Disagree. Every CRT I had caused headaches and strain after awhile. I use monitors for text and photo editing. Going from a Trinitron CRT to a crappy TN was a huge relief.
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Anyone here refuse to own TN panel monitors for desktop?
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Disagree. Every CRT I had caused headaches and strain after awhile. I use monitors for text and photo editing. Going from a Trinitron CRT to a crappy TN was a huge relief.
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Last year I upgraded from TN to IPS panels. Same size screens but it was still a very worthwhile upgrade... much better color and viewing angles.
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Okay, so for those who don't care about angles and color shift and want to be ignorant, what's the most reasonable TN panel to get ?
So your eyes suck. I get dry eyes and a headache after looking at crappy TN LCDs for a few hours. Also, photo editing on a TN panel? I have tried it and it's virtually impossible.
...wait, you're just trolling, right?
I owned TN panels in the past and was perfectly fine with them. The viewing angles didn't bother me... because I am right in front of the damn thing. Then in 2007 I bought a 37 inch Westinghouse LVM37W3.
I believe it is some sort of VA panel.
Last week I picked up a 27inch Asus vg278h 120hz TN panel thinking I would be fine with it. No.... no I wasn't.
It was way too small. That's just a side effect of using this Westy so long. But mainly the backlight bleed was terrible and the colors were awful. It felt like I was playing games in a cartoon universe.
Blacks were a joke. It was fast as hell though. When turning around in BF3 with a Jet I could see everything clearly. So thats the tradeoff.
I still chose to return the TN panel and keep my Westy untill 120hz IPS panels (if ever) come out.
I believe it is some sort of VA panel.
Last week I picked up a 27inch Asus vg278h 120hz TN panel thinking I would be fine with it. No.... no I wasn't.
It was way too small. That's just a side effect of using this Westy so long. But mainly the backlight bleed was terrible and the colors were awful. It felt like I was playing games in a cartoon universe.
Blacks were a joke. It was fast as hell though. When turning around in BF3 with a Jet I could see everything clearly. So thats the tradeoff.
I still chose to return the TN panel and keep my Westy untill 120hz IPS panels (if ever) come out.
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Photo editing in what sense, some TN once calibrated look good, but most people dont know how to calibrate a monitor, but i agree, any "serious" photo editing, with color involved IPS or CRT is where it is at.
Just cause someone edits a photo doesnt mean they alter colors, they could be doing filters, cropping, blurring or any number of things.
IPS is my monitor preference, too, but I'll take anything over a CRT. I spend 5-8 hours/day working with huge documents and manuscripts. The glare from CRTs is very rough on my eyes after only a short span of time.
After seeing an IPS HDTV screen, I'll never buy a non-IPS TV.
After seeing an IPS HDTV screen, I'll never buy a non-IPS TV.
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ya i had a 19' Sony trinitron i had to go back to using for a few months and the blur of the letters were awful! i had to turn it down to 1280 x 1024 from 1600 x 1200 cause it was so bad.
CRT had their time and sure TN arent the best, but some arent as awful as many make them out to be either.
CRT had their time and sure TN arent the best, but some arent as awful as many make them out to be either.
Perfect vision, actually. Despite the vertical color shift of TN's, there's something inherently stable about the overall image compared to CRT. Also, you're getting less radiation from LCD, which is nice.
It's easy to edit photos on TN. The most important thing is making sure your prints match what you're seeing on the LCD, and to have a decent calibration device. The newer TN's are much better than older models in this regard. Still not as good as IPS, but I've managed to sell to magazines regardless. Users often get caught up in gear rather than in technique, and it can become a cycle that prevents enhancement of skill.
With some adjustment a CRT will look just as clear as any LCD and much clearer than any grainy matte IPS/TN panels from LG. The problem with CRT's is that the focus, convergence, ect require adjustment when changing resolutions and the blacks wash out with the lights on some CRT's. I used a CRT this year side by side with a calibrated TN and C-PVA panel and had issues with text sharpness/focus for reading until I adjusted it properly.
lol @ the Hypochondriac eye strain comments.
Brightness, lighting conditions, back-light flicker, color settings (gamma, color temperature, ect.) sharpness and panel coating effect eye strain far more than panel type.
Like MichaelH said, it is about the technique not the gear. Most people viewing digital artwork have no clue about LCD technology or even color accuracy.
With most media it is very hard to tell the difference between panel types when calibrated and set up side by side (assuming similar gamma, color temp and low Delta E's after calibration).
Example: Which is TN, which is C-PVA?
Display a full screen color from top to bottom and the gamma shift on TN panels is visible (exaggerated by the camera and not the best quality)
TN VA Actual Image
The most annoying thing about TN panels are the vertical viewing angle, it must be set up at the "perfect," height. Height adjustment should be a requirement for TN panels.
lol @ the Hypochondriac eye strain comments.
Brightness, lighting conditions, back-light flicker, color settings (gamma, color temperature, ect.) sharpness and panel coating effect eye strain far more than panel type.
Like MichaelH said, it is about the technique not the gear. Most people viewing digital artwork have no clue about LCD technology or even color accuracy.
With most media it is very hard to tell the difference between panel types when calibrated and set up side by side (assuming similar gamma, color temp and low Delta E's after calibration).
Example: Which is TN, which is C-PVA?
Display a full screen color from top to bottom and the gamma shift on TN panels is visible (exaggerated by the camera and not the best quality)
TN VA Actual Image
The most annoying thing about TN panels are the vertical viewing angle, it must be set up at the "perfect," height. Height adjustment should be a requirement for TN panels.
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Absolutely correct (1920x1200 non-TN) if you are interested in image quality and versatility of your monitor.
My very first LCD monitor was a Dell 2005FPW and it also happened to be my first panel lottery win - I received an IPS panel. I was very impressed how much better than what I had at work (14" LCD TN) and it somewhat started an obsession.
Fast forward to today, I now own 3xDell 2209WA, a 27" iMac along with the original 2005FPW. At work, I use two Dell U2410 IPS monitors. On the flip side, I do also own 3 Alienware 120Hz panels because at the time, I wanted to do 3D Vision. As much as TN technology has come since the early days, the overall picture quality of my original 2005FPW is still better than the 120Hz TN panels.
Fast forward to today, I now own 3xDell 2209WA, a 27" iMac along with the original 2005FPW. At work, I use two Dell U2410 IPS monitors. On the flip side, I do also own 3 Alienware 120Hz panels because at the time, I wanted to do 3D Vision. As much as TN technology has come since the early days, the overall picture quality of my original 2005FPW is still better than the 120Hz TN panels.
That's basically the clincher for me with TN panels. I got an i1 Display 2 colorimeter in combination with the iMatch software using which I have calibrated various types of LCDs and CRTs. CRTs are easy to calibrate, TN is a pain. Brightness ends up around 15% or lower, blue has to be set to 0 before beginning RGB calibration because otherwise it overpowers RG. After that it looks somewhat nice, but then you move your head up/down a bit and the @#$# colours shift. On larger screens this makes it for a joke when doing colour proving.
As said before, *VA displays are like TNs except awesome blacks and horizontal instead of vertical @#$# gamma shift. IPS is quite nice, especially if you can find a screen with the TWA filter which removes the IPS glow issue.
My CRTs are a tad fuzzy too after years of use and lots of abuse (got them used), but they're still better than any LCD I have come across. Pixel density is a joke on LCDs, sub-pixel rendering a necessity to make text somewhat readable and ghosting an ever-present issue.
I would really love to get a lot more space on my desk and not have to lug around one of these tube dinosaurs, but when doing comparisons with pro LCDs said dinosaurs are still the pinnacle of evolution while the LCDs are the three-legged failures
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For work, IPS all the way
for play, TN 120hz > * (until a 120hz IPS hits the market atleast)
for play, TN 120hz > * (until a 120hz IPS hits the market atleast)