Consoles Have Just Become Sh**** PCs....

I have to agree with the article. All the hassle but none of the rewards that come with PC gaming. Quite true when you get down to it.
 
And the funny thing is.. In the long run you will have spent more $ on a console then on a nice PC. All the accessories, monthly fee, games costing more. After 5 years it adds up.
 
But consoles are more comfortable.... oh wait... they aren't? controller HDTV and couch on PC?
 
I'm not sure if that's true or not. I guess it would depend on your PC and what you buy for consoles. Even if I bought 4 controllers, the console, and paid $12 or so a month for XBOX Live! it would still be cheaper than my PC and monitors by a large margin. Even factoring a couple grand for a really nice TV wouldn't offset the cost of the PC vs. the console. If I bought a sub-$1,000 PC and kept it for five years then yeah, you'd probably be right.

As for the games there are $60 games on both PC's and consoles. Though PC games are often cheaper than that, you can shop around and get used games for consoles as well. I don't think that's a fair comparison. Even if you assumed all your PC games were $49.99 and all your XBOX 360 or PS3 games were $59.99, you'd need to buy a crap ton of games for the price to add up enough to offset the cost of a PC.
 
Dan_D said:
I'm not sure if that's true or not. I guess it would depend on your PC and what you buy for consoles. Even if I bought 4 controllers, the console, and paid $12 or so a month for XBOX Live! it would still be cheaper than my PC and monitors by a large margin. Even factoring a couple grand for a really nice TV wouldn't offset the cost of the PC vs. the console. If I bought a sub-$1,000 PC and kept it for five years then yeah, you'd probably be right.

As for the games there are $60 games on both PC's and consoles. Though PC games are often cheaper than that, you can shop around and get used games for consoles as well. I don't think that's a fair comparison. Even if you assumed all your PC games were $49.99 and all your XBOX 360 or PS3 games were $59.99, you'd need to buy a crap ton of games for the price to add up enough to offset the cost of a PC.
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Your PC is more than enough for games. Keep in mind if you could OC your console, add more ram, get a new video cards... you would. Most people can use a ~$1000 PC and get great framerates in 99.99% of games, which would be cheaper than a nice TV. You can't really compare your rig to a console.
 
LeninGHOLA said:
Your PC is more than enough for games. Keep in mind if you could OC your console, add more ram, get a new video cards... you would. Most people can use a ~$1000 PC and get great framerates in 99.99% of games, which would be cheaper than a nice TV. You can't really compare your rig to a console.
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This is dumb. How many people out there do not have a TV?
 
I think that consoles and PC's serve different purposes for different people.

For example, one of you might have a 360 or PS3 and use their respective online services . . .

Me? I have a PS3 and I don't have mine connected to the Internet, I use it solely for single player gaming.

I do all my multiplayer gaming on the PC.

That said, haven't consoles always been "shitty PC's"? They are usually made with outdated PC parts and were outdated the moment they were made.

I don't think cost comparisons are very useful either, seeing as most of todays games don't require you to own a $3,000 PC to run them decently on a mainstream 1920x1080 monitor, in fact, I think the average [H]'er probably has a rig that costs less than half of that and probably has no real plans to upgrade until the average PC game requires it.

I think that people own consoles and PC's for different reasons. Maybe some of them play their consoles online with their friends and neighbors who for whatever reason are not really PC gamers, or perhaps they are but they also enjoy console gaming.

The only real problem I have with consoles isn't the consoles or the platform itself, but on gaming companies insistence on making the PC experience more console like when the PC isn't meant to be that way.
 
well consoles are all just another type of computer made for a purpose of home entertainment.
 
Dan_D said:
As for the games there are $60 games on both PC's and consoles. Though PC games are often cheaper than that, you can shop around and get used games for consoles as well. I don't think that's a fair comparison. Even if you assumed all your PC games were $49.99 and all your XBOX 360 or PS3 games were $59.99, you'd need to buy a crap ton of games for the price to add up enough to offset the cost of a PC.
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As far as this goes, PC gamers have it much better on this front, any savvy PC gamer often sees ALL the Hot Deals we have here on [H] even for preorders and release day games, and often a month or 2 after launch, we get some absolutely killer deals.

Then there's the Steam sales, when we all make out like bandits for pennies on the dollar.

But for sure you can get console games cheap too if you're savvy, and honestly at $60 a pop, console games are not cheap, especially when you consider that I play them for a single player experience, so I try to get them as cheap as possible, the only game I'm paying full price for these days is Dark Souls, and even then cause it's a Collectors Edition for no extra charge @ $59.99 preordered off Amazon.com, otherwise I'd be content to wait to buy it.

But by and large, I try to support companies that make good games, I think that's really important regardless.
 
I feel sorry for the PC Gamers who cant let themselves enjoy Console gaming. And likewise. I have fun playing PC games on a high end rig and i enjoy playing games on my consoles as well. Dont really know why people get so pissy about either side. /shrug.
 
Some games I like better on the console. Modern Warfare games are definitely an example of this. For most games, I prefer PC though.
 
4saken said:
I feel sorry for the PC Gamers who cant let themselves enjoy Console gaming. And likewise. I have fun playing PC games on a high end rig and i enjoy playing games on my consoles as well. Dont really know why people get so pissy about either side. /shrug.
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Sums it up for me. It's just a huge tar pit of arguments. I only had a pc for years, then I got tired of being left out of a chunk of the market that included a lot of really fun console exclusives. I play what I want to play, and try to be happy with it.
 
Dion said:
And the funny thing is.. In the long run you will have spent more $ on a console then on a nice PC. All the accessories, monthly fee, games costing more. After 5 years it adds up.
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I don't have any accessories other than the game pad it came with. My gaming mouse and kb did cost over $200 though. I dont pay a monthly fee. The games do generally cost more however. But lately new PC games are $60 too, so not so much anymore.

That being said, I play my PC far more than my consoles. Probably 80/20. I still like them though. There are a handful of console games Im really excited to play. Uncharted is going to be great. A real gamer opens themselves up to both worlds. I dont play any FPS's on consoles, I hate it. But adventure games are more prevalent on the console, and just better overall, imo.

Just dont get carried away with false blanket statements.
 
darksonic said:
As a PC gamer, I'm really fucking tired of these stupid articles.
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Seriously could not agree more. Why are PC gamers so hateful towards consoles? And Vice Versa?

Games are games , however you enjoy them. Sick and fucking tired of articles constantly bitching from both sides. I love console games and PC games , I have for decades now. There is plenty to enjoy from both and yet the divide between each group seems to be growing constantly.
 
Focker said:
This is dumb. How many people out there do not have a TV?
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When the current generation of consoles came out, most purchasers did not own a HDTV.

World wide only about a quarter of households with a TV have a HDTV.
 
BladeVenom said:
When the current generation of consoles came out, most purchasers did not own a HDTV.

World wide only about a quarter of households with a TV have a HDTV.
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Correct, I did not own an HDTV in 2008 untill i bought my PS3 in October 2008, before that, there was no reason for me to purchase one.
 
Price comparisons between PCs and consoles are hard to do because you never really can calculate things 100% fairly. In the case of consoles, not you can't necessarily take the TV in to account as some people had a nice HDTV. But then in other cases people bought a TV, or at least a better one, because of consoles.

Same deal with computers. Most people own a computer anyhow, but generally they spend more to get it up to gaming quality. How much more depends a lot on the individual.

Either one can be fairly cheap or expensive. You can play simple casual games on a regular office type PC with integrated graphics, the likes of which people probably have for other reasons. You can also easily spend thousands a year (as many of us do). Likewise you can get a console for a couple hundred bucks and use whatever TV and so on you have laying around, or you can get a bigass HDTV and surround sound system for it.

Doesn't really matter. The issue really isn't price. It is more what kind of gaming experience you want. The author has a very valid point: One of the things about consoles used to be grab and go. I remember the biggest gap in the SNES days. For the SNES you hooked it to the TV, put in a cart, and turned it on. That was all. The computer though, oh man. That was during the DOS days and for some games you'd have to have their own special case in the CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEX.BAT files because of the memory they'd need or shit they'd need loaded. Console gaming was simple, PC gaming was complex.

At this point, it seems consoles are walking the PC route in many ways. No they aren't as complex, but they are a hell of a lot more complex than they used to be. On the flip side PCs have gotten a good deal easier. They still can be a pain, but they aren't too bad.
 
somewhat agree, but it's still about the games and there are plenty of good console exclusive games out there
 
IMO, sports games are much more fun to play on consoles (considering many of them are console only anyway). I'm going to try getting an XBox 360 controller, hooking my PC up to my TV and playing MLB 2K 11, but I'm not optimistic (that and The Show is better :( )
 
Dan_D said:
I'm not sure if that's true or not. I guess it would depend on your PC and what you buy for consoles. Even if I bought 4 controllers, the console, and paid $12 or so a month for XBOX Live! it would still be cheaper than my PC and monitors by a large margin. Even factoring a couple grand for a really nice TV wouldn't offset the cost of the PC vs. the console. If I bought a sub-$1,000 PC and kept it for five years then yeah, you'd probably be right.

As for the games there are $60 games on both PC's and consoles. Though PC games are often cheaper than that, you can shop around and get used games for consoles as well. I don't think that's a fair comparison. Even if you assumed all your PC games were $49.99 and all your XBOX 360 or PS3 games were $59.99, you'd need to buy a crap ton of games for the price to add up enough to offset the cost of a PC.
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The only problem I see in your comparison is that your PC setup actually offers a gaming experience that is light years better than the console thanks to the 3x monitor setup. :D

Can't do those multiple monitor eyefinity/surround thing on the consoles. And of course, nothing comes free. One have to pay to enjoy such gaming experience that cannot be done on a console system.
 
Hornet said:
The only problem I see in your comparison is that your PC setup actually offers a gaming experience that is light years better than the console thanks to the 3x monitor setup. :D

Can't do those multiple monitor eyefinity/surround thing on the consoles. And of course, nothing comes free. One have to pay to enjoy such gaming experience that cannot be done on a console system.
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While what you're saying is true, there's no question when it comes to your PC experience, you get exactly what you pay for.
 
Look people its very simple. My PS3 40 gig is worth about $150 on a good day now. I have it hooked up on my bedroom tv and I can play NHL 12, drakes uncharted, god of war, etc, etc, bluray, netflix or surf the web while the wife reads. $150 with no mess, no hassle. Now I love my triple dell U2410, 980x eyefinity setup, but I don't want it in my bedroom and for $150 you can't match the value of the PS3.

Did I mention you can't get NHL 12 on the pc. Yea, so to each their own, but the console compliments a pc very niceley
 
l88bastard said:
Look people its very simple. My PS3 40 gig is worth about $150 on a good day now. I have it hooked up on my bedroom tv and I can play NHL 12, drakes uncharted, god of war, etc, etc, bluray, netflix or surf the web while the wife reads. $150 with no mess, no hassle. Now I love my triple dell U2410, 980x eyefinity setup, but I don't want it in my bedroom and for $150 you can't match the value of the PS3.

Did I mention you can't get NHL 12 on the pc. Yea, so to each their own, but the console compliments a pc very niceley
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This^ pretty much. And I'm a 360 fanboy.
 
Dan_D said:
I'm not sure if that's true or not. I guess it would depend on your PC and what you buy for consoles. Even if I bought 4 controllers, the console, and paid $12 or so a month for XBOX Live! it would still be cheaper than my PC and monitors by a large margin. Even factoring a couple grand for a really nice TV wouldn't offset the cost of the PC vs. the console. If I bought a sub-$1,000 PC and kept it for five years then yeah, you'd probably be right.

As for the games there are $60 games on both PC's and consoles. Though PC games are often cheaper than that, you can shop around and get used games for consoles as well. I don't think that's a fair comparison. Even if you assumed all your PC games were $49.99 and all your XBOX 360 or PS3 games were $59.99, you'd need to buy a crap ton of games for the price to add up enough to offset the cost of a PC.
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the other benefit is that pc games typically go on sale much sooner than consoles.. i mean hell i'm still seeing console versions of games going for 60 bucks while the pc versions already dropped below 20 months ago.
 
I realized what was in the article in 2008. 3 RRODs, $50/yr XBL bill, same games every year or two years etc.

If I'm going to have issues, I want the ability to solve them myself and enjoy the rewards i.e. cheaper games, customization, better visuals and controls etc. PC gaming has given me that.
 
For me new pc games are expensive and no resale value.

I get my new console games for $5 at amazon

New $60. $20 promo credit. Sell back to amazon for $35. Rinse repeat.

Hate spending more than $5 in preorders......
 
Stupac said:
For me new pc games are expensive and no resale value.

I get my new console games for $5 at amazon

New $60. $20 promo credit. Sell back to amazon for $35. Rinse repeat.

Hate spending more than $5 in preorders......
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What if you ever want to play them again?
 
Stupac said:
For me new pc games are expensive and no resale value.

I get my new console games for $5 at amazon

New $60. $20 promo credit. Sell back to amazon for $35. Rinse repeat.

Hate spending more than $5 in preorders......
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I guess resale is one good thing about console games at the moment.

But it would surprise me if the companies do nothing about this in the near future. They do not hide the fact that they dislike 2nd hand sales. Whether or not it affects the company profit is a different discussion, but at least the companies do believe that it does, so I think they'll definitely do something about this in the next gen console or something.
 
samduhman said:
Not my words but I agree. :D I realized this a couple years ago when I was having network issues with my PS3. My consoles gather dust now except for Blue Ray movies.

http://www.gamefront.com/consoles-have-just-become-shtty-pcs/
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I agree completely.

I always accepted console fanboys arguments for a lot of the benefits of console, until I got my own PS3 slim a few months ago (I felt that having a new 122" projector screen was an injustice without a least 1 console and I'll be buggered if I'm getting a 360), anyway the arguments for things like "put in the disc and play", and "no crashes" are simply not true.

I reguarly have to patch the PS3, I don't play a lot, in fact It would be fair to say I play in "stints" where I play for about a week constantly then leave it for a few weeks and come back. Almost every time I've come back to play it, one of my games has needed updating or the system software has.

That's an unnecessarily long process, the install seems slow as hell but the download is also really bad, now I have a 50mbit internet connection, I can download at about 6MB/sec at peak, which means a 500mb LBP2 update last night should have taken no more than 1m 30s, but I was there for a good 15-20 minutes waiting just for the download, no it's not my connection I blaze 6MB/sec on everything It's very reliable.

I don't mind installing content, in the long run it makes sense but it seems very slow to me, especially system updates which are smaller take quite a long time.

And crashes, unfortunately the system has crashed a few times, Army of 2 was the one that sticks in my mind, I had my friend over to play games and we had it freeze on us.

So yeah...consoles are starting to suffer the same problems as PCs, they have to really, as gaming gets more complex even with a closed platform you're still going to have issues, so the reasons for actually owning a console are starting to drop off, now the playing field is more even on the negative aspects of gaming the positive aspects (like modding, better controls, better graphics) are starting to stand out more.
 
Partly agree, but this is a pro PC gamer's opinion.

PC gamers generally speaking are more picky, just look at Battlefield forum. 'DICE I need comm rose', 'DICE rush is boring', 'DICE why I can't lean?'， ‘DICE we want conquest in beta'.
console gamers are mostly brainless: 'just give me the goddamn game'.

PC gamers are also extremely unforgiven, just look at sales of crysis 2 on PC. They did mess up the multiplayer, but it is still a decent game.

BTW, Resistence 3 is not a good game. If you use Gears 3 or Uncharted 3 as example, I will be more convinced.
 
I gave up on PC gaming completely about 5 years ago. It just stopped being worth the cost. Priorities changed after my mid 20s. Most of my friends are married and have kids. Spending money on a "gaming PC" just isn't going to happen. Sure, many of them still game, but it needs to be something that the wife and kids can use as well. The average age of a gamer is in their upper 30s. It is much easier to spend money on a PS3 that the wife and kids can also watch Blu-ray movies on vs a new video card. If all of my friends are on Xbox Live or PSN, then that is where I am going as well.

Personally, there hasn't been a PC exclusive game that I had to have for the past 7-8 years, but every holiday season there is at least 1 console exclusive that I have to have. I am perfectly fine with not having the best graphics around. Since about 30%-40% of the games I play are console exclusives and all the rest are multi-platform putting a gaming PC in my living room just represents an huge extra cost. I'm at the point where I am just using the on board Intel graphics on all my machines.

I just don't get why people get so butt hurt over PCs vs consoles. Use whatever the hell you want. I've been gaming for 26 years and the argument has been the same for as long as I can remember. Same shit different decade.
 
Maintaining a PC isn't easy even though most people here would think it is. Just as with walled garden PCs called Macs, there's plenty of room for walled garden gaming PCs=consoles for the less technical or demanding people.
 
I play both Console and PC. A console is really just a gimped PC that can't put out like its big brother. Both machines are computers. Play on a console and you sacrifice graphics, performance, and in my opinion, controls. If a game comes out for both platforms I will generally choose PC. But there are some great console exclusives, some of the best video gaming available. I'll play my console for those.

But you do need some computer savvy to game on a PC, both hardware and software. You need basic PC skills to trouble shoot problems that are going to pop up. You can't be totally ignorant and game successfully on PC.
 
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