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Team Obi Juan said:
Yep, I love listening to my Panzer every day.
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Hitler started a technology race in Germany that brought new technologies to the world, and brought Germany out of a tremendous depression. The first ever magnetic tape recording was of Hitler's speech thanks to Nazi party investments, and particularly in aeronautics and rocketry he led great and magical innovation. Bet you there are people on the forum driving Volkswagens today, a concept brought to life by Hitler himself who personally drew the outline and oversaw production of the iconic Beetle.

Point is simple, you can achieve a lot and still be a total tyrannical asshole.
 
Omophorus said:
I have a funny feeling there wouldn't be a 300+ post RIP thread (of mostly sincere people) had Bill Gates died.
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Honestly, I'm not sure you're right with that, I think it'd be huge. To lose someone who has done so much good for the world as a whole would be a truly sad day and I have to be honest, I'd probably be way more sad to lose Bill Gates than Steve Jobs.
 
Skiz86 said:
I hate this forum more and more every day. You all are pussies for fighting over something so stupid. Say your prayers and just ignore the negativity. Is it that fucking hard? Tired of hearing all you crying sissies!


Rip Steve jobs!

Peace im out!
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Judgment of opinion, to be completely accurate, needs to be based on an infinite sample size. [H] has good diversity of opinion. Take it all in and make the decision yourself - hatred just sucks the big one :)
 
Ducman69 said:
Hitler started a technology race in Germany that brought new technologies to the world, and brought Germany out of a tremendous depression. The first ever magnetic tape recording was of Hitler's speech thanks to Nazi party investments, and particularly in aeronautics and rocketry he led great and magical innovation. Bet you there are people on the forum driving Volkswagens today, a concept brought to life by Hitler himself who personally drew the outline and oversaw production of the iconic Beetle.

Point is simple, you can achieve a lot and still be a total tyrannical asshole.
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Hitler was a Time Man of the Year, something that would have never be the case today. One's impact on the world has little to do with their morality or politics. Power is amoral.
 
Ducman69 said:
So you would allow your daughter to literally be living on welfare while you lived in opulence, and refuse to even pay child support until you were court ordered?
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He had Lisa when he was 23 and denied paternity for two years. So other than the fact I don't normally go around holding grudges about things that happened thirty years ago, I did enough deplorable things in my mid-twenties that I don't hold things against them that they did decades ago because I'm not the same person I was over twenty years ago (and incidentally when young males' brains are still in development).
 
Usquabach said:
I wonder how many people Jobs killed by hurling iPhones and iPads at them with great speed and accuracy :rolleyes: really?? dude??
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You missed the point entirely. No one is saying Steve Jobs equals Hitler. Just the fact that if you only look at their positive accomplishments, the lists are pretty damn similar. The same could be said of just about anyone. It's just an interesting thought exercise to point out that when you only look at the positives, just about anyone who ever had a little power can be made to look like some saint or savior of mankind.
 
Boomstick said:
Where is your bleeding heart for those he screwed/possibly screwed because he bought himself a new liver.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2011/01/how_did_steve_jobs_get_his_liver.html

So when I say screw Steve Jobs, it's for good reason.
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Kaitian said:
I'm on the side of "Not sure what to feel." Ya he was important but he was also ruthless.
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From the article:

"Legally, you're allowed to get on multiple waiting lists around the country."

They then go on to call that "gaming the system".

I don't know anything about Steve Jobs and have never bought an Apple product because they're way too expensive. But being an accountant-in-study, I've become particularly aware of "charged" words in articles. For example, if it's possible to legally take a deduction despite the fact that it may only be available to a select few people, it's suddenly a "loophole". It's not a loophole. It's the frickin' law. If you don't like it, change the law.

Same thing goes for this article. If people don't like the fact you can be on multiple waiting lists, change the law that allows it. Otherwise stfu.
 
Hope this isn't out of line but sitting here in front of my PC as many of you are I couldn't help thinking of the irony that we reached the post-Steve Jobs era long before we reached the post-PC era.
 
NKDietrich said:
You missed the point entirely. No one is saying Steve Jobs equals Hitler. Just the fact that if you only look at their positive accomplishments, the lists are pretty damn similar. The same could be said of just about anyone. It's just an interesting thought exercise to point out that when you only look at the positives, just about anyone who ever had a little power can be made to look like some saint or savior of mankind.
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TBH I've never owned an apple product in my life, but no matter how you slice it, I don't see any way to justify comparing jobs and hitler in the same sentence. Why not jobs vs ghandi vs gates vs mlk vs hitler vs stalin...can we at least try to use some perspective here. I'm sure someone will disagree but again IMHO I think you are just using a sour grapes argument.
 
I just saw this for the first time. While I don't like many of the things he did, it's a truth that he did more to advance computer technology than almost anyone else alive outside of Woz and Gates himself. Whatever else he did, he left the world a better place.
 
heatlesssun said:
Hope this isn't out of line but sitting here in front of my PC as many of you are I couldn't help thinking of the irony that we reached the post-Steve Jobs era long before we reached the post-PC era.
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I'm on a touchpad
 
Regardless of his faults, he did spur the home computer market, the portable mp3 player market, and really cool ideas for the phone market (well prior to iPhone 4 anyway). The man was seriously flawed in many ways, but he was good at getting what he strived for.

We will see who else will step up and push the market in new directions. For the next decade?
 
Fuck Yes I hate that fucking loser and his crap products.

Innovative my ass he copied star trek and the data pad on that show for the fucking ipad and the tablet pc has been in fucking devolpment hell for years before the fucking ipad by just about everybody.

and the fucking iphone is nothing but a gloryfied palm pilot PDA with a fucking cell phone and cell internet stuff in it. I fucking thought of that crap years ago when i wished my fucking PDA had the fucking internet and phone on it and the thing fucking played mp3's and this was 1999. all he did was wait for the fucking cell phone makers to make hardware small enough to stuff into a fucking pda and capcitive touch screens then shipped then out glued togeather.

I can fucking point and tell a group of yes men to go and make that.


the last time this fucker innovated was like 1982 with the and even then he just bought out some tech people already did before since they was doing mouse prototyping before and then he keeps getting like the real groundbraking MIT students work and crap he thinks looks cool then stuffs it into shiny white plastic for his army of clueless losers to buy and he gets hailed as the fucking second coming of christ in the tech world.

He takes the stuff he sees on sci fi TV and then tells a bunch of hardware dudes to go make it like that and buys any prototype tech he can buy that looks like it.


good riddance the world is a better place witth his guy gone just like bin laden there will be less crap tech products for the world to buy he is as evil as the devil himself .
 
Usquabach said:
TBH I've never owned an apple product in my life, but no matter how you slice it, I don't see any way to justify comparing jobs and hitler in the same sentence. Why not jobs vs ghandi vs gates vs mlk vs hitler vs stalin...can we at least try to use some perspective here. I'm sure someone will disagree but again IMHO I think you are just using a sour grapes argument.
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I'm not offering an argument. Just an observation that only recognizing the positives of a persons life does not tell the whole story. You seem to agree with me, so I'm not sure why you're trying to argue.

People ought to be measured by everything they've done, not just the good or the bad. If all we look at is the good, then Hitler and Jobs ARE the same. Since that is not correct, it indicates that way of thinking is flawed and that we do ourselves and the deceased a disservice by kissing their asses.
 
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/_...oryalpha/en/images/0/0a/Hansens_final_log.jpg

Real fucking innovatve jobs I wanted a fucking data pad too back in the 90's I could have pointed and told people to fucking make stuff like that too the credit should go to the writers of all this sci fi TV you have been stealing ideas from.


Hansens_final_log.jpg
 
NKDietrich said:
People ought to be measured by everything they've done, not just the good or the bad.
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I'd certainly agree - it's just that particular comparison seems to "grind my gears." Hitler was a pretty bad dude compared to even some of the worst CEOs!

Now if I tried to compare Mr Jobs to Mr Buffet I would say the Oracle of Omaha beats him in CSR by a long shot, but Buffet is alive and I have a tough time disparaging the dead at 56yo even if I didn't like their complete history or their products ;)

in essence I think we are on the same page though
 
Oldie said:
I just saw this for the first time. While I don't like many of the things he did, it's a truth that he did more to advance computer technology than almost anyone else alive outside of Woz and Gates himself. Whatever else he did, he left the world a better place.
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Please explain?

what i see is he took existing tech and put it in a purdy aluminum body or plastic case and charged a fortune for it...
 
I'm still in denial. Can't believe he's gone. Rest in peace, Steve.


Boomstick said:
How much trouble will I get in here if I say what I really want to say about that jerk.

I'm glad he got to live a bit longer because he bought his way to the top of a donor list and others' suffered because of it.
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Wow, stay classy.
 
Lets sum things up here...

Not only did he give shit all to better the world with his absurd amount of money he actually was responsible for shutting down charity contributions from Apple as a company. I dont care what your personal opinions are on charity when you're that loaded you can make a massive difference and notice nothing in your income. Hell just fork over 2% of the interest he collects and he could change hundreds of lives...

He used his money and power to move ahead in the lists for an organ which may very well have cost someone a full long life all for a few months added to his.

As a businessman he used nothing but shady tactics and downright dirty lawsuits to try and stop any sort of real competition.

He had this attitude that you will get what i want you to have and like it towards his consumer base showing he had no respect at all for said consumer base.

As an "innovator" all he really did was take existing ideas and market them as new and revolutionary to the iSheep.

I am so sick of this disgusting mentality in this generation... Princess Dianna a woman who brought nothing to this world but paparazzi press dies and everyone is distraught and cant believe it. Mother Teresa, a woman who dedicated her entire life to helping others dies and nobody notices.

When a bad man dies you dont mourn you celebrate... Some of you in this thread absolutely disgust me. In 10 years people will get over the iCrazy and see him for what he was, an asshole that had a fantastic marketing team.
 
MrGuvernment said:
Please explain?

what i see is he took existing tech and put it in a purdy aluminum body or plastic case and charged a fortune for it...
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That is what apples and jobs loves to do Troll for proto type tech at places like MIT, or take Tech people have been working on wait until they make it small enough to stuff into Shiny white dumb as super models cases and then wait as the cluless people in the tech world sings and gives them praise. (or the people who don't know jack about PC's or tech.)

or he just steals it has his apple dude do stuff to it and takes all the credit for it.

like this new metal they bought, or any other number of stuff the real innovators has made and then glues it on there products.
http://gizmodo.com/5614154/giz-explains-what-is-liquidmetal

Steve jobs "dude I think our crap should totaly be tuff like the T-1000 from t2 judgement day"

Apple dude" well there is some dudes who made this stuff that is really tuff and kinda like liquid metal and they are a small company now.

Steve jobs:"Awsome by that crap and glue it on to all our shiny plastic white cases and say i invented it and make sure CNN knows it too so they can tell the clueless computer people how awsome I am and make.....Oh yes and I am cutting your pay."


I mean god You should see what the fucking apple hipsters at 1up.com giantbomb and Twit are saying about the fucking guy you would think he cured cancer.
 
Boomstick, Ruoh, and others who believe he bought a liver that he shouldn't have gotten:

UNOS decides who gets using MELD for ages 18+ and PELD for children under 18. MELD is:

"This system is based on the risk or probability of death within 3 months if the patient does not receive a transplant. The MELD score is calculated based only on laboratory data in order to be as objective as possible. The laboratory values used are a patient's creatinine, bilirubin, and international normalized ratio, or INR (a measure of blood-clotting time). A patient's score can range from 6 to 40. In the event of a liver becoming available to 2 patients with the same MELD score and blood type, time on the waiting list becomes the deciding factor."

http://www.emedicinehealth.com/liver_transplant/article_em.htm

Please note that MELD only reverts to time on the waiting list when they have candidates who are equally sick; MELD is about allocating transplants based on severity of need. Also please note that kids are on a different list than adults.

UNOS is so objective that many people are angry that those suffering from alcoholic cirrhosis get liver transplants.

The assumption that those of you who are disrespecting UNOS are making is that money will move you up that list. It does not. More money will let you join more lists, some of which may be shorter than others. This is not against the rules, you would do it if you had the money to do it, and whining about someone who had the money to do it is jealousy, plain and simple.

My objection is not what you think about Steve Jobs. My objection is that you believe either that you know better who should get a transplant than UNOS does or that it is corrupt. You are wrong on both counts.

If you believe that someone who doesn't need a liver transplant can get one under the UNOS system, you are deluded. If you believe that Steve Jobs was not near death when he got his liver transplant, you are deluded.
 
evilsofa said:
Boomstick, Ruoh, and others who believe he bought a liver that he shouldn't have gotten:

UNOS decides who gets using MELD for ages 18+ and PELD for children under 18. MELD is:

"This system is based on the risk or probability of death within 3 months if the patient does not receive a transplant. The MELD score is calculated based only on laboratory data in order to be as objective as possible. The laboratory values used are a patient's creatinine, bilirubin, and international normalized ratio, or INR (a measure of blood-clotting time). A patient's score can range from 6 to 40. In the event of a liver becoming available to 2 patients with the same MELD score and blood type, time on the waiting list becomes the deciding factor."

http://www.emedicinehealth.com/liver_transplant/article_em.htm

Please note that MELD only reverts to time on the waiting list when they have candidates who are equally sick; MELD is about allocating transplants based on severity of need. Also please note that kids are on a different list than adults.

UNOS is so objective that many people are angry that those suffering from alcoholic cirrhosis get liver transplants.

The assumption that those of you who are disrespecting UNOS are making is that money will move you up that list. It does not. More money will let you join more lists, some of which may be shorter than others. This is not against the rules, you would do it if you had the money to do it, and whining about someone who had the money to do it is jealousy, plain and simple.

My objection is not what you think about Steve Jobs. My objection is that you believe either that you know better who should get a transplant than UNOS does or that it is corrupt. You are wrong on both counts.

If you believe that someone who doesn't need a liver transplant can get one under the UNOS system, you are deluded. If you believe that Steve Jobs was not near death when he got his liver transplant, you are deluded.
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Yeah the list is massive and he got it in months...

He didnt buy his way ahead of people that had been waiting for a long time right. :rolleyes:
 
Disposed said:
I am so sick of this disgusting mentality in this generation... Princess Dianna a woman who brought nothing to this world but paparazzi press dies and everyone is distraught and cant believe it. Mother Teresa, a woman who dedicated her entire life to helping others dies and nobody notices.
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Even if you never gain a better understanding of history, hopefully you'll gain *Perspective*
 
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