October Nexus Prime rumors

Yup, I advise every one to wait for a 1:1 comparison on the camera.

Obviously my GoPro 5MP gives me great quality bedroom action 1080p video/screen shots.

So MP isn't everything. However, I do doubt that the camera is any different from the one Samsung put into the Nexus S. So whenever the Nexus S gets ICS (or when gsii gets it), then we might be disappointed!

We all know Nokia use one of the best camera there is. Waiting for Nokia World.
 
Does anyone else not give a shit about the camera? If I want quality photos I'm going to whip out the DSLR... every phone I've ever had has taken good enough photos for emailing, texting or posting to a social network.
 
I care about cameras because the best camera is the one you have on you and I don't make it a habit to have my dSLR ready to "whip out" of anything much less my pocket at a party or bar.
 
Zorachus said:
http://www.samsung.com/us/register/galaxynexus/

Sadly this link with all carriers showing up for the new Nexus, is nothing but a wet dream, and you will wake up with with your smelly dog kissing you good morning to reality.

It really sucks Verizon got the rights to this phone first, exclusivity sucks for smartphones. I hate Apple, but they do it right, release it on the three biggest U.S. carriers at the same time, and across dozens of other carriers world wide.

Plus their updates always make it the older generation phone at the same time the new device launches. iOS5 came out Wednesday the 12th for the old iPhone4, and then on Friday the 14th, the new gen iPhone4S released.

Google how bout doing it this way. Release the Galaxy-Nexus on all three major U.S. carriers on the same date, and also have Android 4.0 ready to install across all Android phones made in 2011.

Yeah, then I woke up.
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Really? Apple release their phone on all carriers? You forgot about the 3 year AT&T exclusive already?

You also seem to have a poor understanding of how this market works. Google doesn't release anything, in case you didn't know. Samsung makes a phone (together with google), and then has to beg the carriers nicely to sell their phones. Which they may do, but only if samsung agrees to bloatware etc, and possibly not selling to the other carriers. Because of course we can't have direct competition, where the same phone is on several carriers and customers chose base on price. You know, like almost every other industry.
 
mope54 said:
I care about cameras because the best camera is the one you have on you and I don't make it a habit to have my dSLR ready to "whip out" of anything much less my pocket at a party or bar.
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I have yet to see a picture at a party or a bar that was worth taking out any camera for.. I agree that as long as the camera is decent for downsized web pictures (~1.5 MP or so?) that's fine with me.
 
ObiDamnKenobi said:
Really? Apple release their phone on all carriers? You forgot about the 3 year AT&T exclusive already?

You also seem to have a poor understanding of how this market works. Google doesn't release anything, in case you didn't know. Samsung makes a phone (together with google), and then has to beg the carriers nicely to sell their phones. Which they may do, but only if samsung agrees to bloatware etc, and possibly not selling to the other carriers. Because of course we can't have direct competition, where the same phone is on several carriers and customers chose base on price. You know, like almost every other industry.
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Neither iOS nor WP7 have carrier bloatware that can't be uninstalled (short of rooting or loading a new ROM). That is exclusive to Android.
 
Zorachus said:
http://www.samsung.com/us/register/galaxynexus/

Sadly this link with all carriers showing up for the new Nexus, is nothing but a wet dream, and you will wake up with with your smelly dog kissing you good morning to reality.

It really sucks Verizon got the rights to this phone first, exclusivity sucks for smartphones. I hate Apple, but they do it right, release it on the three biggest U.S. carriers at the same time, and across dozens of other carriers world wide.

Plus their updates always make it the older generation phone at the same time the new device launches. iOS5 came out Wednesday the 12th for the old iPhone4, and then on Friday the 14th, the new gen iPhone4S released.

Google how bout doing it this way. Release the Galaxy-Nexus on all three major U.S. carriers on the same date, and also have Android 4.0 ready to install across all Android phones made in 2011.

Yeah, then I woke up.
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But isn't verizon the best network?
My ATT sucks now.
 
mattchapman said:
But isn't verizon the best network?
My ATT sucks now.
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"Best" as in it has the most coverage and fastest (4G) speeds, but you definitely pay for it. Fortunately I'm on Verizon (with unlimited data still) so I'm glad it's coming to it first. People on other carriers shouldn't bitch too much because they got the Galaxy S2. If it came to Verizon, I would already have that because I can't stand my Droid anymore. But I think it still sucks for Verizon users because the other carriers get BOTH the Galaxy Nexus and the Galaxy S2, they just have to wait for the GN a bit longer. Prolly a month or 2 at most.
 
CHANG3D said:
Yup, I advise every one to wait for a 1:1 comparison on the camera.

Obviously my GoPro 5MP gives me great quality bedroom action 1080p video/screen shots.

So MP isn't everything. However, I do doubt that the camera is any different from the one Samsung put into the Nexus S. So whenever the Nexus S gets ICS (or when gsii gets it), then we might be disappointed!

We all know Nokia use one of the best camera there is. Waiting for Nokia World.
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Yup. I'm waiting for 1:1 camera comparisons....that will make or break this phone for me. If it's anything like the horrific camera that's in the Nexus I'll pass for the Galaxy 2HD that was already released in Korea. Google really screwed up by not throwing an HD screen on the Galaxy 2 and calling it a day.
 
mope54 said:
I care about cameras because the best camera is the one you have on you and I don't make it a habit to have my dSLR ready to "whip out" of anything much less my pocket at a party or bar.
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Many do not have DSLR camera and many do not want to carry one all the time and its real nice to have a point and shoot camera on a cell phone and not have to carry additional stuff. Real simple to understand
 
mope54 said:
I care about cameras because the best camera is the one you have on you and I don't make it a habit to have my dSLR ready to "whip out" of anything much less my pocket at a party or bar.
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Right, and just about any smart phone these days will take a bar-worthy photo.... Is an 8 MP grainy, dark, out of focus photo any better than a grainy, dark, out of focus 5 MP photo?

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SR45 said:
Many do not have DSLR camera and many do not want to carry one all the time and its real nice to have a point and shoot camera on a cell phone and not have to carry additional stuff. Real simple to understand
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Sure, but is the difference between a crappy 5 MP camera and a crappy 8 MP camera a deal breaker? not for me
 
sorry this may have already been asked but anyone going to upgrade from their nexus s to this phone?

im debating, i currently have a nexus s that replaced my nexus one. i almost feel i have to get the prime, but i dont want to get into that fanboyism :eek: the nexus s does everything amazing and will get ICS, so not sure what to do at this point :confused:
 
sgrinavi said:
Right, and just about any smart phone these days will take a bar-worthy photo.... Is an 8 MP grainy, dark, out of focus photo any better than a grainy, dark, out of focus 5 MP photo?

Sure, but is the difference between a crappy 5 MP camera and a crappy 8 MP camera a deal breaker? not for me
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It's not about megapixels.....it's about how good the camera's sensors are. People are complaining that it has a horrible camera just like the Nexus S did. I would rather have a good quality 5MP picture over a poor quality 8MP picture any day. Unfortunately it looks like this phone has a crappy camera.
 
Blown 89 said:
It's not about megapixels.....it's about how good the camera's sensors are. People are complaining that it has a horrible camera just like the Nexus S did. I would rather have a good quality 5MP picture over a poor quality 8MP picture any day. Unfortunately it looks like this phone has a crappy camera.
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In a dark bar the best and the worst cell phone sensors in the world would be indistinguishable in their crappyness. Why bother..

I've seen iphone 4 indoor shots, they're pretty terrible and not suitable for anything above 640x480. And that's supposed to be the better one..
 
ObiDamnKenobi said:
In a dark bar the best and the worst cell phone sensors in the world would be indistinguishable in their crappyness. Why bother..

I've seen iphone 4 indoor shots, they're pretty terrible and not suitable for anything above 640x480. And that's supposed to be the better one..
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My Vibrant takes spectacular shots in dark settings without a flash.....I took a bunch of pictures this weekend in a low lit bar and it performed much better than the Evo, Nexus S, and iPhones when the subjects were outside of their flash ranges. Maybe you need to learn to use your camera's settings better.
 
ObiDamnKenobi said:
In a dark bar the best and the worst cell phone sensors in the world would be indistinguishable in their crappyness. Why bother..

I've seen iphone 4 indoor shots, they're pretty terrible and not suitable for anything above 640x480. And that's supposed to be the better one..
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Many of the newer and better mobile cameras are just fine for both indoor and outdoor shots so long as you aren't expecting to be making poster sized prints out of them. Hell, they're probably better than most point and shoot film cameras from before.
 
Heck, didn't Nokia filmed their commercial(s) using their Carl Zeiss backed cameras in their phones?

So saying phone camera are all terrible is a very stupid comment.
 
CHANG3D said:
Heck, didn't Nokia filmed their commercial(s) using their Carl Zeiss backed cameras in their phones?

So saying phone camera are all terrible is a very stupid comment.
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I agree, not all are bad. It has a lot to do with lens quality and size, which the vast majority lack.

Samsung Flipshot anyone?
 
MrMike said:
I agree, not all are bad. It has a lot to do with lens quality and size, which the vast majority lack.

Samsung Flipshot anyone?
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My friend has one of those on Verizon (I think), the most amusing part is the lense that extends out like the old point and shoots used to :D Been trying to convince him to get a newer phone, just like he's trying to convince me to get TOR, lol...


That and the LCD could be twisted around to act like a large live preview display :)
 
obs said:
Many of the newer and better mobile cameras are just fine for both indoor and outdoor shots so long as you aren't expecting to be making poster sized prints out of them. Hell, they're probably better than most point and shoot film cameras from before.
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I have a Canon point-and-shoot that is well rated. Frequently when we take my daughter somewhere and we want to take pictures, my girlfriend takes a few pictures with the Canon and then asks for my Epic 4G... she seems to get better shots out of it than the dedicated 12 MP camera with optical zoom.
 
CHANG3D said:
Heck, didn't Nokia filmed their commercial(s) using their Carl Zeiss backed cameras in their phones?

So saying phone camera are all terrible is a very stupid comment.
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Really? Stupid?

Perhaps not 100% correct, but not stupid.

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The point is that not having a good camera on a cell phone is not a deal breaker.... for me
 
The screen is the crappy rgbg amoled screen (opposed to rbg). Guess I am not getting this phone then because I cannot stand that type of pixel arrangement.
 
munkle said:
The screen is the crappy rgbg amoled screen (opposed to rbg). Guess I am not getting this phone then because I cannot stand that type of pixel arrangement.
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How would you even be able to tell at 326ppi?
 
munkle said:
The screen is the crappy rgbg amoled screen (opposed to rbg). Guess I am not getting this phone then because I cannot stand that type of pixel arrangement.
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At that pixel density?!? Oh, my, Stan Lee need to send that History Channel film crew to your house. Frakking super vision!
 
Ive been hearing that the GPU on the Nexus is outdated, if so how outdated is the SGX540 GPU?
 
iYoYo said:
Ive been hearing that the GPU on the Nexus is outdated, if so how outdated is the SGX540 GPU?
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People talking about how outdated and slow the SGX540 GPU is don't really know what they're talking about.

The SGX540 is a very powerful GPU that has been bottlenecked by SoCs with crappy slow LPDDR1 single-channel memory for the 18 months it has been in production. Recently it's been added to Cortex-A9 SoCs that use dual-channel LPDDR2 with dual memory controllers.

Smartphone GPUs are limited primarily by the speed of the phone's memory bandwidth, and generally run at a fraction of the clock speed they are capable of because of those limitations. Remove those limitations, and you can apply the clock speeds the GPU is truly capable of.

SGX540 in Hummingbird (Galaxy S): clocked at 200 MHz and tied to single-channel LPDDR1 memory
SGX540 in OMAP 4430 (Droid 3, Bionic): clocked at 304 MHz and tied to dual-channel LPDDR2 memory
SGX540 in OMAP 4460 (Galaxy Nexus): clocked at 384 MHz and tied to dual-channel LPDDR2 memory.

Result: Faster than Qualcomm's Adreno 220 and NVIDIA's Tegra 2 ULP GeForce. Slower than SGX543MP2 in iPhone 4S and Mali-400 MP4 in Exynos 4210 in Galaxy S II.
 
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There, you just said it. Slower than Mali-400 that's on a phone announced/released in Q1. Marginal differences that no one would really notice under similar conditions, except you have way more pixels to drive in the Nexus Prime. Games will run like shit.

The only reason they're using this gpu is because TI has nothing better until OMAP4470 - and that gpu isn't all that amazing either. And what reason do we have for TI's OMAP? Oh right, Google's OEM politics.
 
Totenblume said:
Games will run like shit.
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It's a god damn phone. Sure its nice to play angry birds, etc etc whatever it is that people play. If you are looking for high end portable gaming, you're likely getting a PSP Vita or something of that nature. I'm not excusing their choice in CPU/GPU but for a phone itself, it does it's job and then some.
 
Term-X said:
It's a god damn phone. Sure its nice to play angry birds, etc etc whatever it is that people play. If you are looking for high end portable gaming, you're likely getting a PSP Vita or something of that nature. I'm not excusing their choice in CPU/GPU but for a phone itself, it does it's job and then some.
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Indeed. I'll guarantee it'll play any game on Android well enough for the next two years. But that's hardly a priority for my next phone, so I'm not that worried about it.
 
Totenblume said:
The only reason they're using this gpu is because
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it's a system on a chip? ;) And Apple made a well positioned move that trumped everyone else in the industry while currently providing little advantage except for impressive benchmarks?
 
Totenblume said:
There, you just said it. Slower than Mali-400 that's on a phone announced/released in Q1. Marginal differences that no one would really notice under similar conditions, except you have way more pixels to drive in the Nexus Prime. Games will run like shit.

The only reason they're using this gpu is because TI has nothing better until OMAP4470 - and that gpu isn't all that amazing either. And what reason do we have for TI's OMAP? Oh right, Google's OEM politics.
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What a ridiculous set of statements.

Slower than Mali-400 in most benchmarks just because Mali-400 sacrifices triangle processing power for fill rate performance, and since most Android games right now do not use high polygon counts, that's why the SGX540 falls behind. Also, a correction to your statement: the Samsung Galaxy S II containing the Mali-400 MP4 was not released in Q1. The Samsung Galaxy S II was officially launched in Asia at the end of June, and several months later arrived in the US.

Lets take a look at these benchmarks for a better understanding of the performance of the SGX540: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4686/samsung-galaxy-s-2-international-review-the-best-redefined/17. Lets focus on the GLBenchmark 2.1 tests as they're all run at 720p (the resolution the Galaxy Nexus runs at) and there's no variation of resolution between devices like there is in the GLBenchmark 2.0 tests further down the page.

As you can see, the 304 MHz SGX540 in the OMAP4430 consistently beats the Mali-400 MP4 in triangle tests. It still manages a strong second in fill rate, above the Adreno 220 and the NVIDIA ULP GeForce. In gaming benchmarks, it also tends to outperform the Qualcomm and NVIDIA GPUs.

Now factor in the fact that the SGX540 in the OMAP4460 that the Galaxy Nexus uses is clocked 26% higher at 384 MHz, and the fact is simply that on the Galaxy Nexus, "Games will run like shit," is just an incorrect statement. In fact, we're better off with the SGX540 than we'd be if the SoC was from Qualcomm or NVIDIA.

And lastly, regarding your statement about Google's "OEM politics" you're simply wrong. Google is moving Android from one ARM manufacturer's platform to another in an effort to optimize Android for everyone. This benefits consumers. It also means that when it comes time to use a SoC from a processor licensee like TI or Samsung, the simple fact is that you won't be getting a fancy customized SoC like you would from architecture licensees like Qualcomm, or NVIDIA (and remember, Apple is an architecture licensee as well).

TL; DR - The "old" SGX540 in the Galaxy Nexus is faster than what Qualcomm or NVIDIA has to offer right now, and both of those companies develop their own GPUs. The SGX543MP2 in the iPhone 4S is actually just as old (it's a tweaked SGX540 in a dual-core configuration) and it's dominating the market.

Seriously people, stop crying about model numbers and get a grip on reality.
 
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Term-X said:
It's a god damn phone. Sure its nice to play angry birds, etc etc whatever it is that people play. If you are looking for high end portable gaming, you're likely getting a PSP Vita or something of that nature. I'm not excusing their choice in CPU/GPU but for a phone itself, it does it's job and then some.
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I carry my phone everywhere. Even if I owned a Vita, it wouldn't be in my pocket 24/7. That's why gaming on these devices matters and why Nintendo and Sony are going to keep bleeding market share in mobile gaming (trying to sell $40 mobile games isn't helping either).
 
Electrofreak said:
TL; DR - The "old" SGX540 in the Galaxy Nexus is faster than what Qualcomm or NVIDIA has to offer right now, and both of those companies develop their own GPUs. The SGX543MP2 in the iPhone 4S is actually just as old (it's a tweaked SGX540 in a dual-core configuration) and it's dominating the market.
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This is how I understood it as well, the 4S has two SGX540s in a dual core configuration.

Also, the SGX543MP2 in the 4S is only clocked at 200MHz.

This brings up the age-old question. Would you rather have a single chip at 400MHz, or dual chips at 200MHz? While it's 384 instead of 400, I believe the same logic applies.

I would choose the 400MHz, assuming the architecture scales with clock speed.
 
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