as tri monitor or more and 120Hz at high res with eye candy turned up or maxed, then it is worth it, its up to the user to find that worth, as it always has. 6970 BTW was not that much better in a pricing regard compared to 6950 they were actually quite close in performance when overclocking was taken into account, 7950 and 7970 are probably going to be quite a bit more difference, so therefore the price may be justifiable(that is if the bank account agrees)

Also, I do not see Nvidia having a real competition to the 7900 series for awhile, and if they do, well the 100%claimed boost is going to be costly, no company is fair in thier pricing if they hold the crown, AMD is and has been on of the few that are "fair" in their asking price, after all, these things are not cheap to produce no one should forget that side. You want the best, you go to pay for it :)
 
SixFootDuo said:
Boy, if they charge $499 for this card. They are going to hurt themselves something huge. I've seen enough of this card launches to have learned, you just never expect or do you actually ever see greater than 20% or 30% performance increases. And when you do, it's never across the board, it's in only 7 out of 10 titles, something to that effect. There's never a magic driver fairy either that comes along. I know this game very well. Is it worth $499?
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The 5870 was 40-50% faster and equaled 4870x2 performance.
 
SixFootDuo said:
For .28, the new features and the 3gigs of ram, I think we will see at the very least $399 to $425. This of course doesn't account for Neweggs expected gouging for an additional $30 - $40 dollars, so I would guess the Newegg launch price to be around $450 - $470. AMD knows how bad anything over $500 would be but once their product hits retail, all the middle men start jumping up the price slightly as to be expected, unless they have had time to ramp up tens of thousands of units at which point, we will see, I'm guessing prices around $425 -$440.
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A little off-topic but if you buy from NewEgg within 24 hours of release then you get MSRP prices. They gouge typically within 2 or 3 days.
 
Yes, there were have been few cards over the years that have come out that have been the exception, not the rule.

I wish I had the link, but this past summer, I read an article where someone had averaged out all the video cards over the last 20 years, since 1991 til 2011 and figured out the average performance gains from one generation to the next and that average was only about 23%.

Maybe someone can post that link for the rest of us. I've got to start dinner shortly.
 
dragonstongue said:
Well if you are using 6970 there wouldn`t be much point in doing so, but then again I know lots of people that bought a 480 and went to a 580 on launch, there wasnt much to be gained there either, but folks still do.
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I think the poor thermal and noise situation of the GTX 480 had a lot to do with that. AMD doesn"t really have that issue with the 6970, so they may get less switchers than Nvidia did (although the 7970 should also be a bigger performance increase than the 480 -> 580 was, so that'll help).
 
Remember when you used to pay more for your CPU than your video card?

What happened to those days? ;)
 
UtopiA said:
A little off-topic but if you buy from NewEgg within 24 hours of release then you get MSRP prices. They gouge typically within 2 or 3 days.
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Not exactly true. NewEgg was ~$50 over MSRP for the GTX 580 on release. However, they did offer discount on some cards right off the bat. It took a few months or so (depending on the card) until prices were lowered to $500 flat for reference or near reference designs.
 
wow.... that's a very expensive card... it better deliver higher performance then a 6970 CF or a 6990...
 
I highly doubt it will do better than a 6990. Maybe with specific GPGPU or tesselation workloads...
 
Not to take anything away from ATI. They've done fine by me for a long time. But a friendly reminder. Don't dream, or get your hopes up on performance. Don't cherry pick one specific card that did well in the past and point to it as a valid excuse / reason why the 7970 could be a super performing card. Chances are, it's just not going to happen. You are also not going to see this card for under $400 dollars. However if proven wrong, I will gladly hand over a ton of cash for a 45% ~ 50% improvement over my 6970 or 30% ~ 35% over my Crossfire'd 6970's. If not, I feel more comfortable going with Nvidia this time around for the simple fact, Nvidia does have a proven record of understanding users care more about raw performance.
 
chinmi said:
wow.... that's a very expensive card... it better deliver higher performance then a 6970 CF or a 6990...
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Both 6990 and 6970CF cost way more than $500. If the 7970 gave the same performance, then AMD would have likely priced it even higher.
 
its all speculation right now anyways, and possible prices are not will be priced, they still need to figure that out.

Myself, it seems like AMD or ATI if you will have a much better track record of build quality then Nvidia, not poking anything here, but why would you price a card as your flagship and use your performance cards parts on it, Nvidia make care more about raw performance as you say, but they sure as hell do not care about build quality, they have made this crystal clear many times over the years most recently with the 590/580 cycling parts of the 560Ti to save some coin on thier end.
 
SixFootDuo said:
Not to take anything away from ATI. They've done fine by me for a long time. But a friendly reminder. Don't dream, or get your hopes up on performance. Don't cherry pick one specific card that did well in the past and point to it as a valid excuse / reason why the 7970 could be a super performing card. Chances are, it's just not going to happen. You are also not going to see this card for under $400 dollars. However if proven wrong, I will gladly hand over a ton of cash for a 45% ~ 50% improvement over my 6970 or 30% ~ 35% over my Crossfire'd 6970's. If not, I feel more comfortable going with Nvidia this time around for the simple fact, Nvidia does have a proven record of understanding users care more about raw performance.
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I care to be conservative. Rather not have an expensive space heater in my PC imo.
 
chithanh said:
Both 6990 and 6970CF cost way more than $500. If the 7970 gave the same performance, then AMD would have likely priced it even higher.
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Nah, they have certain cards aimed at certain segments and they can't raise the price that high. My crystal ball is reading $399 for the 7970 and $299 for the 7950 with the possibility of a slight increase (<10%) until nVidia comes out to play. This still leaves plenty of room for overclocked/ fancy cooling & more memory versions down the line.
 
Wiseguy2001 said:
Nah, they have certain cards aimed at certain segments and they can't raise the price that high. My crystal ball is reading $399 for the 7970 and $299 for the 7950 with the possibility of a slight increase (<10%) until nVidia comes out to play. This still leaves plenty of room for overclocked/ fancy cooling & more memory versions down the line.
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Yup, that's my guess for MSRP on the reference designs. Should be available at that price at launch with retailers likely gouging a bit if supply can't keep up with demand.
 
Wiseguy2001 said:
Nah, they have certain cards aimed at certain segments and they can't raise the price that high. My crystal ball is reading $399 for the 7970 and $299 for the 7950 with the possibility of a slight increase (<10%) until nVidia comes out to play. This still leaves plenty of room for overclocked/ fancy cooling & more memory versions down the line.
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I can't see AMD breaking the $400 barrier with a single GPU card.
Won't happen.

All this talk about "I think it'll be $500" is utterly ridiculous since every sign in the universe points to sub-$400 for the 7970.
 
If this thing ends up miraculously being $400 and performance increase gains are somewhere in the neighborhood of 40+% over a 6970, I will buy this on day one without hesitation. Reviews/benchmarks can't come soon enough!
 
addictedto60fps said:
If this thing ends up miraculously being $400 and performance increase gains are somewhere in the neighborhood of 40+% over a 6970, I will buy this on day one without hesitation. Reviews/benchmarks can't come soon enough!
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As an example the 5870 launched at $379 MSRP and was [roughly] equivalent to the 4870X2, with one year between the launch dates (August 2008 vs September 2009). It wasn't unrealistic back then, why would it be unrealistic now? Especially considering the 6900's were more of a "refresh" anyway, with it being now TWO years since their last real generation launch.

Although the 6990 launched in March 2011 so it's only been 9 months.

(I'm citing Anandtech for all these dates)
 
Availability will be very limited in the beginning. If AMD doesn't set $500 MSRP, then the retailers will just increase their margins and charge you that much. It happened at Evergreen launch already.
 
The 5870 and the 5970 also had extreme price bumps from about Jan. 2010 till the 480's came out. When I bought a 5970 in Mar. 2010 I thought it was a great deal at $680 (even though I got a stock 5970 instead of the 5970OC I had ordered) after instant coupon as most other e-tailers were charging $800 or more at the time. Similarly, the 5870's were often $400-$450 plus rather than the $379 list.
 
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